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ladyvoyeur -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/21/2007 11:38:58 PM)

But then again a real Master would never put his property in harms way



BitaTruble -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/21/2007 11:39:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

I notice quite often when I mention the axion of "Serve/Obey or Leave" people often take it that I mean that as a threat.


I read that more like an ultimatum than a threat but I get ya.

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Many people refer to it as a threat. I hear phrases like "The power of the dominant rests in their ability to end the relationship." or "If the slave wont do what the master wants, then the master must end the relationship."

Personally, I find this to be silly.


Interesting. I don't necessarily find those to be silly. The first one I don't believe is a truth at least not the way that I view power and the second sounds like someone trying to dictate what a Master should or should not do based on some nameless rule of thumb out of the Big Book of M/s relationships. Ok, maybe I find the second one a bit silly. ::grins::

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I think an M/S relationship is based on authority like a vanilla relationship is based on love. It wont be acceptable in a vanilla relationship to say "If you dont love me, I will leave you!" so I dont find it very acceptable to say "If you dont obey me, I will leave you".


Well, I think it's prefectly acceptable to leave a vanilla relationship because you don't love someone or they don't love you. I'm not quite getting the analogy here.

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So, therefore, I dont refer to the "Serve/Obey or Leave" as a threat, but rather as an understanding of the relationship.


You've actually lost me. Serve/Obey or Leave is different from If you don't obey me, I'll leave you? On the one hand it sounds like you are saying.. obey or leave.. and on the other hand it sounds like you are saying.. obey or leave. I'm completely confuzzled.

"My role is to give responsible and good orders and her role is to obey them. We both do our parts and the relationship works smoothly. Simple as that."

We're on the same page here and just approaching it from differing perspectives I think because that was kinda the point of my post.

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If we arent doing our parts, then we dont really have an authority dynamic and therefore we arent really a Master and slave.


Agreed again.

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Much like a cook is defined by cooking food and a mechanic is defined by repairing car, I think a Master is defined by having authority and a slave is defined by obeying that authority. If a cook didnt cook food, it would be silly to call them a cook. The same goes for a mechanic who doesnt fix any cars.


I want to make sure that I understand exactly what you mean. What I am reading is that a slave is defined (for you) by what they 'do' which is obey. I'm I getting it?

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Therefore if a slave willfully disobeys me whenever she feals like it, then it is hard for me to call them my slave.


Got it. And if she disobey's for another reason.. what then? Is it still obey or leave?

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This however is just a simple explanation and understanding of my style and the kind of dynamic I want as its developed up until now. This doesnt mean in the least that I will dump someone because they are imperfect and not "uberly obedient" and it CERTAINLY does not mean that I will ever result to using emotional blackmail like "If you dont obey me, I'll leave you."



Ok, a bit lost again but it's all good. I don't need to understand completely. I bolded the meat of this whole thing and it's exactly what I was hoping to hear so I got my wish and appreciate you taking the time to consider and repond to what I had to say rather than toss it all out as poppycock.  Thank you. :)

Celeste

edited because my bold didn't work.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 1:14:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: angelic


And as i was typing this, i was thinking what if i had an Owner who wanted me to give up my coffee?? That would be suffering!  (Ok i just added another hard limit) [8D]


I had to laugh, and trust me when I say I am joking here, but of course a slave won't suffer if she lists virtually everything she finds uncomfortable on her limit list.  [;)]

But in all seriousness, in my case, it is not that I necessarily want to suffer for him, it is that I am willing to (although I have been known to beg to do some very difficult things for him, simply because I felt driven to).  And I do not always do it happily.  There are some things he has had me do that have been downright dreadful and I didn't find joy in them at all, until later when the result of having done so was an amazing change in our relationship.  Now, just because something is dreadful doesn't mean I'm complaining about it, either.  I simply do it, without question, because he has required it of me.  There are some things I've held a deep breath for and done, without smiling, without complaining, simply bucked up and did.

