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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 5:18:26 PM

LadyAngelika

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Yawns and stretches in Canada.

How many more years of George Bush?

Too bloody many.

Agreed! And remember, your American laws do not apply to our Canadian servers :) We welcome your smut!

- LA

And which server would you recommend? In the future I'll be in need of one for this sort of thing. However I'd still have to research it all and check with a lawyer or three just to be on the safe side. I'm not keen on being hauled off to prison.

The company that hosts my business sites is run by a kink friendly man who is a privacy nut. I don't have any kink sites (other then the little bit on geocities) but I know that he hosts many kink sites. Of course, check with lawyers, but I'm sure there is a way to work this out. I've asked him to post something in the services section and hopefully there will be something there by tomorrow morning. Until then, message me on the other side (as I think posting the contact info here is not appropriate). Dahlia, I'll send you the info.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 6:11:41 PM

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The sky is not falling, and I do not feel the least bit sorry for them to be honest with you. I am more concerned about the rights of the children and adult models than I am about someone feeding off the lowest common denominator of society. It is not hard to ascertain whose rights should supercede whose if Y/you have a brain in Y/your heads.

Is that why you want all the info about adult models to be easily available to any maniac who has a website?

Maybe that maniac should not have a website. I could care less if they did or did not to be honest. Besides, this information has been kept on most models up until now anyways. This just means that now everyone in the chain has to keep detailed information or be found in contempt of the Law. Suits Me fine.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 7:30:34 PM

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Maybe that maniac should not have a website. I could care less if they did or did not to be honest. Besides, this information has been kept on most models up until now anyways. This just means that now everyone in the chain has to keep detailed information or be found in contempt of the Law. Suits Me fine.

There are some crazy fundamentalist maniacs who will setup websites just so they can have the model's info and go harass her/him.

Obviously it suits you fine, because you don't have an adult website. You didn't spend thousands of dollars on content all those years and you don't seem to care much about the privacy of the models.

It's practically impossible for anyone to keep perfect records of all that. But I guess, like you, since it doesn't affect me, I'm supposed to not care.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 7:42:15 PM

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Maybe that maniac should not have a website. I could care less if they did or did not to be honest. Besides, this information has been kept on most models up until now anyways. This just means that now everyone in the chain has to keep detailed information or be found in contempt of the Law. Suits Me fine.

There are some crazy fundamentalist maniacs who will setup websites just so they can have the model's info and go harass her/him.

That is a ridiculous stretch for SOO many reasons, not the least of which most fundies probably can not be bothered wasting all that capital on content just so they can go harass someone. They are not going to set up a website that is completely against everything they believe in so they can get a phone number. That is laughable. The thought itself is riciculous and completely lacking in fact. It is not exactly cheap to buy a portfolio, I am sure.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 7:43:01 PM

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god bless Canada

Canada is not going to help out anyone. Reason being...just because the website is hosted in Canada if the owner of the site is in the US. They still go to prison.
The US cannot shut the website down but they can go after the owner...which is what the law does anyway.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 7:46:25 PM

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Canada will never dare go against the US in this anyways. Not in a million years. Canada has too much to lose. They have been in the US' bad books for over a century. They had better not do anything else to piss off the US without VERY good reason if they know what is good for them. Our government almost buried us with their Iraqi war policy.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 7:49:22 PM

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god bless Canada

Canada is not going to help out anyone. Reason being...just because the website is hosted in Canada if the owner of the site is in the US. They still go to prison.
The US cannot shut the website down but they can go after the owner...which is what the law does anyway.

There are ways of masking who the owner is by running it through a canadian holding company. As I said, I have friends who are security/privacy nuts.

Now this will not work of course if you say on your Website that you are an American and the owner of the site.

Obviously, the best case scenario is that this law be gone, but until that happens (if it ever does) there are ways for some people who do not need to be geographically identified to hide behind Canadian servers.

- LA

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 7:51:00 PM

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Canada will never dare go against the US in this anyways. Not in a million years.

In 2003, Canada refused to join or publicly support the U.S.-led war on Iraq.

That happened less then a million years ago.

We never feel obliged to do things the way Americans do.

- LA

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 8:11:55 PM

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Amen (sorry to be secular!) LadyAngelika.

We are our own country, and we make our own decisions.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 8:20:43 PM

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Amen (sorry to be secular!) LadyAngelika.

