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Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/24/2007 2:16:50 PM

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Proof that smoking has the potential to kill non-smokers.

The amazing thing about this story is that it happened in London, in a wine bar no less, and not NYC.

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A former heavyweight boxing champion was shot after asking three men to stop smoking in a wine bar.

James Oyebola, 47, was having a drink in the garden area of the venue when a dispute erupted over the new smoking ban. One of the men pulled out a gun and fired at point-blank range into his face and leg.
Witnesses said Nigerian-born Mr Oyebola had politely stepped in to help staff who had asked the three men to observe the smoking ban. One said: 'He wasn't being aggressive. He pointed out that smoking was now against the law.
'He was just being a good citizen but the three saw it as a sign of disrespect. On their way out one pulled a gun and started firing at James.'
The suspects, said to be three black men, ran off after the shooting shortly before 1am on Monday. A handgun was found nearby. Source: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23405562-details/Boxing+champion+shot+in+the+head+for+saying+'don't+smoke'/article.do

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/24/2007 7:02:16 PM

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Obviously this is nonsense.

1. there is a smoking ban that prohibits an individual from lighting up, and

2. there is active and prohibitive gun control in England so criminals can't access guns.

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/24/2007 7:18:56 PM

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As I'm sometimes forced to explain (usually while standing outdoors), the cigarette is there to keep my strangling hand busy.

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/24/2007 7:58:30 PM

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And people think *I'm* bitchy when I can't smoke for long periods of time, to be {courteous} of the non-smokers???? Sheesh, lol

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 9:29:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Proof that smoking has the potential to kill non-smokers.

The amazing thing about this story is that it happened in London, in a wine bar no less, and not NYC.

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A former heavyweight boxing champion was shot after asking three men to stop smoking in a wine bar.

James Oyebola, 47, was having a drink in the garden area of the venue when a dispute erupted over the new smoking ban. One of the men pulled out a gun and fired at point-blank range into his face and leg.
Witnesses said Nigerian-born Mr Oyebola had politely stepped in to help staff who had asked the three men to observe the smoking ban. One said: 'He wasn't being aggressive. He pointed out that smoking was now against the law.
'He was just being a good citizen but the three saw it as a sign of disrespect. On their way out one pulled a gun and started firing at James.'
The suspects, said to be three black men, ran off after the shooting shortly before 1am on Monday. A handgun was found nearby. Source: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23405562-details/Boxing+champion+shot+in+the+head+for+saying+'don't+smoke'/article.do

hey dont bash NYCor I ll shoot you

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 11:07:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

Obviously this is nonsense.

2. there is active and prohibitive gun control in England so criminals can't access guns.

should be reworded 'SO CITIZENS' can't access guns....

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 11:26:15 AM

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Citizens can apply for licences to hold guns under stringent conditions, designed to pevent them falling into the hands of criminals. However, they also have to show a need for such weapons.
What possible use does a milkman have for an AK 47 for instance? The UK still has a far lesser rate of guncrime than other places and accidental deaths due to firearms is virtually zero.

Someone once told me that any attempt to take guns away from US citizens was bound to fail as it is an intrinsic part of US society. So be it. However, just because it is a US trait doesn't mean that the US is right and other countries must follow suit. The vast majority of UK citizens don't want guns.

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 1:24:00 PM

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over a cigarette? bizarre, im sure theres something else there that isnt being told.

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 2:42:30 PM

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criminals aren't supposed to be able to access guns but they do ...

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 2:51:33 PM

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On the one hand you have those who think that excessive criminal violence, shootings, etc., are a part of our society.

Then you have people who blame cigarettes for it.

Seems like a non sequiter to me, but I could be wrong.