And it's not that he sets out looking for things that will cause me suffering.  But he does find it more endearing to know I am willing to do whatever it takes, regardless of hardship, suffering, difficulty, whatever.  To see evidence of it simply touches his heart and likely feeds his ego as well.  Such difficulties also aid in my own growth and strength.  When I mentally run down the list of difficult and dreadful things I have accomplished for him, it seems there is nothing the world can throw at me that I can not handle.  In my particular situation, I don't see any of that as a bad thing.

But I'll agree, if he made me give up my Peets (coffee), well damn, that's suffering!  [8D]



BeingChewsie -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 5:45:20 AM)

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There are some things he has had me do that have been downright dreadful and I didn't find joy in them at all, until later when the result of having done so was an amazing change in our relationship



Hii girlie,

I think over the years I have had so many of these events, and he has changed my life so much in the positive direction that I look at orders, any orders within his scope at the end result you are talking about ...his pleasure, our relationship growing, or his business holdings growing. I do know to get me to miserable in this relationship he'd have to push into areas that hurt my little guy or remove me from my little guy and from him...that would be dreadful. I'm not sure I can say I'd come out of those hardships and trials a better person and more positive about our relationship, perhaps if he made me go through the things that would dreadful to me they would cause our relationship to be even better. 

This is like the love issue, he could get rid of me because he doesn't love me, I'm thankful caring for me is enough. He could get rid of me because the relationship is so good and positive for me that nothing he does anymore causes me to consider life with him to be "suffering", I'm thankful he doesn't. Those feelings just add to my beliefs that being his is the best thing that could of ever happened to me, which makes it even less likely to view anything he demands as hardship. We are at the point where the only way to get that effect is to go into areas that are not within his scope of ethics or needs.

If he he did demand I hurt my child and I did it or demanded I do things that land me in jail away from my kiddo and him to get me to "suffer",and I posted that to a thread here, People wouldn't be saying you are a slave because you were obedient and suffered for him. They'd be saying I was mentally ill for obeying. In fact the same people saying you need to prove ownership by getting her to do things she doesn't like or finds a hardship would be some of the loudest detractors from that position when it involved things that are -really- dreadful and the slave actually obeying those orders.



kyraofMists -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 6:02:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie
In fact the same people saying you need to prove ownership by getting her to do things she doesn't like or finds a hardship would be some of the loudest detractors from that position when it involved things that are -really- dreadful and the slave actually obeying those orders.


Maybe it is a perception issue, but I did not understand anyone to say in this thread that others needed to prove their ownership of their slaves by doing things the slave doesn't like or finds a hardship. 

What I understood is that they were saying that they enjoyed doing things that demonstrated their ownership of their slave and part of what demonstrated it was when their slave did something she didn't like or found hard to do.


Knight's Kyra



LaTigresse -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 6:34:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: angelic

Perception is a very big part of it.  If the Owner believes that suffering must occur for the slave to grow, but there is nothing the slave perceives as suffering because everything she does, she does for the Owner, gladly, happliy and without question, what then?

i am not trying to be argumentative, i am really trying to understand.

Personally, i do not need to suffer in order to grow.


From my own personal experience I can gladly, happily and without question suffer through something for him.  I do not think the concepts are mutually exclusive.  However, it may depend on how you define suffering. 

As an example, he recently made a new protocol where I have to ask permission before eating any junk food.  To add to it, a coworker's mom is visiting from Belgium and brought me a box of my favorite chocolate, Cote d'Or Black of Black Mignonnettes.  He knows this is my favorite and he satisfies his sadistic desires by having me take out a piece of chocolate, smell it and then put it back.  Just the smell makes my mouth start to water and I crave to have a piece.  The desire for the chocolate is keenly felt and I suffer through the craving.  However, the pleasure that he gets out of this just makes me laugh.

The act of him controlling this thing that I crave enhances my perception of our authority dynamic.  This fulfills me.  To crave it and be denied creates a challenge for me to work through and also creates joy in watching him be so pleased.

The dichotomy of it is not something that I try to figure out; I accept it and appreciate it for what it gives me.

Knight's Kyra


Wicked evil man!!! That is just purely ......... sadistic!

