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Easily Marked - 7/22/2007 2:56:02 PM   
Leam


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In this post I am looking for information and opinion. I have done some research and haven't really found what applies to me.

My Master and I are wanting to partake in some flogging and other naughty activities, however, I mark exceptionally easy. I've been known to carry innocent marks for up to four years (not scars, mind you) and am not wanting to looking like a warzone for the next couple of years. Might be kind of difficult to explain to the doctor and mother!

If you have any experience in how to lessen the duration of time marks last, or how to prevent them from being as prevelent (without overly taking away from the experience) I would love to hear from you.

~Leis
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RE: Easily Marked - 7/23/2007 6:11:34 PM   
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Everyone's skin/body is different.  Most of the time it's genetic, but your overall health and diet can have an effect.  You may benefit from vitamins.  Are you very pale?  A good tan may hide a little. 

Unfortunately I am the opposite, things that Daddy has done in the past left other submissives black and blue, on me however there may be little or no bruising.  Usually it takes a good lashing with the singletail to leave any mark at all.

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RE: Easily Marked - 7/23/2007 6:37:19 PM   
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quote:

I've been known to carry innocent marks for up to four years

I think you are talking about abrasions, because if bruises lasted that long you probably have a severe blood disorder.  So, I would suggest that you oil your skin a bit before play.  Also try to focus on types of play that are less likely to abrade the skin.  Use floggers that don't have knots, and paddles instead of canes. 

You can also get certain types of lotion that supposedly strengthen skin. I don't have alot of faith in them.  You are better off altering your diet I think.  I'm no nutritionist though.

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RE: Easily Marked - 7/23/2007 9:03:23 PM   
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Massage the skin and get the blood worked up, do regular exercise, massage the skin AFTER the play, use arnica and aspirin afterwards and drink lots of water.

As for explaining it
a)  your attitude will shine through more than anything, so project an attitude of confidence and not shame to anyone and that will likely be the end of it
b) who the heck cares about your mom questioning marks?  Again, project confidence and remind yourself that you're an adult now

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RE: Easily Marked - 7/23/2007 10:07:15 PM   
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quote:

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My Master and I are wanting to partake in some flogging and other naughty activities, however, I mark exceptionally easy. I've been known to carry innocent marks for up to four years (not scars, mind you) and am not wanting to looking like a warzone for the next couple of years. Might be kind of difficult to explain to the doctor and mother!

Others have commented, and all seem to have the same difficulty understanding what you mean by 'marks'.  All common marks that might be caused by flogging should be healed and gone LONG before 4 years pass.

The most common "mark" would be the common bruise or ecchymosis which is merely a limited subcutaneous hemorrhage which will resorb by the body within a period of weeks. 

In the case of a larger focal hemorrhage, such as a hematoma, the pool of blood can be larger & more aggregated, and take a bit longer to resorb.  After a sports injury, my worst hematoma took over 5 weeks to resorb.

One suggestion was that you are referring to an abrasion.  However, broken skin, of any type (laceration, abrasion, etc) can be expected to heal within a matter of days to weeks.  I've watched a 10" long x 4" deep (he was FAT) incision through the chest wall & all the way down to the heart heal by second intention within 2 months.  So a 4 year healing time for an abrasion or any other break in the skin is highly abnormal.

A Vitamin C (& co-factors, such as Rutin & Hesperidin) deficiency will increase capillary fragility and cause easier bruising, but not the healing/resorption afterwards.

A Vitamin K deficiency impedes clotting and will make bleeding last longer ... but not slow the healing/resorption afterwards.

I can only deduce that you might be very, very fair-skinned, and any small discoloration is more obvious on you.  But, that said, you should still heal much faster than you report.   I'm sure I've missed some other factors, but if you are having abrasions, lacerations, ecchymoses lasting for years, you really, really need to have the problem diagnosed. 

Then we have wheals, which can be caused by many implements, but most obviously by canes and some quirts.  These are more complicated than simple ecchymoses but still should heal & disappear within a few weeks.

If your trace minerals are outta whack (Mn, Mg, etc) you could develop 'stretch marks' where the connective tissue in the skin stretches apart & doesn't have the nutritional support to snap back afterwards.  Ask anyone who has been pregnant, is older, or has lost 100# about their stretch marks; they aren't going away.

