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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/17/2007 9:02:01 PM

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I thought Red Hat isn't making Linux distrib. anymore. Suse and Mandrake I thought were the big ones...

And there are over 100 distributions out there....which one you have Fargle?

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/17/2007 9:14:30 PM

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I got a new PC and had no choice they all had Vista as an OS. I would have liked to have kept XP, but I really did like 98 the best.

My printer/scanner/fax did not work, so I went out and got the same kind as the PC, Vista said right out it would not accept my old printer, which never let me down. Anyway I get the printer home and get it all plugged in and am ready to install the softwear and it is not up-grade to Vista, Ahhhhrrrgh! It took an 8 hour download to get it up and running.

I find that happens a lot with Microsoft, they develope something new and then let the purchasing masses figure out all the glitches and problems problems.

I and a friend spent weeks on trying to figure out how to transfer files from my old hard-drive to my new one, even bought a $40.00 "special" transfer cable that didn't work for chit!!! Finally got it done with an Ether cable.

Sometimes I fantasize about seeing Bill Gates bound, gagged and single tailed, then again he probably would love it.

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/17/2007 9:20:18 PM

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I got a new PC and had no choice they all had Vista as an OS. I would have liked to have kept XP, but I really did like 98 the best.

My printer/scanner/fax did not work, so I went out and got the same kind as the PC, Vista said right out it would not accept my old printer, which never let me down. Anyway I get the printer home and get it all plugged in and am ready to install the softwear and it is not up-grade to Vista, Ahhhhrrrgh! It took an 8 hour download to get it up and running.

I find that happens a lot with Microsoft, they develope something new and then let the purchasing masses figure out all the glitches and problems problems.

I and a friend spent weeks on trying to figure out how to transfer files from my old hard-drive to my new one, even bought a $40.00 "special" transfer cable that didn't work for chit!!! Finally got it done with an Ether cable.

Sometimes I fantasize about seeing Bill Gates bound, gagged and single tailed, then again he probably would love it.

Missy.

A little thing that I had found out a little while ago is that the Vista liscense works with xp for genuine installation purposes.

Guess MS forgot to mention that their many copies of vista is still actually xp installations

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/17/2007 9:20:24 PM

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As far as Windows goes... 95/98/ME is a dead OS. Microsoft will not support it anymore if you have problems. In fact they killed the shell to that OS.

Windows 2000 is a dying OS. They will probably stop supporting that within a year or two.

XP will probably still be supported for at least 5 more years or so.

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/17/2007 10:09:55 PM

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Pretty much. The idea of running applications locally is SO 1996!

The current model is point web browser at https://crm.example.com and get to work. That way, when the S/W vendor has an update, it can go live without ANY distribution costs or delays. All the transactional data can be summarized in a data-warehouse for decision support, etc.

As I've told you before a lot of my company's customers still demand desktop apps and we still get projects that simply will not be run using a thin client interface. We do a lot of business with stock brokers and commodity traders and they're crunching serious numbers and in most firms it is simply impractical to dump all the work on a DB server box and associated web server box and pitching server farms to handle the load is a hard sell when everybody is going to have a reasonably modern PC on their desk anyway.. Much better to use a DB server as simply a fetch point and do the number crunching on the local box.

Then of course there are companies who are very paranoid about their security. If an app isn't even installed on a box it cannot be used by a non hard core cracker to gain access to sensitive data. Same cannot be said for an app available over the office net.

Most of the stuff I see done the way you describe is nonsensitive data or where the company wants the data available outside their office and VPN's for those out of the office is impractical for one reason or another. Since this essentially boils down to HR info intranet sites and CRM packages, a business we stay out of since the big guys have great apps out of the box.

We did just pitch a distributed warehouse inventory package that would have a thin clinet interface for everything the handheld bar code scanners can't do but we're still waiting on that company's decision. They wanted a quote for doing it with a standard app interface as well.

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 6:03:51 AM

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I thought Red Hat isn't making Linux distrib. anymore. Suse and Mandrake I thought were the big ones...

And there are over 100 distributions out there....which one you have Fargle?

Red Hat split it's efforts into Fedora ( The free, cutting edge, community supported ) and Red Hat Enterprise
( http://www.redhat.com/rhel/server ) for which they guarantee like 7 years of support and offer 1 hour response time.

We *have* support agreements with Red Hat, but usually deal with things in-house. At home, I'm on Fedora Core 6, at the office, I'm on Fedora 7 ( for my workstation ) and various forms of Red Hat from 5.0 ( or 5.2, I don't recall the exact rev... ) on an old Oracle server, up to Red Hat Enterprise 5 ( for our trouble ticket system, and virtualizing some legacy servers on RHEL4, when their hardware gave out... )

the BEST feature, for me, is the window manager, Ratpoison. EVERYTHING runs full screen, and ZERO screen space is wasted on Window frames, buttons, and other bling. A hotkey combo moves you from application to application and another hotkey combo moves from desktop to desktop ( We have multiple DESKTOPS under Unix.... )

It has great benefits towards productivity and maintaining focus while working.