(imagine that)



BeingChewsie -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 6:49:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie
In fact the same people saying you need to prove ownership by getting her to do things she doesn't like or finds a hardship would be some of the loudest detractors from that position when it involved things that are -really- dreadful and the slave actually obeying those orders.


Maybe it is a perception issue, but I did not understand anyone to say in this thread that others needed to prove their ownership of their slaves by doing things the slave doesn't like or finds a hardship. 

What I understood is that they were saying that they enjoyed doing things that demonstrated their ownership of their slave and part of what demonstrated it was when their slave did something she didn't like or found hard to do.


Knight's Kyra



Whoops sorry it should of been "they" not "you" in that sentence. Thank you now it makes sense.

Corrected it should read:

In fact the same people saying they need to prove ownership by getting her to do things she doesn't like or finds a hardship would be some of the loudest detractors from that position when it involved things that are -really- dreadful and the slave actually obeying those orders.



KnightofMists -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 7:33:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Wicked evil man!!! That is just purely ......... sadistic!

(imagine that)


well... I am a softy too you know... I did allow her to eat one.... a nibble every 30 minutes... but she did get to eat one.  Took all day... but she finished it.

editted to add....

As I see it... I am not being sadistic... I am prolonging her enjoyment of something she loves.



angelic -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 10:00:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I had to laugh, and trust me when I say I am joking here, but of course a slave won't suffer if she lists virtually everything she finds uncomfortable on her limit list.  [;)]

But in all seriousness, in my case, it is not that I necessarily want to suffer for him, it is that I am willing to (although I have been known to beg to do some very difficult things for him, simply because I felt driven to).  And I do not always do it happily.  There are some things he has had me do that have been downright dreadful and I didn't find joy in them at all, until later when the result of having done so was an amazing change in our relationship.  Now, just because something is dreadful doesn't mean I'm complaining about it, either.  I simply do it, without question, because he has required it of me.  There are some things I've held a deep breath for and done, without smiling, without complaining, simply bucked up and did.

And it's not that he sets out looking for things that will cause me suffering.  But he does find it more endearing to know I am willing to do whatever it takes, regardless of hardship, suffering, difficulty, whatever.  To see evidence of it simply touches his heart and likely feeds his ego as well.  Such difficulties also aid in my own growth and strength.  When I mentally run down the list of difficult and dreadful things I have accomplished for him, it seems there is nothing the world can throw at me that I can not handle.  In my particular situation, I don't see any of that as a bad thing.

But I'll agree, if he made me give up my Peets (coffee), well damn, that's suffering!  [8D]


Yep..  Step away from my coffee! ;)

Again, it is one's definition of suffering.  You do things for your Master because He is your Master.  Yes they may be difficult, but there is an end to it and (most importantly) there is a reason for it.  Even if the reason is simply it will please him.  From what you have posted in the past, he is very secure in his ownership of you and does not need to prove it to himself or you.  

i have difficulty with Owners that have to have tangible proof that they own their property.  And i willingly admit i cannot get my head wrapped around that concept as being anything more than insecurity.

And to clarify an earlier post about how i think it starts in your heart and mind.  For me, it starts in my mind.  It is easier to get into my heart than it is to get into my head.  As an example, my former master is no longer in my heart.  He is, however, very much still in my head, now the thought process has changed from when he owned me, but he does indeed flit through my brain on a regular basis.  So the reverse is also true, it is easier for me to get 'you' out of my heart than it is my head. 






angelic -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 10:06:28 AM)

Actually, krya the OP does state in his 3rd paragraph he needs tangible evidence of his ownership.  "I  like knowing, in some real and objectvie way, that I actually do own my slave.  . . .  I like to share my slaves because it makes tangible the fact that they are property."  



ownedgirlie -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 10:17:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie


Hii girlie,

I think over the years I have had so many of these events, and he has changed my life so much in the positive direction that I look at orders, any orders within his scope at the end result you are talking about ...his pleasure, our relationship growing, or his business holdings growing. I do know to get me to miserable in this relationship he'd have to push into areas that hurt my little guy or remove me from my little guy and from him...that would be dreadful. I'm not sure I can say I'd come out of those hardships and trials a better person and more positive about our relationship, perhaps if he made me go through the things that would dreadful to me they would cause our relationship to be even better. 


