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TigerNINTails -> RE: Flogging & the Lower Back (7/12/2007 9:50:43 PM)
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Hi LordKen,
Much as LA said, sure, you can involve the lowerback, and it would be advisable to slowly warm it, rather than laying into it heavy.
One of the considerations I make, when I do work the lower back with something like what you're describing, whether the flogger is knotted or not, rat-tailed or supple straps, (which it sounds like your falls are straps, and not strands, such as rat-tails?) is the condition of her lower back to begin with.
While the kidneys are there, yes, and they should be avoided when you're working "deep impact" sort of play, which is more likely to occur with a cane, weilded with a vigorous strike, or with your closed fist, or even a slap of your hand (considering the hardness of the hand, and the way people might slap someone's ass cheeks).
However, with a small flogger, such as the 9" "key-chain" I use for some breast play or on her vaginal region (it gets used other places too, especially softer or more sensitive areas, that aren't necessarily sexual in nature) it's much easier to use it with more vigor without risking damage to internal organs, such as the kidney's, especially if your mindful of the types of strikes your using...
Tipping, for example... If you need to, swing it slowly at first, just to get the distance, but tipping is something I use to build up an intense "burning" sort of sensation over time. Yes, it takes longer to achieve a nice rosieness to the flesh, but because of it's consistent rhythm, it definitely has a requirement for the Top to be aware of what they're doing the entire time. And it does make a lovely shade, eventually.[8D]
Tipping is the method of striking with just the tips of the falls. I'm not sure that a supple strap is something that will provide much sting, but a more rigid (13 or 14 weight) rat tail with a knot tied about an inch from the end can build up nice speed and the abrasiveness of the tail skimming the skin creates a nice stingy sensation... It's light... I wouldn't particularly call it painful, at least not at first, but it can leave a relatively lasting effect.
The more you work one area, the more sensitive it becomes, of course... Until it reaches a peak, of course. I've never had a problem in the kidney region from tipping. Of course, that's what I call it, others might have a different designation.
Thumping strikes are more akin to deep impact, and I don't use them in that region, because there is a chance, and it's rather exponential in comparison to tipping of becoming a problem. It's important to remember, no matter where you're working the body, that kinetic energy is energy in motion. That means that the more dense a material the energy is transfering through, or the more fluid the area, the faster and more potent it becomes.
This is why I use light impact, and apply it for a greater time period, rather than deeper or heavier impact applied for what might amount to be a shorter period of time in other areas, on the lower back.
Then, there is the force applied. Even tipping could become dangerous, should the flogger be moving in too much of a linear fashion (as in singletail as an example of motion). I try, even with tipping to maintain wide circular patterns, so they brush across a broader stretch of flesh, not impact the skin in a tightly focused area... Trying to apply a parallel touch, rather than a perpendicular one.
Deep impact, if you've noticed is more perpindicular in nature, meaning it intersects much more directly.
Light impact, otoh, is more parallel, as it's skimming the surface. It still intersects, obviously, or there would be no sensation.[:D]
Even using the full length of the tails, it's possible to throw in a way that "thumps" without the power of deep impact. This is where you might simply be moving, without focusing on power and just focusing on rhythm.
I would also suggest, testing different stepping and striking movements in conjunction, with the goal of gaining feedback from your slave on feel (as in, how does it feel to her, does she feel it inside, or does she feel it exclusively to the surface, or is there any sort of after effect after the strike) and of course, use sound judgement on what not to do, based on that feedback. Also, this should tell you what feels right to her, and what "should" be safe.
Now to clarify, when I'm talking about stepping and striking, it's kind of akin to martial arts, in that almost every strike should be accompanied by a step, which puts the hip in motion... You don't have to throw with your arm as much as just move it to the desired location, when you're using hip energy... This is how people with smaller strength values in their arms can strike nearly as hard as someone two to three times their size using only their arms.
But the key here, again, is not power, when you're working the lower back. It's consistency in delivering the desired sensation over a longer stretch of time, or repitition.
And a difference in the directional attitude of the blow to begin with (remember when I was talking about the difference between a perpendicular impact and a parallel impact?).
Flopping a flogger and simply easily flinging it, flipping the tips out, with only the weight of the tails has effects too, and doesn't transmit the energy of a vigorous strike. It's mainly the kinetics you have to worry about. That energy that can run right through the body and disrupt what the kidneys are doing, or even cause a rupture... You don't need a heavy kinetic transfer to create sensation. Or pain.
For safety, when working the lower back, if you're trying something new, be aware of any complaint of soreness from within or deep soreness... Also, check urine too. If I recall, a damaged kidney will cause blood in the urine, so be sure you're aware of that.
I try not to wrap to the outside, in that area as well. A wrap to the outside (just above her hips) can transmit just as well, and just as damaging to the kidneys. I mean, that's where a lot of strikes in fights are thrown that cause kidney damage, and that's from a frontal angle. I am of the opinion, you'd have to be using something either hard, heavy, or really trying to lay into her though, to do something bad to her with a 13" flogger though.
Part of the reason "wrapping" is a bad idea. Wrapping being when the center of the whip, or flogger tails lands in the desired spot and the tips continue their journey and impact with greater than expected force beyond the intended target.
So ensure that you know the length and power of your strikes so that you don't allow the tips to light where they are not to. This is also why I'm fond of tipping in this area, as I'm using a dragging motion of the last knot or last two knots up to the tip of the floggers falls to deliver sensation, and there isn't a chance for it to wrap at all.
It's also why I spin the flogger in fast circles. I also let only the tails kinetics do the work, rather than throwing my arm into it. Or hips for that matter. I'm not after power here.
When working the lowerback, I prefer the muscle groups that are on either side of the spine, and use dragging motions of the tips of the flogger up and down the spine, with little to no force, just as a sensation additive, that isn't painful. Or, to continue doing something, while taking a momentary break... Tipping with a flogger or two, can be a little tiring.
This is also why I asked that you check and be sure you know the condition of her back. If she has strong muscles in her lower back area, they will absorb more impact. If she's weak, this will open her up to accidents if you're not aware of this. But even if she's weak, if you stick to areas such as the central muscle groupings, and use "lighter impact" techniques, you should be fine... I make no guarantees. This is where your personal responsibility comes into play. Don't heavy impact the spine either.
It's more that deep impacts do the damage, and it's why linear (perpendicular) strikes tend to be looked at as bad joo joo, when applied to the kidney region. It's why people throwing singletails and bullwhips avoid the kidneys... Those falls pack one helluva kinetic punch.
The heavier the flogger, the more worriesome it can become. So using the one you have, is probably not going to be over much an issue, but I can't say that with certainty, as I've not seen it. [:D]
Hope this helps. I also hope I didn't ramble on too much.
Peace.
TNT
[Edited: To add more clarification... Some of the post was AWOL[:D]
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