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darkinshadows -> Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 1:18:14 AM)

I was contemplating adding something here, and now, seeing as I was kindly asked about it in another thread, I am takng the plunge.

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Like slavery and aparthied, poverty is not natural. It is manmade and it can be overcome and erradicated by the actions of human beings.
Nelson Mandela Feb 2005


'MAKE POVERTY HISTORY isn't about charity, it is about justice.'
This isn't just about the G8 conference that occurs, but its something that has been building up over a number of years across the world.
It is a collection of over 400 organisations from trade unions to faith organsiations to celebrities to charieties. It is part of a coalition of groups worldwide under the title of The Global Call To Action Against Poverty(GCAP).

It isn't 'just about Africa' - it is about poverty worldwide. From Africas poverty and AIDS crisis to the council estates of Glasgow, to the slums in Bolivia.

As I said before, it isn't just because of the G8 summit which occurs in about 3 weeks in Scotland. The whole process began years ago, cheifly via the Jubilee 2000 movement. But 2005 is a major year. As well as the G8 conference(who's headline discussion this agenda is poverty and development, Britain also takes over the presidency of the EU, plus it is the 20th anniversary of Live Aid. The World Trade Organisation also meets in December this year.

Most importantly, it is 5 years since the Millenium Promise, when every single country commited to halving world poverty by 2015. At the current time, the goal seems to be failing, and this situation is to be discussed in New York in the Fall at the UN Millenium Development Goals Summit. 2005 is the make or break year.

In 1970, rich nations agreed to spend 0.7% of their national income on development aid. It still has not come to pass. If the UK alone met their target, by 2008 1.5 million people could beat poverty that year.

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The War against terror is bound up in the war against poverty

Colin Powel




What can You do?
Join and lend your support to Make Poverty History
Email and tell all You know about MAKING POVERTY HISTORY and its website
Email Your Prime Minister or President
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Write to your local MP or political representative about your support for Making Poverty History.
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Make Poverty History

The Global Call To Action Against Poverty(GCAP).

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Christian Aid
Save The Children
World Vision


I know that some people may view this as pointless. But even the smallest amount of support can make a difference.
The WHOLE world is beautiful, so are the people in it - cherish it - support it - be part of it.

Peace and Love


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''Overcoming poverty is not a gesture of charity. It is an act of Justice. It is the protection of a fundemental human right, the right to dignity and to a decent life...

The steps that are needed from the developed nations are clear. The first is ensuring trade justice. The second is to end the debt crisis for the poorest countries. The thrid is to deliver much more aid and make sure it is of the highest quality...

The G8 Leaders, when they meet in Scotland in July, have already promised to focus on the issue of poverty, especially in Africa.

I say to all those leaders: do not look the other way; do not hesitate. Recognise that the world is hungry for action, not words. Act with courage and vision...

Sometimes it falls on a generation to be great. You can be that great generation. Let your greatness blossom.

Of course, the task will not be easy. But not to do this would be a crime against humanity, against which I ask all humanity now to rise up.

Make Poverty History in 2005. Make History in 2005. And then we can all stand with out heads held high.''

Nelson Mandela 2005


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LadyAngelika -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 10:35:58 AM)

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I know that some people may view this as pointless. But even the smallest amount of support can make a difference.
The WHOLE world is beautiful, so are the people in it - cherish it - support it - be part of it.


Thank you for this angel. I'll look into what I can do locally to be a part of the solution.

- LA




onceburned -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 1:53:13 PM)

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Thank you for this angel. I'll look into what I can do locally to be a part of the solution.


Yes, and thanks should go to both of you. Here is one more quote (from my college years):

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Think globally, Act locally

Rene Dubos, science adviser to the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment in 1972




darkinshadows -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 3:27:21 PM)

To Lady A and to Chris, a huge thank you for just reading about Making Poverty History and taking a step in your own town.

I wanted to add this website for those in the USA

ONE
Peace and Love




Youtalkingtome -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 4:47:15 PM)

dark~angel
I have to assume that the U.S.A. spends more money on the poverty problem than any other country.We lend more money than any other country and forgive the dept from the loans more than any other country.
In a much different and bad way our big businesses are leaving our country do to the expence of doing business here and moving to poor countries for profit.But in making that profit they are employing poor people.Is it wrong to make people work for money?
And the celebrities need to put up or shut up.They need to share more of the millions that they have.
I am sure after reading this you think I am an asshole.I just think that people need to do more that talk about problems.Poverty is a bad thing.In third world countries the Goverment is the problem.It isn't that they don't get money.They don't share it.They hord it for themselves.And untill we get rid of the bad Goverments this will continue to happen.But you are not for war so how would you get rid of the bad Governments??
I am against poverty as much as you are!!But I am tired of my hard erned money being taken from me and sent to other countries!!! We need to take care of ourselves first because if we don't we won't have anything to give.




lonewolf05 -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 5:49:36 PM)


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I am against poverty as much as you are!!But I am tired of my hard erned money being taken from me and sent to other countries!!! We need to take care of ourselves first because if we don't we won't have anything to give.