Hi back atcha, Chewsie :)

I understand where you're coming from, and am pretty much at that place you are - that the overall result makes such things not so dreadful.  But I wasn't talking about misery - I don't recall ever being miserable in the relationship, although some of those dreadful things made me miserable in the moment.  That's different than being miserable in the relationship, though.    Of course the terms "dreadful" and "suffering" are subjective.  The most I have suffered has been from my ex-husband, who stole motherhood from me and is still causing me misery.  And even then, I've grown from it, but goodness....there's a limit!  [8D]

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This is like the love issue, he could get rid of me because he doesn't love me, I'm thankful caring for me is enough. He could get rid of me because the relationship is so good and positive for me that nothing he does anymore causes me to consider life with him to be "suffering", I'm thankful he doesn't. Those feelings just add to my beliefs that being his is the best thing that could of ever happened to me, which makes it even less likely to view anything he demands as hardship. We are at the point where the only way to get that effect is to go into areas that are not within his scope of ethics or needs.


I get this and I thank you for explaining so clearly.  This actually helps me understand where you were coming from on the other thread.

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If he he did demand I hurt my child and I did it or demanded I do things that land me in jail away from my kiddo and him to get me to "suffer",and I posted that to a thread here, People wouldn't be saying you are a slave because you were obedient and suffered for him. They'd be saying I was mentally ill for obeying. In fact the same people saying you need to prove ownership by getting her to do things she doesn't like or finds a hardship would be some of the loudest detractors from that position when it involved things that are -really- dreadful and the slave actually obeying those orders.


I'm in agreement with you that suffering does not define slavery.  But I will add that it is part of what some slavery dynamics include.  "Acts" do not define ownership.   When I see Taggard saying he likes to prove it to himself, I actually see that as it makes him feel good, and it feeds his ego.  If he likes it, I see no issue with it.  His slaves, his choice on what to do with them.  I'm likely to believe they know this going into it.

Thanks for your post :) 



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 10:21:27 AM)

Re: Tangible Proof

I get that.  And I've always understood that there really a lot of people who NEED to feel suffering and NEED to know suffering is occurring as a way to validate and satisfy within them.  I'm actually very fine with that and had that as a basic foundation of all of my previous Ms relationships.

What I don't get is people saying that suffering is somehow MORE/BETTER/DEEPER/REALER/TRUER way of validation than looking into eachothers eyes and knowing exactly what the other is thinking and knowing you're thinking exactly the same thing.

Whatever works for you- but your way of suffering is no deeper than my way of not suffering.



angelic -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 10:23:59 AM)

LA i am standing and clapping.  Thank you.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 10:33:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: angelic

Yep..  Step away from my coffee! ;)


Ha.  I'm nursing a Peets as I write.

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Again, it is one's definition of suffering.  You do things for your Master because He is your Master.  Yes they may be difficult, but there is an end to it and (most importantly) there is a reason for it.  Even if the reason is simply it will please him.  From what you have posted in the past, he is very secure in his ownership of you and does not need to prove it to himself or you.  

You have defined my Master and I correctly although I'm confused by your statement of "there is an end to it."  Do you mean an end to the yucky task he is having me do at the time?  While true, that does not necessarily end the task, in that he is likely to repeat it.  Just as in slave sharing, it is an act that has an end to it but will likely be repeated.

I should add, I think it would be hot as hell to be shared, but he is very particular about that, and so far has not allowed anyone to penetrate with anything other than an object of his choosing, although he has allowed and will continue to allow other forms of "play."   The idea of another male fucking any part of me with his own anatomy is unappealing to my Master and not likely to happen, even though he enjoys my response when he threatens it. Now a female on the other hand...lol...he's not so opposed to that.

