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1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/9/2007 5:48:02 PM   
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Misdiagnosis has led to massive over-prescribing of drugs - BMJ study

Thousands of people have been wrongly told they are in danger of developing life-threatening heart diseases because of flaws in the way doctors routinely calculate the risk, according to a study of more than a million people published today.Current estimates of the number at risk of cardiovascular diseases are 1.5 million too high, the report says, suggesting the anti-cholesterol drugs statins are massively and needlessly over-prescribed, inflating the £2bn annual bill to the NHS.

http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/news/0,,2120107,00.html

The part that made me choke:

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The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence published recommendations last week that all people over 40 should be considered for statins


Nasty pill-pushers.........

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/9/2007 5:51:11 PM   
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i knew it!!!  (tosses pills in the toilet)
dancing a jig,,,,wooo hooo ,,,im absolutely health.........THUD!

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/9/2007 5:51:50 PM   
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uwince, what are you trying to say?  

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/9/2007 6:16:03 PM   
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uwince, what are you trying to say?  


I'm fairly confident, what he was trying to say was....

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/9/2007 6:20:04 PM   
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uwince, what are you trying to say?  


I'm fairly confident, what he was trying to say was....

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Ahhhhh, yes.
 
I've noticed his recent posts have had a moderating effect......
 
Just messing with you, uwince lol.

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/9/2007 6:56:20 PM   
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ohhhh, real nice,,make fun of teh guy who just had a heart attack :(  lol

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/9/2007 7:36:01 PM   
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Uwince, stop that!

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/9/2007 7:46:42 PM   
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those pills are expensive too, Sir

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/9/2007 8:17:45 PM   
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The part that made me choke:

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The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence published recommendations last week that all people over 40 should be considered for statins


Nasty pill-pushers.........


Every time I go to the Dr. lately they try to push that shit on me. I find that odd seeing as my cholesterol is at the low end of normal limits.

Those drugs are really hard on the liver and kidneys. Somehow I can not see the logic in sacrificing one organ that I can't live without in order to save another. I don't know, maybe I'm weird....but even if my cholesterol was higher I wouldn't take that shit.

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/9/2007 8:30:00 PM   
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There is a crowd out there who thinks your cholesterol should be around 200 for optimal health.

Of course whoever has more money gets to say who is right and who is wrong. Oh well.

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/10/2007 3:47:41 AM   
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uwince:

ohhhh, real nice,,make fun of teh guy who just had a heart attack :(  lol


 I hope you're healing well, if you're serious.

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erin:

Every time I go to the Dr. lately they try to push that shit on me. I find that odd seeing as my cholesterol is at the low end of normal limits.

Those drugs are really hard on the liver and kidneys. Somehow I can not see the logic in sacrificing one organ that I can't live without in order to save another. I don't know, maybe I'm weird....but even if my cholesterol was higher I wouldn't take that shit.


There is a growing number of doctors and scientists that are changing the way they think on choleterol, and on statins.

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In a recent issue of the medical journal, Lancet, John Abramson, MD, Harvard Medical School, and James Wright, MD, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, co-authored a commentary entitled, “Are Lipid-Lowering Guidelines Evidence-Based?” They conducted an analysis of all the major trials in which participants were randomly assigned to take either a statin or a placebo. The seven trials that included adults between 30 and 80 years old who already have heart disease clearly showed that statins lower the risk of a cardiac death as well as a death from any cause.



However, their analysis of the other trials that included healthy but high-risk people without heart disease showed that statins should not be prescribed to women of any age who do not have heart disease or diabetes, or to men older than 69 years who do not have heart disease or diabetes because no benefit was shown for them.



There is a modest benefit for men aged 30-69 years who are at high risk of developing heart disease. Out of 50 high-risk men taking a statin every day for five years, only one avoids a “cardiac event” —that is, a heart attack or heart-related death. Put another way, out of every 50 men who stay on statins for five years, 49 risk an adverse drug reaction for no benefit. “In our experience,” wrote Drs. Abramson and Wright, “many men presented with this evidence do not choose to take a statin, especially when informed of the potential benefits of lifestyle modification on cardiovascular risk and overall benefit health.”


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Simply eating a Mediterranean-style diet is nearly three times more effective at preventing recurrent heart disease and death in post-heart attack patients than is taking a statin. Even more surprising, those on the Mediterranean-style diet did not have lower cholesterol than those eating the standard post-heart attack diet. So when your doctor tells you to get your cholesterol down…keep that in mind.


http://www.medicalconsumers.org/pages/statinsandthemediterraneandiet.htm

More links for those interested:

A review of studies re: fat, diet, and cholesterol

http://www.spacedoc.net

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=1726

And there are lots more.
 
I took a statin for almost a month, and my muscles ached like you wouldn't believe; it took nearly 5 months to reverse that.

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/10/2007 7:06:41 AM   
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level,
i am never serious my friend...   refer to post #2

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RE: 1.5 million wrongly told they have heart disease - 7/10/2007 7:11:49 AM   
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statistically you will die of a heart atttack.

my dr has ekgs galore on me.......

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