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Aimtoplease101 -> Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/10/2007 2:40:25 PM)

Lady Ellen's post set me thinking about the dynamic of corporal punishment sessions from both the Domme and sub's perspective, particular regarding the severity of whippings, croppings, strappings, etc., being delivered.

For those of you who have a streak of sadism in you, my question is this:

Does the intensity/ severity of the thrashing you are delivering affect your enjoyment of the scene, or is your satisfaction linked more to the reaction of the sub/ recipient, regardless of how hard the blow delivered is?

For example, if someone had a very low pain threshold, such that he was jumping around and crying out upon receiving even a comparatively mild blow, would you enjoy that as much or even more than delivering much harder strokes to a sub with a high threshold who could "grunt and take it?"

I guess the question is a little bit analogous to the debate in literary criticism between "reader response" theorists and "author intent" adherents.  Is your enjoyment derived primarily from what you are doing, or from the response your action is eliciting from the recipient?

Regards, ATP



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/10/2007 2:41:12 PM)

Depends on my mood. 



justLady -> RE: Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/10/2007 2:58:06 PM)

Smiles, it's an interesting one.

I guess I'm with LA some of the time, as it does depend on my mood but generally, it's the reaction I'm after.

My boy isn't a painslut in any way, shape or form so his threshold is low and his reactions invariably amuse me, whether I've taken him to his limit or just teased him a little. 

It's the look in his eye I'm primarily after though sometimes, I do want to inflict as much pain as he can take.  It proves his obedience and commitment to me - I feel very loved while he accepts whatever I give him.



goddessAVA -> RE: Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/10/2007 3:00:38 PM)

I love not having to hold back-using full force blows because it is so rare that a sub can take it.



earthycouple -> RE: Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/10/2007 3:12:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aimtoplease101



Does the intensity/ severity of the thrashing you are delivering affect your enjoyment of the scene, or is your satisfaction linked more to the reaction of the sub/ recipient, regardless of how hard the blow delivered is?  If my reaction was according to his reaction then he'd eventually learn what reaction "turns me on" and he'd always do that regardless of what level I inflicted!  I simply do what feels right in the moment.  I seldom plan anything and when I get started my last action helps determine my next and so on.  I am not really thinking of what he wants or what I want, just about what seems to make sense for the moment in time.

For example, if someone had a very low pain threshold, such that he was jumping around and crying out upon receiving even a comparatively mild blow, would you enjoy that as much or even more than delivering much harder strokes to a sub with a high threshold who could "grunt and take it?"  One of the things that pleases me most about Robert is no matter how much he makes little noises and squirms he remains "open" to me.  If I'm fwacking his ass, he may jump a bit but never turns away.  If I'm torturing his balls his legs never close even though his head, torso and arms are moving about.  If I'm cutting he may make noises and squeeze his hand over my hand or arm but he never moves a muscle so I don't miscut.  Damn I love him and writing things like this make me smile so very much *S*

I guess the question is a little bit analogous to the debate in literary criticism between "reader response" theorists and "author intent" adherents.  Is your enjoyment derived primarily from what you are doing, or from the response your action is eliciting from the recipient?  Primarily from what I am doing because it releases great stress in me.  I lose backaches, headaches, so on and so forth from a really hot pain vs. pleasure engagement.

Regards, ATP


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LadyHugs -> RE: Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/10/2007 7:19:05 PM)

Dear Aimtoplease101, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I can only speak for my own personal preferences however, I am rarely in a bad mood and have a fairly pleasant disposition.
 
I work off of reactions of my partners, I like a dance of energy.  I usually lead the dance though.
With a heavy masochist I am more free to thrust more energy and or power into strokes and use tools to make the heavy pain player go into the flurry of foul language, violent thrashing and the like--it is not fake.
 
But, I can get the same satisfaction with a sensual man who isn't into pain, with the caresses of velvet, rabbit, mink and other fur--the sensual and well placed stroke to nerve bundles that would be similar but, not so heavy.  Sensation sadism as well as situation sadism, e.g. having them squat and without hand support put a grease slicked dime on the wall that their nose has to hold it in the circle.  Then make them suddenly rise up.  Leg cramps can hurt.  This is a non-touch form of sadism but, the body of the victim causes the pain.
 