But getting back to your point, and at the risk of creating one of those "depends what the dictionary says" posts, I believe proving something to oneself may or may not be a sign of insecurity.  I had to prove my submission to him (for myself) many times in the first year or two.  Because I didn't beleive myself at first.  Was I "real?"  Did I really mean all these things I was saying?  Etc.  I won't argue whether or not that was insecurity - I was really insecure at first!  But doing that helped solidify who I was in the relationship (for my own peace of mind) and eventually brought me to a point where I realized this is who I am, and doing what I do is being true to myself.  But it took awhile for that.  And I did test.  And I did request difficult things to prove it to myself.

Perhaps it's part of his own journey as a Master. 

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i have difficulty with Owners that have to have tangible proof that they own their property.  And i willingly admit i cannot get my head wrapped around that concept as being anything more than insecurity.

I am curious why it bothers you.  If working through an insecurity later makes him a better slave owner, is that a bad thing?  Or is your concern about the welfare of a slave who has an insecure owner?  But if the slave knows and understands this is part of her place, is it really bad for her welfare?  What if it is better for her in the long run, too?

Not trying to challenge you, but these are questions I tend to ask myself before deciding if something is bad for someone else.  Then again, I may have misunderstood your difficulty as well.

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And to clarify an earlier post about how i think it starts in your heart and mind.  For me, it starts in my mind.  It is easier to get into my heart than it is to get into my head.  As an example, my former master is no longer in my heart.  He is, however, very much still in my head, now the thought process has changed from when he owned me, but he does indeed flit through my brain on a regular basis.  So the reverse is also true, it is easier for me to get 'you' out of my heart than it is my head. 



I had walls up protecting both heart and mind.  But he grabbed my mind first, no doubt.    And I agree that it's harder to get someone out of your head than your heart. 

Thanks for your reply.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 10:34:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Whatever works for you- but your way of suffering is no deeper than my way of not suffering.


Hi LA,

I didn't see anyone making those "better than you" comparisons here.  Maybe I missed it.  Coffee hasn't kicked in yet...

But I AM better ya know....heheheh  [8D]



angelic -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 10:59:53 AM)

First off, i suck at the quote thing so i will not  quote you or it will look like a complete and total mess! LOL

Yes, i meant that the 'task' had an end, i most certainly was not suggesting your  relationship had an end.

This might help (or not) ;)  i view suffering as a continued and unending (for the foreseeable future) hurt.  For example, folks in Third World countries suffer on a daily basis and they see no end to that suffering. 

A yucky task is just that (to me)... simply a task i may not be enjoying at that moment.  Even if it is repeated, there is an end to that "task".  Now, if the task truly screwed with my head in a not so good way,  i might have difficulty doing it the next time and might start viewing it as 'suffering'. 

You spoke about insecurity, but it was the insecurity in yourself you questioned... not his. 

It does not really 'bother' me that the OP has to have tangible evidence.  i am merely joining in this really great discussion and posting my views as i see them. And hopefully all know that everything i say is merely my opinion and not based on any fact except my own life.

i did not see where he was posting as a way to work through an insecurity, i actually think he's very comfortable in his own skin and his requirements of tangible proof. i just happen to disagree with them. ;)  i, me, myself, etc.. view the 'act' of needing tangible evidence to be a sign of insecurity. Others may not.

Thank you for responding.  i actually love these sorts of discussions. 

And as an aside, has anyone else noticed this thread has gone 9 or 10 pages and it has been relatively drama free!!!  (gads i hope i did not just jinx it) . 



ownedgirlie -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 11:44:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: angelic
And as an aside, has anyone else noticed this thread has gone 9 or 10 pages and it has been relatively drama free!!!  (gads i hope i did not just jinx it) . 


Whao boy, now you did it.  Ha.

Thanks for your post.  I understand what you are saying now, particularly about an end to suffering, etc.   

And to clarify, yes, I spoke of insecurity in myself, as an example of how some may process through their own insecurities, (such as the OP). 

