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better poster - 6/18/2005 2:09:19 PM

kisshou

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I struggle to put thoughts and feelings into words. I am asking for tips, guidelines, rules of thumb to make my forum posts better.

I already know use good grammer and spelling. Even just posting this I am struggling, should I write out specifics or just leave it this general.

Any and all advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

PS. Am I the only one who feels this way?

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RE: better poster - 6/18/2005 3:29:42 PM

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I think your posts are great, kisshou, and give a lot of food for thought and discussion. I struggle in that it is difficult for me to come up with original topics. I can respond with thoughts, impressions and feelings to others, but we are very private, so I have this natural inhibition about posting things that are personal to me (us).

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RE: better poster - 6/18/2005 4:46:49 PM

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your posts are just fine, kisshou. Don't worry about it.
I, on the other hand, have been accused of acute hypergraphia. Guilty!
BTW, I think your avatar is very cute!

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RE: better poster - 6/18/2005 11:16:51 PM

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Kisshou......

I too think your post's are excellent and don't think you have anything to worry about.

Your reply to Pantera regarding the Florida school system was very informative and an excellent read.

As they say.....Don't sweat the small stuff!

- The Ranger

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 9:52:41 AM

happypervert

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Writing is a struggle for me too; just difficult to organize my ideas and say things the way I'd like.

so my advice is: less is more. If in doubt about posting something or it's too difficult to write, then throw it away and don't bother.

And for those of you who think I should follow my own advice, I do -- but you'd have see the stuff that has been discarded to realize that.

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 10:34:22 AM

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A good poster:

Uses excellent spelling and moderately good grammar at all times.

Uses writing style and punctuation to be as universally applicable and easy on the reader as possible (slashes, weird capitalization, ellipses all make it harder to convey thoughts)

Employs paragraph breaks

Often inserts a small bit of what they are replying to before their post to keep the reader flowing with the thoughts

Speaks to the point, not to the emotion

Rarely uses one liners like "I agree!"

Rarely uses one liners like "Stop picking on her!"

Does not complain that the thread has gone off-topic

Does not complain that people are complaining

Does not make passive aggressive comments such as "If I weren't such a nice girl I'd say something really mean here"

Makes logical points from their perspective, taking care to use specific language and being sure to read the specific language of what they are responding to.

Does not make dramatic "Im leaving the boards forever, don't try and stop me!" posts

Does not make dramatic "You're all being mean to me!" posts

Posts only when they feel they really have a point that is worth making

For the record Kisshou, I think you're easily in the top 30% of posters on this board for readability and enjoyability of posts, and that has nothing to do with agreeing or liking what you SAY.

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 12:07:58 PM

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Actually. about 90% of my posts involve put-downs and profanity.

I'd stick with that.

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 2:47:38 PM

Gauge

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

I struggle to put thoughts and feelings into words. I am asking for tips, guidelines, rules of thumb to make my forum posts better.

I already know use good grammer and spelling. Even just posting this I am struggling, should I write out specifics or just leave it this general.

Any and all advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

PS. Am I the only one who feels this way?

If you are looking to improve your writing the best thing to do is to practice, practice, practice. Start keeping a journal, something that only you will read. Concentrate on form and function and building a foundation for your thoughts. If you find yourself getting confused or think you are confusing things, walk away for a minute and then come back and read what you wrote from the perspective of the reader not the writer.

When I write, I am relaxed and focused on what it is I am trying to say. I never "fall in love" with what I wrote because I always go back and tear it apart to make things better. I figure things this way, if I can read what I have written and it makes sense to me then, more than likely, the reader will feel the same way. The "Less is More" suggestion is also good if you just want to make a point without being overly wordy.

Practice. It helps a lot.

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 2:52:59 PM

Lordandmaster

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I already know use good grammer and spelling? Are you kidding?

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ORIGINAL: kisshou

I already know use good grammer and spelling.

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 3:12:08 PM

kisshou

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I already know use good grammer and spelling? Are you kidding?

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ORIGINAL: kisshou

I already know use good grammer and spelling.

**lol** I would have gone back and edited , except that annoys me when other posters exercise that option, so I try to refrain from using it.

