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whiptheturd -> Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 6:12:15 AM)

Is there a place for legal power exchange enhancements to formalise the Dominant Owner and submissive slave consensual relationship association within the alternative lifestyle?

For Example:
 Guardianship:  New Hampshire’s broad guardianship laws allow, among other things, an individual to nominate another person as the guardian of their person, estate, or both.  NH RSA 464-A:10.  The advantage of nominating a guardian in advance is that you are selecting the person to take over all aspects of your life, including your right of freedom of movement, decision making and personal finances.

 

 




littlesarbonn -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 6:16:08 AM)

Unfortunately not. Those pesky constitutional rights keep getting in the way of "true freedom" of slavery.

Honestly, I know of no way in the US that you can formalize slavery, aside from being declared incompetent to handle your own affairs, and even that has MAJOR ethical issues to the dominant who takes control. There might be some countries where you can formalize your slavery contract, but to be honest, if slavery is okay there, I would suspect that upon moving there "slavery" would be the least of your concerns as societies that still allow slavery don't exactly offer the greatest opportunities in most other avenues as well.




whiptheturd -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 6:30:01 AM)

I believe there is a case and more should be awere of the existing legal possibilities. Power and  control akin to ownership and not classified as slavery.
 
Check this out.
 
GENERAL POWER OF ATTORNEY
I, _______________________________________, do hereby appoint my _________, _______________________________________, with full power of substitution (herein called "my attorney-in-fact"), my true and lawful attorney-in-fact, to represent and act for me for and during the period commencing __________________. In the event that she is deceased or otherwise unable to serve as my attorney-in-fact, I hereby appoint my ___________________, _____________________________, to serve as my true and lawful attorney-in-fact. These powers granted in this instrument are effective until revoked by me in writing. The powers herein and hereby conferred are general and my attorney-in-fact is by this power fully authorized to act in all matters and affairs in my place and stead.


This power of attorney is executed for the purpose of expediting the transaction of all personal, business and investment affairs of mine and to permit action in my name and in my behalf with respect to any and all my property and affairs during the period of this power as fully and effectively as I might do were I present and acting, third persons being relieved of the responsibility to determine, or to require compliance by my attorney-in-fact with, my instructions.


In extension and not in limitation of the powers given by other provisions of this instrument, I confer upon my attorney-in-fact the power to do all things deemed necessary or proper to carry out the provisions and intent of this power of attorney, including but not limited to the following powers, all of which may be exercised from time to time at his discretion and with respect to property in which I now or hereafter have any interest:


(a) To sell, to exchange, to lease, to make contracts or to grant options concerning or otherwise transfer or dispose of any of my real or personal property at public or private sale without advertisement, or through any exchange or dealer and with respect to securities to authorize their transfer upon the books of the respective companies, for such consideration and upon such terms as to credit or otherwise as my attorney-in-fact may determine, which leases, contracts and options may extend beyond the expiration of this power;


(b) To invest in, purchase or otherwise acquire in my name stocks, shares and obligations of corporations, unincorporated associations, trust, investment companies, mortgages, notes, choses in action, real estate, improvements thereon, and other personal and real property as such attorney-in-fact may deem best without regard to any law now or hereafter in force limiting investments for any fiduciary;


(c) To vote in person or give general or limited proxies or powers of attorney for other voting or acting in respect of any of my corporate stock or other security, which may be discretionary and with power of substitution; to consent directly or through a committee to any reorganization, recapitalization, merger, consolidation, dissolution, amendment to articles of incorporation, liquidation, bankruptcy or other procedures or proceedings affecting any corporation in which I have any interest, and to any sale, lease, pledge or mortgage of any property by or to any such corporation; and to make any payments, assessments or subscriptions and to take any steps my attorney-in-fact may deem necessary and proper to enable him to obtain the benefit of any such transaction;


(d) To employ brokers, accountants, attorneys, investment counsel; custodian of trust property and other agents;


(e) To compromise, compound, submit to arbitration, sell, release, settle or adjust any claims or demands by or against me which I now or hereafter have, and to agree to any rescission or modification of any contract or agreement affecting me or any property;


(f) To complete, extend, modify or renew any indebtedness of mine as well as to borrow money and execute notes obligating me, and to secure the same by mortgaging, pledging, conveying or otherwise encumbering any or all of my property;