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and ''i'' do not want to sound mean hearted, OR bitter...
but we have our own people, esp vets, living on the street, (as i am living out of my van), and there is no way to afford good housing on $700 a month.

sorry. my 2 cents.




onceburned -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 5:54:01 PM)

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I am against poverty as much as you are!!But I am tired of my hard erned money being taken from me and sent to other countries!!! We need to take care of ourselves first


The United States spent $321.6 billion dollars last year just to pay interest on the national debt. This is 10% of federal budget. We are running our government on credit - and a big chunk of the money we pay on interest goes overseas.

The tax dollars that we send overseas in the form of interest payments greatly exceed the tax dollars spent on foreign anti-poverty programs. Perhaps our government should try to live within its means if we are serious about stopping the transfer of American taxes to persons overseas.

But perhaps we also need to realize that government is not the answer to all problems. We need to get off our behinds and get involved.




Youtalkingtome -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 7:32:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: onceburned

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I am against poverty as much as you are!!But I am tired of my hard erned money being taken from me and sent to other countries!!! We need to take care of ourselves first


The United States spent $321.6 billion dollars last year just to pay interest on the national debt. This is 10% of federal budget. We are running our government on credit - and a big chunk of the money we pay on interest goes overseas.

The tax dollars that we send overseas in the form of interest payments greatly exceed the tax dollars spent on foreign anti-poverty programs. Perhaps our government should try to live within its means if we are serious about stopping the transfer of American taxes to persons overseas.

But perhaps we also need to realize that government is not the answer to all problems. We need to get off our behinds and get involved.

onceburned,
Finally we are in aggreement on something.




Youtalkingtome -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 7:35:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lonewolf05


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I am against poverty as much as you are!!But I am tired of my hard erned money being taken from me and sent to other countries!!! We need to take care of ourselves first because if we don't we won't have anything to give.


=======
and ''i'' do not want to sound mean hearted, OR bitter...
but we have our own people, esp vets, living on the street, (as i am living out of my van), and there is no way to afford good housing on $700 a month.

sorry. my 2 cents.


Sorry to hear that.Have you thought of you moving to another state where rent is cheaper?




perverseangelic -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 7:39:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Youtalkingtome

Sorry to hear that.Have you thought of you moving to another state where rent is cheaper?


The problem with that is then you have to go through the job search again. I was lucky enough to find mostly affordable housing, but were I to move to a cheaper place, I'd have to start over at min. wage.

Too, people like college students are a captive market. We -can't- go anywhere




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/26/2005 11:24:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dark~angel
I know that some people may view this as pointless. But even the smallest amount of support can make a difference.
The WHOLE world is beautiful, so are the people in it - cherish it - support it - be part of it.
Peace and Love
quote:

''Overcoming poverty is not a gesture of charity. It is an act of Justice. It is the protection of a fundemental human right, the right to dignity and to a decent life...


Angel, I'm very touched by your great spirit... I definitely strive to become more generous of spirit.
Thanks for posting this.. M




darkinshadows -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/27/2005 1:16:23 AM)

I do know that the USA gives substancial aid, yes... although it is just a fraction of what other countries give in percentage(I don't have the exact figures, but I do remember seeing them, I will try and find them) This isn't meant to be condecending or picky btw.

It isn't wrong for people to work for their money. That's why no money is being asked for. But your support, your letters, your campaigning all assists a cause for justice. Yes, making poverty history is about Africa - but its also about India and Bolivia and even your own back yard.

Its about basic human rights to be able to live, eat and be educated.

It is so very easy to be cynical over these celebraty ads. However, many of these celebraties do give money - but they are giving much more than money - they are gving up their time. It isn't just about money, its about going out to these countries and giving support. It's about supporting the people in these countires.

I do not see you as being an asshole. You are raising some extremely valid and well thought out points, without which, we could not be having this conversation on How to Make Poverty History.

And yes, you are correct, there are corrupt governements. Unfortuantely corrupt government and poverty sustain each other. To gain a fairer government, people need to be able to concentrate on more than just where their next meal is, or how to afford those vital medical expenses. The education has to be provided so that they can learn to read and understand just exactly is going on in their governments. Books, newspapers televisions and the internet need to be provided so that they can see whats happening outside their own village and country. Poor education leads to more poverty and a higher risk of illness. War and invading countries isn't always the answer because ultimately, again, the poorest people suffer. It isn't all about giving money so that these corrupt govenments can line their own pockets. It is about providing schools and teachers and books and water facilities and medical equipment so this can assist people to find out - and to be able to be educated so they can take control of their own lives and destinies. It is in a way, a war - only an intellectual one rather than a bomb all targets.


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Not giving aid because there have been examples of corruption would be like closing down all companies because Enron cheated.