I already know (pause) use good grammar and spelling. This is a written form of communication, not speech.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention in that wonderful way you have. :)

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 3:29:11 PM

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As for the thread going off topic is "thread hijacking" not a big deal or a breach in etiquette?

Also how much quoting is too much quoting? Is it fair to just quote the relavant bit you are responding to?

If you do feel someone is being wrongly bashed , what should you do?

Does anyone have any views on subs or slaves responding in the Ask a Master forum?

Thank you all for the kind words and suggestions. I am hoping the other forum participants will weigh in with their thoughts and feelings.

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 6:52:59 PM

GoddessDustyGold

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

As for the thread going off topic is "thread hijacking" not a big deal or a breach in etiquette?

Some threads go way off topc. It happens. Someone (like Me, even!) might try to bring it back to point. But it is not that big a deal. Conversation flows and one topic often bring up another.

quote:

Also how much quoting is too much quoting? Is it fair to just quote the relavant bit you are responding to?

I try to snip just a portion to indicate more specifically to whom or what I am replying, but I am not consistent about it. If the post is short, I can grab the whole thing.

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If you do feel someone is being wrongly bashed , what should you do?

I do My best to be even tempered and may step into the fray. At times I can even get a little bitchy. But I try to be polite and reasonable. Even if someone else is throwing mud, I can usually find a way to make a point without throwing it back.

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Does anyone have any views on subs or slaves responding in the Ask a Master forum?

I am not there too often, but I believe I have seen replies from Dominas and subs/slaves. I know it happens all the time in the Ask A Mistress forum. I don't think anything here is closed to any particlular orientation. If you have something to add, go ahead and post!

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Thank you all for the kind words and suggestions. I am hoping the other forum participants will weigh in with their thoughts and feelings.

your welcome. *W*

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 10:07:35 PM

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quote:

As for the thread going off topic is "thread hijacking" not a big deal or a breach in etiquette?

Also how much quoting is too much quoting? Is it fair to just quote the relavant bit you are responding to?

If you do feel someone is being wrongly bashed , what should you do?

Does anyone have any views on subs or slaves responding in the Ask a Master forum?

I really haven't noticed a lot of your post's. So I cannot comment on that.
I think you should be asking the mod's your questions...since they sort of own the forums and can eliminate any of us if they so deem at any moment in time. Delete posts at whims.

However, since you are asking here.
Thread hijacking...well if you start reading most threads. There can be on average 15 people answer and never even get remotely close to what the original question was to begin with. That bother's me. I know if I ask a question on a forum I'm not asking for jokes. I'm asking because it is a real question...and I need a real response.
Although even when people do read the threads they do get off topic. I guess it doesn't matter in those cases...when at least someone responded to the first question.

Quoting...I have no views either way on it. It is nice when people do go totally off topic..at least you can pick it up and try to figure out what they are trying to say.

Bashed....what is bashing? I think this depends on the individuals. I was told a long time ago by the mods here they probably would never intervene to attempt to protect me because I could take care of myself better than anyone here. Does this still hold true? I don't know. Other's have said that over the course of my time here..so I guess it does.
If I see someone wrongly defining another and I know they cannot fight the battle themselves...I usually will jump in. For the most part I try to stay out of petty squabbles.

Responding in different forums.
A long time ago the mods told us we are here to chat. Get to know one another..education. Posting in any forum we see fit is ok. There are a couple of forums I've never even opened up, they just don't interest me. Unless someone sends me the link off collarme I'd never know certain comments were there.

So, I guess the only pet peeve I have in any of your questions is being off topic totally when a person asks a question. I try to put myself in their shoes. How would I feel?

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 10:10:49 PM

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Hijacking is in the eye of the beholder. Lots of times when a thread appears to be hijacked, you'll notice that the OP is one of the people who contributes to hijacking it. And sometimes the thread hijack is more interesting than the thread itself. The long long same-sex marriage thread from a couple of weeks ago went off topic many times, but it still was an interesting discussion. So my own attitude to hijacking is to tolerate it. If you're not interested in what someone has to say, just ignore it and move on.