We are our own country, and we make our own decisions.

We are. Actually, there was no precedent for Kenin's remark. I can think of a half dozen other important decisions, of the top of my head, on which Canada did not go the same route as the states.

- Gun permits/control
- Same-sex marriage
- Sex laws (in general)
- Narcotics laws
- Downloading music/software
- Banking/deposit insurance laws

And the whole governmental structure is different!

Blame Canada

- LA

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 9:33:03 PM

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god bless Canada

Canada is not going to help out anyone. Reason being...just because the website is hosted in Canada if the owner of the site is in the US. They still go to prison.
The US cannot shut the website down but they can go after the owner...which is what the law does anyway.

As a Canadian this whole law, does NOT apply to me, in the slightest. That was my point.

Any american laws cannot touch me. The laws of the US do not cross borders. This goes for all american and Canadian laws. If we pass a law up here in Canada, the US is not effected.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/26/2005 11:23:42 PM

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Where do I sign up to become a Canadian? Oh happy days are just a boarder away...

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/27/2005 3:54:45 AM

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Where do I sign up to become a Canadian? Oh happy days are just a boarder away...

This might help. http://www.marryanamerican.ca/

But Dahlia, I'll marry you (since we can do that here!) we'll drive all the boys insane and have them at our mercy ;)

- LA

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/27/2005 4:59:10 AM

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Where do I sign up to become a Canadian? Oh happy days are just a boarder away...

This might help. http://www.marryanamerican.ca/

But Dahlia, I'll marry you (since we can do that here!) we'll drive all the boys insane and have them at our mercy ;)

- LA

Like that would be hard. We're not exactly a hard race to overcome.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/27/2005 5:01:54 AM

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Where do I sign up to become a Canadian? Oh happy days are just a boarder away...

This might help. http://www.marryanamerican.ca/

But Dahlia, I'll marry you (since we can do that here!) we'll drive all the boys insane and have them at our mercy ;)

- LA

Like that would be hard. We're not exactly a hard race to overcome.

Lol KarbonCopy - What race are you talking about? *Male* is not a race ;)

- LA

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/27/2005 7:19:02 AM

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I am not from the US, but I have a keen interest on what goes on there. My parents live there and I have done a lot of travel there. I like the US

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/27/2005 7:20:14 AM

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god bless Canada

Canada is not going to help out anyone. Reason being...just because the website is hosted in Canada if the owner of the site is in the US. They still go to prison.
The US cannot shut the website down but they can go after the owner...which is what the law does anyway.

As a Canadian this whole law, does NOT apply to me, in the slightest. That was my point.

Ahh. Ok. I hear what you are saying now and true enough.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/27/2005 7:21:28 AM

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Where do I sign up to become a Canadian? Oh happy days are just a boarder away...

lol. We have our own list of problems. It is not all fun and games up here either. If You moved here it would provide for a new host of things to be upset about.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/27/2005 7:26:08 AM

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Amen (sorry to be secular!) LadyAngelika.

We are our own country, and we make our own decisions.

We are. Actually, there was no precedent for Kenin's remark. I can think of a half dozen other important decisions, of the top of my head, on which Canada did not go the same route as the states.

- Gun permits/control
- Same-sex marriage
- Sex laws (in general)
- Narcotics laws
- Downloading music/software
- Banking/deposit insurance laws

And the whole governmental structure is different!

Blame Canada

- LA

This shows that you truly did not grasp the context of My comment. If you sit and think about it for a second, you will remember things such as the lumber dispute and other key issues that have driven a wedge in US/Canadian relations. This has gone on for 150 years or so.

Canada might want to be "our own country", but really she is nothing without the protective wing of the United States. We are completely at their mercy. This ignorant "thumbing our noses" at the US, including our stance on homosexual marriage, is going to bury us. It is not about whether we CAN do it. It is about whether we SHOULD do it and how it affects our relations with our neighbors to the south. Remember, they are the one's with the military. They can wipe out Canada a million times over any time they want. As it is, they have already taken over much of our enterprise.

I also touched on the Iraqi war as something else that drove a wedge.

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RE: Section 18 U.S.C. § 2257 - 6/27/2005 8:56:28 AM

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This might help. http://www.marryanamerican.ca/

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OMFG that is hilarious.

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