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 3:46:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
On the one hand you have those who think that excessive criminal violence, shootings, etc., are a part of our society.
Then you have people who blame cigarettes for it.
Seems like a non sequiter to me, but I could be wrong.
Sinergy

It is social engineering logic at its finest. If you criminalize cigarette smoking, as is the current trend, soon only criminals will smoke cigarettes. For many, that goal is desirable. The NRA uses the same position as a defense with its; "If you criminalize gun ownership, only criminals will have guns."

It appears this event marks the resulting marriage of the two positions and makes the point for the NRA. In the UK gun ownership is prohibitory to the point of being, as philosophy points out, only granted under "stringent conditions". Smoking in this pub was also "criminal". Providing proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, as smoking becomes more of a crime, smokers are more likely, as criminals anyway, to carry guns. Those in the US should beware of how when guns and smoking are both criminal acts - this is an example of what can happen.

In the US, where you are just as likely to be carrying a gun as the smoker, they may think twice before blowing you away, exhaling smoke over your body, and, as in this instance, finishing their glass of Chablis; when you tap them on the back and ask them to put out the cigarette.

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 4:59:49 PM

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Seriously, how can smoking be this important to you?

Just smoke in your own home and STFU already...

Sheesh...

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 5:07:52 PM

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Seriously, how can smoking be this important to you?

Just smoke in your own home and STFU already...
Sheesh...

Guess what? I don't smoke! So SIUYA! But in a nice way.

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 5:25:16 PM

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Well, how about just doing the STFU part only then?

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 5:27:29 PM

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ive often thought of lighting a cig and blowing the smoke in the face of a woman i smelled 10 minutes before seeing her because of her perfume......

but shooting them would not violate the smoking bans.....hmmmmmmmmm

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 5:28:44 PM

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I just don't see this as the fearsome slippery slope that you seem to see it as. These kinds of laws would seem to apply to public spaces and not to people's private dwellings.

Smoking is like loud music - you can't keep it just to yourself. Consequently, there is no absolute right to do it anywhere but where you alone are the boss of that place.

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 5:33:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne
ive often thought of lighting a cig and blowing the smoke in the face of a woman i smelled 10 minutes before seeing her because of her perfume......

I once had a friend that wore too much perfume. One day I could take no more so I mentioned it to her. She thanked me for saying so and mentioned that while she had given up smoking, her whole prior life of smoking had permanently damaged her ability to smell and taste. Her problem was that sometimes she would put on her perfume, forget that she had done so, and do a second application without being able to realize it herself. That's sad.

But I agree, smells can be overpowering. Yikes!

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 5:47:37 PM

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Well, how about just doing the STFU part only then?

NEVER! They'll have to rip my keyboard out of my dead hands!

BTW -

I don't own a gun, and never shot one.
Because of my gender, my nipples aren't "obscene".
I have no minor children which can be affected by fat food advertising propaganda.
I wear a helmet when I ride a motorcycle. (I always felt the intention behind this law was to identify the body. Seatbelts in a plane serve the same purpose.)
I use a seatbelt

However, I believe all legislation that doesn't provide citizens the opportunity to do exactly the opposite of what I do - are wrong. STFU when these opportunities of choice are threatened or taken away is irresponsible. No "good intent" has ever generated the intended result.

Stay tuned though - I'm sure we'll get to some liberty or freedom that you enjoy and perhaps then you'll appreciate me and others not complying with "STFU".

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 5:56:27 PM

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Okay, but where are you on the smoke and loud music comparison? Can I play my loud music in your face knowing that you have no option but to hear it? Wow, you better love some early Throbbing Gristle - try "Heathen Earth" at a 150 decibels...

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RE: Smoking Ban Results in Shooting - 7/30/2007 6:40:10 PM

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Smoking is like loud music - you can't keep it just to yourself.

Near as I can tell, this is the thing that smoking rights zealots fail to understand.

I like the way you put it, my posts that they should wear a bag over their head so I dont have to smell it
were possibly a bit caustic.

Sinergy

p.s. All you smoking zealots, how many of you have called the cops on the loud party next door?

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