(g) To improve or develop real estate; to construct, alter or repair buildings or structures on real estate; to settle boundary lines and easements and other rights with respect to real estate; to partition and to join with co-owners and others in dealing with real estate in any way;


(h) To receive and receipt for any property or money which I am or may be entitled to receive and to hold, handle and deal with such property;


(i) To draw and sign, endorse, deposit or otherwise collect checks on any of my bank accounts and other instruments for the payment of money;


(j) To execute in my name, seal and deliver any and all instruments in writing deemed advisable to carry out any of the foregoing powers and no one dealing with my attorney-in-fact need inquire into the validity of anything he does or need see to the application of any money paid or any property transferred to or upon his order;


(k) To represent me before any office of the Internal Revenue Service with respect to any Internal Revenue Service tax matter and for any year or period;


(l) To represent me before any State of Georgia Department of Revenue office or the office of any tax or licensing official of any political subdivision of the ____________ with respect to any ___________ or such political subdivision tax matter and for any year or period; and


(m) To receive confidential information and full power to perform on my behalf the following acts with respect to the above matters; and,


(n) To receive, to endorse and collect, checks in payment of any refund of any taxes, penalties, or interest; to execute and file on my behalf all income tax returns, claims for refund, protests, and declarations of estimated tax, whether _________________ or ______________; to execute waivers (including offers of waivers) of restrictions on assessment or collection of deficiencies of tax refund; to execute consents extending the statutory period for assessment or collection of taxes; to delegate authority or to substitute another representative.


Copies of notices and other written communications addressed to me in proceedings involving the above tax matters should be sent to my attorney-in-fact at any address which he may specify.


The enumeration of specific powers herein shall in no wise limit the general power and authority of my attorney-in-fact hereunder; and the expiration of the period of agency hereunder shall in no way affect the validity of his actions during said period;


All parties dealing with my attorney in-fact in connection with my affairs may fully rely upon his power and authority to act for me and in my behalf and in my name, and may accept and rely on agreements entered into by him pursuant to this power of attorney.


To sell, exchange, partition or otherwise dispose of any property or interest therein from time to time at public or private sale, with or without advertisement, upon such terms and conditions, including credit, as myAttorney-in-fact shall deem advisable;


To improve, repair, or lease (as lessor or lessee) any real or personal property and to grant or receive options to purchase property; and a lease or option may be made for a term which may extend beyond the duration of the Trust or the administration of my estate;


Without limitation, to retain any property owned by me, including any stock in a corporate Fiduciary; to invest in stocks, whether common, preferred or otherwise, bonds, loans, securities, interests in partnerships, or other property, real or personal, or in any common trust fund of a corporate Fiduciary; to register any securities in their own names, or in the names of nominees, with or without indicating the fiduciary character of suchinvestments; and to vote any stock by themselves or by proxy; it being my intention to give my Attorney-in-fact the same investment powers which I possess with respect to my own funds;


To acquire, receive, and retain investments without regard to principles of diversification, and without regard to the predominance of common stock, or stock in closely held corporations;


To enter into any plan or agreement for the sale, merger, consolidation, liquidation, recapitalization, or other disposition of any trust or estate property, or of any corporation issuing securities held as part of my estate or any trust; and to accept in such transactions any cash, securities, or property that my Attorney-in-fact deems proper; and,


To operate and continue any and all businesses, including proprietorships and partnerships, in which I may have an interest at the time of my death; to acquire additional interests in any such businesses; to liquidate or join in the liquidation of any such businesses; to sell or otherwise dispose of the same as going concerns; to incorporate or cause to be incorporated as they shall see fit, and to retain stock in any such businesses so incorporated without liability for depreciation in value; to become or remain a general or limited partner in any new or continuing partnership and to take such other action as they may deem necessary or proper for the purpose of beginning or continuing the operation or liquidation of such businesses; to act as directors, officers, or employees of any such businesses, and receive reasonable compensation therefor; and to take all appropriate actions to prevent, identify or respond to actual or threatened violations of any environmental law or regulation thereunder.


_X_________________________________


Print Name ________________________


Sworn to and subscribed


before me, this _______ day of ______________, 200___.