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Thread hijacking...well if you start reading most threads. There can be on average 15 people answer and never even get remotely close to what the original question was to begin with. That bother's me. I know if I ask a question on a forum I'm not asking for jokes. I'm asking because it is a real question...and I need a real response.
Although even when people do read the threads they do get off topic. I guess it doesn't matter in those cases...when at least someone responded to the first question.

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 10:25:34 PM

sub4hire

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What time do you get up for work in the morning?

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 11:24:20 PM

Gauge

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

As for the thread going off topic is "thread hijacking" not a big deal or a breach in etiquette?

Also how much quoting is too much quoting? Is it fair to just quote the relavant bit you are responding to?

If you do feel someone is being wrongly bashed , what should you do?

Does anyone have any views on subs or slaves responding in the Ask a Master forum?

Thank you all for the kind words and suggestions. I am hoping the other forum participants will weigh in with their thoughts and feelings.

I was a message board monitor for an Internet provider for several years. In reading boards as with chatting or face to face discussion, things can go off-topic, they normally return to the topic eventually.

I honestly do not think there is such a thing as "too much quoting." When I respond to a topic or a person, I like to quote what it is I am responding to, it helps (in my mind) to keep the general flow of things going and eliminates confusion.

If someone is wrongly bashed, there are several things you can do: You can stand up for that person. You can nicely try to tell the offender that they are out of line, or... you can do nothing. Understanding that if you throw your hat into the ring that you are open to that same bashing. Sometimes it is best to stay out of things and let things develop on their own.

From what I have read of CM's Terms of Service agreement, it would seem that anyone is allowed to post freely in any forum they wish as long as they follow the guidelines. So, if you have something to add, go for it. Being submissive does not mean that you don't have your own opinions or that you have no right to voice them. I like to hear what submissives have to say, it can help me to be a better Dom.

If I may make a small observation, you need to relax a little. Don't get all bound up (pun intended) over your writing or what is the right or wrong thing to do. If you just go with the flow, you will learn by observing and participating.

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 11:42:09 PM

Lordandmaster

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Your message was fifteen minutes later than mine.

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

What time do you get up for work in the morning?

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RE: better poster - 6/19/2005 11:43:39 PM

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Oh! I get up for work at 6, but I hardly ever sleep!

Sorry, I was feeling the need to say something, maybe get some other people talking.......

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RE: better poster - 6/20/2005 5:47:46 AM

kisshou

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge
From what I have read of CM's Terms of Service agreement, it would seem that anyone is allowed to post freely in any forum they wish as long as they follow the guidelines. So, if you have something to add, go for it. Being submissive does not mean that you don't have your own opinions or that you have no right to voice them. I like to hear what submissives have to say, it can help me to be a better Dom.

If I may make a small observation, you need to relax a little. Don't get all bound up (pun intended) over your writing or what is the right or wrong thing to do. If you just go with the flow, you will learn by observing and participating.
Dick

I personally am not allowed to answer posts in the ask a Master or Mistress forum anymore.

I have a big smile on my face because I do need to relax. Having structure or a big bunch of rules is relaxing to me. I am a driven, overachiever whose self esteem is based on accomplishing goals.

As a slave I am struggling to find the balance between valuing myself for who I am not for just what I accomplish, and the goal of constantly improving to be found more pleasing.

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RE: better poster - 6/20/2005 6:03:56 AM

UtopianRanger

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quote:

As for the thread going off topic is "thread hijacking" not a big deal or a breach in etiquette?

I'll ride along with LAM's comments here. I've seen many times where a hijacked thread ends up being much more interesting than what started.

quote:

Also how much quoting is too much quoting? Is it fair to just quote the relavant bit you are responding to?

In my opinion, quoting, {as far as a message board goes} is similar to the example given about ''Paragraph breaks'', it's much easier for the other participants to understand your line of thinking when they can read the quote above, to which you are referring to.

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If you do feel someone is being wrongly bashed , what should you do?

Without a doubt, it's instinctively human to defend the underdog. So I would tell you, if you feel a ''cheap shot'' has been taken at someone , or they've been unfairly bashed , go with your gut and defend them.

- The Ranger

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