I agree - great discussion :)



babygirl005 -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 12:41:52 PM)

my Master is the most wonderful Man i have ever met.  His greatest joy is knowing that i am happy. Never does a day go by that He does not show me in a hundred ways how much He loves me. He would never harm me in any way and i know that.  Does that mean, (because He wants me to be happy and that He loves me) that i am not owned by Him?

He owns me heart, body and soul.  i strive daily to become a better slave for Him.  Regularly He pushes my limits.  Yes, i do things for Him that i would rather not do.  But i entered into this relationship freely and willingly.  i want Him to push my limits.  Because i want to be what He would have me be for Him.  The more i am able to go past my "limits" the more owned i feel.  So i guess in that way it is a mental thing.  But it is also a day to day tangible ownership.  Such as rubbing His feet.  Do i feel like rubbing His feet when i have been on my feet for 12 hours at work and am dead tired.  No i don't!  But i do it because He wants me to and it makes Him happy.

What is really wonderful is that we all can define our relationships by what works for us.  i think there is always someone out there that is compatible with another.  It has been wonderful for me, that Master and i are on the same page.  i would never judge how another feels or views the way they want their relationship to be.  i say if it works for you and your partner, then go for it. 



kyraofMists -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 2:49:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelic

Actually, krya the OP does state in his 3rd paragraph he needs tangible evidence of his ownership.  "I  like knowing, in some real and objectvie way, that I actually do own my slave.  . . .  I like to share my slaves because it makes tangible the fact that they are property."  


But he didn't say that others needed to prove their ownership in tangible ways and that was the perspective that I had.

I also wanted to address the perception of insecurity.  Do you see a difference between being insecure as an individual and needing to build security within a relationship?  I see a very distinct difference and a person can be highly secure within themselves and still need to take steps to gain security within a relationship. 

For myself, I am secure as a person (I have my insecurities like most people do) but when the relationship began with my Lord and Alandra security within it was not automatic and conscious steps had to be taken to build it.  From Taggard's many posts on this board, he does not strike me as an insecure person and I see his need and desire for tangible proof of ownership as his need and desire to build security within his relationship.

I needed to have security within my relationship for it to be healthy and happy.  I need to be secure in my place in his life as his slave.  Part of gaining that security was knowing that he was going to do what he wanted as long as it did not harm me or our relationship.  Not that he was going to do what he wanted as long as I agreed with it or liked it.  The knowing came from actual demonstrations of him doing what he wants to do even if it causes me pain.  This built security within our relationship for both me and him.  It may not be a method that other people choose to use but it worked for us.

I also needed to know that he was willing to say no to me.  My father was not able to say no to me and my brother and that caused me to stop asking for things that I wanted.  I need those boundaries and I like for them to be drawn.  My Lord views asking for what I want as actively transfering authority to him and it is highly desirable to him.  However, he had to demonstrate that he was capable of saying no if that was something that he did not want for me so that I could build security in actively transfering authority to him.  Now I am completely comfortable and secure in communicating my desires and wants to him.  I ask for things all the time and sometimes he says yes and sometimes he says no.  They are satisfied at his whim and not at mine. 

While I can appreciate how the desire for tangible proof may be about security, I think the distinction is that it is not necessarily about personal insecurity but about building security within a relationship.

I agree, this has been a great drama free discussion.

Knight's Kyra



kyraofMists -> RE: Are you really owned if you are not treated like property? (7/22/2007 2:55:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Wicked evil man!!! That is just purely ......... sadistic!

(imagine that)


I knew you would completely appreciate my pain!!!!

I think it was about 2 days after he made this new rule that I was handed all the chocolate.  At first I forgot and was so excited; it had been more than a year since I have had a Black of Black.  When I remembered I almost cried....

Of course, I can be just as cruel as he can.  I went to visit last weekend and he had made a tormenting comment that he might have me bring up all the chocolate so that he could keep it and ship it to me when he wanted me to have a piece.  Nothing else was said about it and after I got on the first plane, I called him up and reminded him that he forgot to instruct me to bring it  *g* 

I get a sadistic little thrill out of thwarting his sadistic pleasures sometimes...  such a bad slave I am  *eg*

Knight's Kyra



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