______________________________ Notary Public




skareamoos -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 6:32:06 AM)

A lot of verbage, when the simple answer is: NO




littlesarbonn -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 6:33:04 AM)

A power of attorney is not a "power exchange" except in name only. It's a financial exchange. It's not even power unless you consider economic power to be what this person is seeking, which I seriously doubt it is, considering this was posted on a bdsm message board rather than a financial message board.




whiptheturd -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 6:39:18 AM)

CHAPTER 2. PROCEDURE FOR ADULT ADOPTION ....................... 9320-9328

9320. (a) An adult may adopt another adult who is younger, except the spouse of the prospective adoptive parent, by an adoption agreement approved by the court, as provided in this chapter.
(b) The adoption agreement shall be in writing, executed by the prospective adoptive parent and the proposed adoptee, and shall state that the parties agree to assume toward each other the legal relationship of parent and child and to have all of the rights and be subject to all of the duties and responsibilities of that relationship.

9321. (a) The prospective adoptive parent and the proposed adoptee may file in the county in which either person resides a petition for approval of the adoption agreement.
(b) The petition for approval of the adoption agreement shall state all of the following:
(1) The length and nature of the relationship between the prospective adoptive parent and the proposed adoptee.
(2) The degree of kinship, if any.
(3) The reason the adoption is sought.
(4) A statement as to why the adoption would be in the best interest of the prospective adoptive parent, the proposed adoptee, and the public.
(5) The names and addresses of any living birth parents or adult children of the proposed adoptee.
(6) Whether the prospective adoptive parent or the prospective adoptive parent's spouse has previously adopted any other adult and, if so, the name of the adult, together with the date and place of the adoption.

9322. When the petition for approval of the adoption agreement is filed, the court clerk shall set the matter for hearing.

9323. The court may require notice of the time and place of the hearing to be served on any other interested person and any interested person may appear and object to the proposed adoption.

9324. Both the prospective adoptive parent and the proposed adoptee shall appear at the hearing in person, unless an appearance is impossible, in which event an appearance may be made for either or both of the persons by counsel, empowered in writing to make the appearance.

9325. No investigation or report to the court by any public officer or agency is required, but the court may require the county probation officer or the department to investigate the circumstances of the proposed adoption and report thereon, with recommendations, to the court before the hearing.

9326. The prospective adoptive parent shall mail or personally serve notice of the hearing and a copy of the petition to the director of the regional center for the developmentally disabled, established pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 4620) of Division 4.5 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, and to any living birth parents or adult children of the proposed adoptee, at least 30 days before the day of the hearing on an adoption petition in any case in which both of the following conditions exist:
(a) The proposed adoptee is an adult with developmental disabilities.
(b) The prospective adoptive parent is a provider of board and care, treatment, habilitation, or other services to persons with developmental disabilities or is a spouse or employee of a provider.

9327. If the prospective adoptive parent is a provider of board and care, treatment, habilitation, or other services to persons with developmental disabilities, or is a spouse or employee of a provider, and seeks to adopt an unrelated adult with developmental disabilities, the regional center for the developmentally disabled notified pursuant to Section 9326 shall file a written report with the court regarding the suitability of the proposed adoption in meeting the needs of the proposed adoptee and regarding any known previous adoption by the prospective adoptive parent.

9328. (a) At the hearing the court shall examine the parties, or the counsel of any party not present in person.
(b) If the court is satisfied that the adoption will be in the best interests of the persons seeking the adoption and in the public interest and that there is no reason why the petition should not be granted, the court shall approve the adoption agreement and make an order of adoption declaring that the person adopted is the child of the adoptive parent. Otherwise, the court shall withhold approval of the agreement and deny the petition.
(c) In determining whether or not the adoption of any person pursuant to this part is in the best interests of the persons seeking the adoption or the public interest, the court may consider evidence, oral or written, whether or not it is in conformity with the Evidence Code.


CHAPTER 3. PROCEDURE FOR TERMINATING ADULT ADOPTION .............. 9340

9340. (a) Any person who has been adopted under this part may, upon written notice to the adoptive parent, file a petition to terminate the relationship of parent and child. The petition shall state the name and address of the petitioner, the name and address of the adoptive parent, the date and place of the adoption, and the circumstances upon which the petition is based.
(b) If the adoptive parent consents in writing to the termination, an order terminating the relationship of parent and child may be issued by the court without further notice.
(c) If the adoptive parent does not consent in writing to the termination, a written response shall be filed within 30 days of the date of mailing of the notice, and the matter shall be set for hearing. The court may require an investigation by the county probation officer or the department.