Then we have scars or cicatrices which, if small, can totally disappear in a matter of  6-7 years.  If large, they'll never go away. 

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If you have any experience in how to lessen the duration of time marks last, or how to prevent them from being as prevelent (without overly taking away from the experience) I would love to hear from you.
~Leis


As to prevention: make sure you have taken daily Vit C for a week or 2 before playing -- and NOT just ascorbic acid -- you need a whole Vit C w/ at least the 9 co-factors.  Any health-nut store should be able to fix you up with a complete C.  At the same time, large doses of Ascorbic Acid can cause kidney stones if  you don't drink enough water while taking it (generally considered a problem if you are taking more than 5 grams a day, but individuals may have problems with smaller doses).

Vit K cream (used by plastic surgeons to speed resolution of ecchymoses after face lifts) can be helpful after a bruise develops BUT can be dangerous if you need to take warfarin/coumadin for any reason.  This said, it's obvious that you will bruise more easily if you are on anti-coagulants for some condition.

There are also some industrial & environmental exposures (such as heavy metals) that can affect clotting time &/or bleeding & skin discoloration, which would potentiate easier marking.  Obviously, my suspicion is that you have some hereditary or congenital condition that you need know more about.

Things to consider by the Dom during play to prevent marking: avoid wrapping by singletails or flogs.  Avoid supersonic hits such as with singletails.  Avoid hardened leathers, esp with squared edges (such as some crops, flogs) since the squared edge can be the focus of impulse force.  Softer leathers (deer & elk) may be friendlier BUT if swung with full force & allowed to wrap, can bruise just as easily.  Furred leathers (such as rabbit flogs) can lead to less marking BUT, if you use them heavily, they can give a great "thud" of sensation.  But if you mark easily, that thud could cause deeper injury, and you won't know about that until you get diagnosed. 

For starters, I'd think a capillary fragility test & a bleeding time, as well as PT, PTT, INR would be nice to evaluate.  After that, the various clotting factors would be open to exploration.  A family history of hemophilia would be relevant, and if this 'marking' has developed more recently, then other blood dyscrasias have to be considered.

Obviously, if we've all totally misunderstood what you mean by "marks", then you need to clarify.

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RE: Easily Marked - 7/24/2007 2:02:16 PM   
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Leam,

I totally understand the longterm marking from simple trauma.  I had my legged bumped by a man with a briefcase.  I developed a huge bruise that continued to get harder to touch over time.  (The tissue beneath died from the trauma)  It took several years to heal.  I have a divot in my leg now where the blood and dead tissue resorbed.  It is an extreme example but it was my worst.  I had an undiagnosed bleeding disorder.  Generally speaking I do not require any treatment but my daughter does. 
You may have Von Willebrand's Disease.  It's not really a disease but a lack of clotting factor.  VWD should be diagnosed by a local hemophilia center or hematologist.  Many people with VWD require no treatment or are able to keep their clotting factor levels up from simple birth control pills.  But there are some like my daughter who require a synthetic drug or infusions of clotting factor.
As far as prevention it depends on the cause for your marks.  If VWD is the cause then you may need to treat with a nasal spray prior to play and the following day. 
Play hard but, play safe is my motto.

Pet.

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RE: Easily Marked - 7/24/2007 9:59:30 PM   
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I agree with many posters that you may have a pretty significant vitamin deficiency or medical issue. A good holistic doc can help you boost your healing powers. I am really fair, and my marks heal faster than I'd like sometimes! I'd make it a practice to confine them to areas easily kept under cover with clothing. Get some ready remarks together for when someone asks - like that pesky piece of furniture that you keep running into, that thing you trip over, caught in the weight machine at the gym, door hit you, dog jumped on your back while laying down, walk thru thorny bushes, etc.

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RE: Easily Marked - 7/28/2007 2:13:31 AM   
Leam


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Thank you very much for your responses. It has proven for some interesting thoughts and I'll be looking farther into some of the suggestions. I think we will have a good time and look forward to it!

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RE: Easily Marked - 7/29/2007 3:58:33 PM   
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I wish I had this problem! I rare change colors or mark! :(

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