Peace and Love




darkinshadows -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/27/2005 1:30:52 AM)

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''i'' do not want to sound mean hearted, OR bitter...
but we have our own people, esp vets, living on the street, (as i am living out of my van), and there is no way to afford good housing on $700 a month.

sorry. my 2 cents.


No need to apologise. Yes, MPH is about Dropping the Debt, but it is also about stopping poverty worldwide. It's up to us to write to our governments, take action for all people, including those like yourself who should be able and allowed to work, so that housing is affordable(not that all houses are sold off to multi nationals to line the fat cats pockets), and that children even in the rich countires like the US have not just education but EXCELLENT education that is the same as all those private schools and universities that the multinational bosses get to send their children to. That people like perverse can get the education they need without having to work all hours just to sustain her education. That the disabled have the same rights to access areas that everyone else does.

Peace and Love




Youtalkingtome -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/27/2005 8:01:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic


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ORIGINAL: Youtalkingtome

Sorry to hear that.Have you thought of you moving to another state where rent is cheaper?


The problem with that is then you have to go through the job search again. I was lucky enough to find mostly affordable housing, but were I to move to a cheaper place, I'd have to start over at min. wage.

Too, people like college students are a captive market. We -can't- go anywhere

I understand your problem.I often think about selling my house and quitting my job and moving to other state.But because Real Estate is less expencive here I wouldn't have the money to buy a house in another state and I would make less money.So I wouldn't have what I have.I have worked very hard to get what I have and work just as hard to keep it.




Youtalkingtome -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/27/2005 8:13:42 AM)

I understand where you are coming from.I give in person locally by volunteering more time at my work because of what I do for work.And I give to charities in the form of money.I have it taken out of my pay every week. I can choose what charities I want to have it.That is above and beyond what is taken without my consent in the form of taxes.
The problem I have is when it is taken in the form of taxes.
This is a question I like to ask.
At what rate of taxation would you concider yourself to be a slave to your Government 50%,60%,70%,80%,90% or 100% of your income?????
I ask this to all that read this!




Youtalkingtome -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/27/2005 8:41:30 PM)

dark~angel I owe you an apoligy.I didn't mean to high jack your thread.It was a good thing that you did here.Just not for U.S. tax payers.
I think I asked the,at what rate of taxation question in another thread a while back and didn't get an answer.And I don't want people to answer it in this thread.If someone wants to answer the question answer it in the nation out of control thread please.




brightspot -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/28/2005 12:42:36 AM)

There are many many paople living on
the streets of our country(USA), Vets yes,
but also the disabled, some people having
had a string of bad luck and lot's more on the list
being women and children, in places with really cold
Fricken Winters!
I hate the fact our Government spends so much on the
Space program or Fighting assinine Wars!.
Do you know how many Millions it has cost to send the
Rovers to Mars? Yes it is spectacular to see Mars up-close
and to investagate whether it may have ever sustained life.....
But......
Please let's try and take care of people and mend things
here on earth First!


*Brightspot





BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/28/2005 7:36:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: brightspot
I hate the fact our Government spends so much on the
Space program or Fighting assinine Wars!.
Do you know how many Millions it has cost to send the
Rovers to Mars? Yes it is spectacular to see Mars up-close
and to investagate whether it may have ever sustained life.....
But......
Please let's try and take care of people and mend things
here on earth First!
*Brightspot

I've never understood how that can be either, but it's among soooo many things that don't make sense, so... M




Faramir -> RE: Make Poverty History (6/30/2005 12:54:55 PM)

The tragedy here is so many good-willed people, who want to end poverty, actively pursuing policy that either doesn't affect poverty, or worsens it.

For example, the TJM is such a mixed bag - debt cacellation makes a ton of sense (even more sense would be stopping foreign aid boondogles that get countries into debt in the first place). The same people think trade - volunatry, bilateral exhchange of goods and services - "destroy's local economies." Ye Gods! Why do you curse us with this sort of thing? Yea - we want people to stay poor - change is bad. Yeesh.

You know what? With a few exceptions, the US has a rigged game that keeps poor countries from freely engaging in trade with us. If a foreigner wants to say, sell a shirt in the US, they have to make it, ship it, and market it for 33 cents less on the dollar to compete with an American manufacturer. That's a barrier between producers that makes both sides poorer - but we are so wealthy that small knockdown in wealth doesn't hurt to bad - it kills poor countries.

How about instead of trying destroy other country's economies with Keynsians demandside policies that failed in the US when tried, let's:

-Lobby for debt forgiveness
-Lobby for an end to foreign aid loans - they are boondoogles meant to enrich lenders
-Lobby for an end to all US tariff barriers to imports
-Lobby for US monetary stability (like a new Bretton Woods)
-Stop trying to get other counties to follow US tax policy from the 70s. It sucked for us.

That right there would wipe out the Third World - we'd all be First World.




darkinshadows -> RE: Make Poverty History-UPDATE (7/1/2005 2:40:34 AM)



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