TITLE VI CIVIL PRACTICE AND PROCEDURE
Chapter 63 ADOPTION


63.042 Who may be adopted; who may adopt.--



(1) Any person, a minor or an adult, may be adopted.

(2) The following persons may adopt:



(a) A husband and wife jointly;
(b) An unmarried adult; or
(c) A married person without the other spouse joining as a petitioner, if the person to be adopted is not his or her spouse, and if 1. The other spouse is a parent of the person to be adopted and consents to the adoption; or 2. The failure of the other spouse to join in the petition or to consent to the adoption is excused by the court for good cause shown or in the best interest of the child.


63.062 Persons required to consent to adoption; affidavit of nonpaternity; waiver of venue.--



(8) A petition to adopt an adult may be granted if:

(a) Written consent to adoption has been executed by the adult and the adult's spouse, if any.

(b) Written notice of the final hearing on the adoption has been provided to the parents, if any, or proof of service of process has been filed, showing notice has been served on the parents as provided in this chapter.




whiptheturd -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 6:41:31 AM)

Get yourself a law degree then comment upon legalities. There are many forms of revocable/irrevocable GPA and only one type concerns a persons finances. Check out each states individual laws and see for yourself.




littlesarbonn -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 6:45:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: whiptheturd

Get yourself a law degree then comment upon legalities. There are many forms of revocable/irrevocable GPA and only one type concerns a persons finances. Check out each states individual laws and see for yourself.


Please take your rudeness and insults elsewhere please. I stand by my comment. The question is seeking allowable slavery in a legal form. The second a "slavery" issue would have occurred in any of these contracts, the person who initiated the "assault" would be arrested, regardless of how fancy a form they had the "slave" fill out. I may not have a law degree, but I do have a Ph.D. (dissertation in progress) in Constitutional Law, so I think I have a bit of a clue when it comes to this subject.

Good luck finding people to help you with your search if you're going to insult the people who actually respond and try to help.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 7:50:47 AM)

There are things that you can do to make things more legally entangled (marriage is a great one), but in the end, one person can't own another, legally, in (I believe) the free world.

Master Fire




thetammyjo -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 8:18:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

Unfortunately not. Those pesky constitutional rights keep getting in the way of "true freedom" of slavery.

Honestly, I know of no way in the US that you can formalize slavery, aside from being declared incompetent to handle your own affairs, and even that has MAJOR ethical issues to the dominant who takes control. There might be some countries where you can formalize your slavery contract, but to be honest, if slavery is okay there, I would suspect that upon moving there "slavery" would be the least of your concerns as societies that still allow slavery don't exactly offer the greatest opportunities in most other avenues as well.



Someone on this website claimed a while back that her master told her that he had done this.

I had two big questions about that.

First, I very sure she would have to be examined by professional mental health experts to be declared incompetent so she should know if it was done not merely have his word for it. Maybe she mistyped but if not that sent up lots of red flags to me about someone lying to try and control another.

Second, why would I or anyone else for that matter want a slave who was incompetent? Aren't slave there to serve? How much service, good especially, can someone preform if they are incompetent at the level required for such a court ruling?




earthycouple -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 8:04:10 PM)

To the OP:  UM.....why the hell are you asking if you seem to know all the answers and refuse to take "no" for an answer?




pixelslave -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 9:30:12 PM)

I know of at least one Domme from a mailing list I used to participate in who lived in Germany that made financial provisions for her slave when he turned all of his assets over to her at the point in time he became her live-in slave.  She was very detail oriented and wanted to make certain that she'd covered everything should something happen to him or to her at a later time.  I thought that showed a great deal of forethought on her part in providing for his future should something ever happen.
 
That's all I have of any value to add to this thread.  Anything else to my way of thinking is really a matter of fantasy/wank material and not being grounded in reality, nor of being cognizant of the choices people have earned through the loss of blood and the many sacrifices of our ancestors which they'd presumably want us to keep in today's world. [&:]
 
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LadyHeart -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/19/2007 10:40:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: whiptheturd

Is there a place for legal power exchange enhancements to formalise the Dominant Owner and submissive slave consensual relationship association within the alternative lifestyle? 



Yes, it's called an internet chat room

:))
LH




WyckedMystress -> RE: Is there a place for legally binding power exchange enactments? (7/20/2007 7:27:39 AM)

sorry but all I can do is chuckle - very amusing




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