I am happy when masochists are happy and all they can say is "Wow."
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



PairOfDimes -> RE: Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/10/2007 7:26:52 PM)

That depends on mood, and depends on my investment in the person. I suppose it would be ideal to hurt someone a great deal and receive decidedly expressive reactions.



Najakcharmer -> RE: Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/10/2007 7:52:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: goddessAVA

I love not having to hold back-using full force blows because it is so rare that a sub can take it.


When I want to deliver full force blows to a subbie with a low pain threshold, I use a suede flogger.  I get the feeling of serious swing and he doesn't get pushed beyond his fun limit. 

I'm definitely a reaction dominant.  It's okay with me if a sub has a lower pain threshold.  That just makes it easier for me to get him to cry, whimper, squirm and moan with less effort.  There are reasonable limits and I'd prefer to be able to feel like I'm doing *something* to him to get this degree of reaction, rather than almost nothing.  And of course I do enjoy heavy pain, marks and welts, but realistically I'm aware that this won't happen with every partner.  Which is fine, since there are other things I enjoy as well.

If I enjoy someone's company and energy and I want to play with them casually, it's perfectly reasonable that we'll both come up with a fun list and a no-fun list, and we'll stick to doing stuff that is on our mutual fun list.  I don't have a problem with that, especially in a situation where there is no real or lasting dominance/submission dynamic and we're just playing with SM.



goddessAVA -> RE: Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/10/2007 8:22:12 PM)

I guess I was getting at what I like to do-there is someting sooooooo satisfying about a boy bound, his back a bare canvas and a HEAVY bullwhip or flogger in hand, swung with all my might.  The release is great for me, sadly not many have been able to take this.  I only attempt it with those who tell me they are pain pigs and prove it gradually as I play with them in a session.  I do love the suede flogger-that is a great suggestion, sometimes though I like more weight in my hand. Squirming is fun, especially when they jump at the threat of my torture, however the sadist in me loves a no holds barred pain session where I can let loose, regardless of their reaction-as long as it is consentual of course.  One of the hottest scenes I had was an INCREDIBLY hard spanking with an ex-marine who took the most brutal otk I ever gave, from the hand to the paddle to the heavy metal spatula-without uttering a peep, just taking what I gave him.  Of course, he had a very hard time walking when I was done............



thetammyjo -> RE: Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/11/2007 6:38:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aimtoplease101

For those of you who have a streak of sadism in you, my question is this:

Does the intensity/ severity of the thrashing you are delivering affect your enjoyment of the scene, or is your satisfaction linked more to the reaction of the sub/ recipient, regardless of how hard the blow delivered is?



If I'm with a masochist then intensity and amount of time are the primary factors.

If I'm with a non-masochist who suffers merely to please me then I don't need a lot of SM and I don't need it often. The mere fact that he suffers for me is incredibly empowering and erotic to me.



MstrssPassion -> RE: Pain thresholds and sadistic satisfaction (7/11/2007 7:09:22 AM)

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Does the intensity/ severity of the thrashing you are delivering affect your enjoyment of the scene, or is your satisfaction linked more to the reaction of the sub/ recipient, regardless of how hard the blow delivered is?


I could answer this many ways.

If I were to answer this word specifically, you ask "of the scene". I read this in this way: the "scene" consists of person(s) other than myself...my overall enjoyment "of the scene" would also factor in the responses of the others who were involved.

Now if I were to view the question as personal... how I alone enjoy a scene... is it the intensity of the blow or the reaction of the bottom?

It really depends on the scene... I've had many bottoms offer themselves up for extreme sessions because they knew that I could dish out a rather intense beating & that I really enjoy doing so. Even though I enjoy it, I can't turn off the feedback I am getting from the willing bottom... I can pick up on their responses, I sense when I am taking them to the extreme physical edge where they should not go any further & I pull back. Does this mean that because I pulled back, because I sensed them at their limits, that I didn't enjoy the overall scene? Not at all!!! This also applies to the lighter scenes where I don't let out those intense sadistic techniques. So with that said... I believe the reaction far outweighs the all out 'whoop ass factor' because I've never had a bottom that has been able to sustain an all out, no holds barred assault from me.  



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