And that's what's most important, maximizing MY productivity, not MSFT's 10-Q.

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 6:11:02 AM

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pitching server farms to handle the load is a hard sell

If it's really important, talk to IBM about the Z-series. Oh, it runs Linux, so your infrastructure SCALES TO IT.

You can't do that trick with MSFT's toys. Hell, last time I checked SQL Server didn't even like multiple servers running the same database out of the SAN, they could only standby and fail over when the active server tanked.

Heck, if they're that dumb, then exploit them for all you can. YOU WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY DITCHING THE MSFT KOOL-AID though, and offer better products.

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 7:00:47 AM

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That was cute... The Collarme DB server tanked just after I posted that message...

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 7:54:16 AM

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(Fast Reply...er.....actually more of a Fast Question)

....not being as much of a techie as i'd like to be, does anyone know how well Vista works with online games? i had to leave my old machine back in the UK and i'll be looking to get a new one in a month or so. Should i go for a vista machine or hunt around for an XP one given that the reason i need the machine is to play ET:QW?

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 8:18:59 AM

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It works fine, but all the level 50 wizards look like Bill Gates...

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 8:25:11 AM

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hunt around for an XP one

Dell is building/shipping XP boxes TODAY. They're realized that MSFT's goals are not Dell's goals, and have responded appropriately.

That said, I guess Vista doesn't suck better or worse than any Microsoft product. They're all shit...

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 9:24:27 AM

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It works fine, but all the level 50 wizards look like Bill Gates...

.......eeeeep, but what will the Strogg look like?

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 9:37:43 AM

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Janet Reno of course....

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 9:43:26 AM

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pitching server farms to handle the load is a hard sell

If it's really important, talk to IBM about the Z-series. Oh, it runs Linux, so your infrastructure SCALES TO IT.

You can't do that trick with MSFT's toys. Hell, last time I checked SQL Server didn't even like multiple servers running the same database out of the SAN, they could only standby and fail over when the active server tanked.

Heck, if they're that dumb, then exploit them for all you can. YOU WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY DITCHING THE MSFT KOOL-AID though, and offer better products.

I'm not the DB guy in this company so I'm not 100% positive of the details but we have deployed MS SQL server in a load sharing farm in the past.

We do Linux work and we do not make more money on those projects. In most cases we make a lot less. People are simply not willing to pay a fair price for software written for a free OS with mostly free apps on it. We've had to implement a support fee for our Linux server products because otherwise we couldn't afford to do Linux projects at all. Compare that to our Windows offerings where you get full free lifetime support with a US based callcenter and level 3 support is the development team that wrote the app.

Actually on a per project basis I'm pretty sure we make the most money on Mac apps although we don't get many of those.

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 9:54:39 AM

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We just bill by the hour for our services. You need a webserver? By the hour. You need custom code? By the hour. So, I guess MARKETING a product is less important to us. We market our services.

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 10:05:59 AM

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We just bill by the hour for our services. You need a webserver? By the hour. You need custom code? By the hour. So, I guess MARKETING a product is less important to us. We market our services.

We do a small amount of hourly billing work but mostly we do software development not IT consulting so we've found that a quote for the project works out better.

Although to make more money on Linux work if you're billing by the hour don't your projects have to take longer? Doesn't that put a pretty big hole in your whle everything in Linux is easier claim?

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 10:17:35 AM

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Janet Reno of course....

Crikey......but in the interests of balance some ought to look like Ronald Regan, some like Margaret Thatcher, some like Peter Mandelson.....and at least one that looks like
Ron, just to throw people off........

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 10:27:32 AM

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We just bill by the hour for our services. You need a webserver? By the hour. You need custom code? By the hour. So, I guess MARKETING a product is less important to us. We market our services.

We do a small amount of hourly billing work but mostly we do software development not IT consulting so we've found that a quote for the project works out better.

Although to make more money on Linux work if you're billing by the hour don't your projects have to take longer? Doesn't that put a pretty big hole in your whle everything in Linux is easier claim?

I suppose people without a strong ethical grounding would inflate their billable hours, but that lack of integrity is irrespective of the tools one chooses, or the products and services one sells.

We quote projects. # of hours * hourly rate = project pricing. Of course, then it matters if you ESTIMATE the project properly, and can control project costs, etc... But that's pretty basic.

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 11:15:00 AM

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ROFLMAO!!!

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Crikey......but in the interests of balance some ought to look like Ronald Regan, some like Margaret Thatcher, some like Peter Mandelson.....and at least one that looks like Ron, just to throw people off........

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RE: "Vista plodding along 6 months after release&q... - 7/18/2007 11:20:20 AM

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We do the same thing in quoting a project but I'm still missing how we could make more money doing Linux projects if your thesis that everything in Linux is easier were true. If a project would take y hours to do in Linux and y+x hours to do for Windows, a claim I do not support in most cases, and our billing rate doesn't change then we would make more money writing code for Windows.

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