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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/25/2007 2:23:26 PM   
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Stop dreaming. Women were in charge in the old days, and are now. It's just becoming obvious and they don't take it anymore to be called the weaker gender. And to act as if. You'll have to show some intelligence and kindness to be noticed. Only strength won't do it anymore. Did you notice that women tend to be the ones doing good at the university ?

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How many people here are old fashioned and believe a wife should obey her husband, and he should provide for and protect her? Who here feels that a woman should know her place?


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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/26/2007 6:27:58 AM   
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As far as what I believe.:

That it's all well and good for a woman to obey her husband, for a man to provide for and protect her and all that.

HOWEVER!

I also believe a wife has a duty to that marriage as well that goes well beyond keeping the floors mopped and the sinks cleaned. I believe she has a duty to her husband to be educated and employable. I believe she has a duty to her children be ready in whatever capacity to do more than earn a minimum wage should the need ever arise, either due to the sudden unemployment or death of her husband and their father. I believe that complacency is never an option when it comes to marriage but that both people are responsible for the functioning of that family unit, and even if that means that "traditional" ideas have to fly out the window, then so be it. There's more at stake than just one person's desire to be the sole wage earner and protector of hearth and home.

Frankly, if I need a protector for the home, just HOW is he going to do that if he's away at work? It makes no sense to me. Besides, if I need a protector, either I'm getting a dog or we're moving out of a bad neighborhood.

I believe a woman owes it to herself and to her husband to be more than a housewife - and  by that I mean regardless if she is the CEO of a company or is busy all day raising children and taking care of the house, she should have options. More importantly, she needs to be ready to exercise those options should the need arise. In my view, no woman, no matter how obedient, does her husband any favors by being the additional dependant and if for no other reason, her level of education and employability provides her husband with options he might not otherwise have. That could mean the ability to choose to change jobs, get into another field, open his own business or simply go back to school for his own edification and increased earning opportunity.

I've been the housewife and mom and I've been the working person outside the home in a two income family, and at least in my experience, no matter how you cut it, there is only so much housework that goes into every day. The rest of the day, at least for me, was spent largely waiting for him to come home and pursuing my hobbies. Kids were part of the process, but by no means were they the be all end all of my day - and my day included therapy for my daughter, soccer for my son, CCD, and numerous other endeavors - and I STILL was never filling up all the hours.

Compared to those who were out there working 8-10 hours a day and then coming home to do all the chores, fix dinner, take care of kids, etc...I had a pretty easy life. For me, there was simply no compare.

I know that there are many for whom this fulfills them - and in all honesty, it did me as well, but when I watched my husband struggle and worry over the bills and all that, it was more than apparant that I had it pretty darn good and that he was getting the short end of the stick.

Being a mother is singularly THE best job I've ever had, but working at something more than that contributed to the household and allowed my husband to have some breathing room in which he was able to pursue some of HIS hobbies and the activities he enjoyed.

In my world, even if he didn't like that I went back to work, that work provided HIM with much more than he'd have had if I stayed at home - so I refused to be obedient in this matter. The choices I made were more important than obedience to him.

juliet



Yes!!! I agree with this completely!  Marriage is, when all is said and done, a partnership and a promise.. to your spouse, your family, and society. I firmly believe that both partners in this contract should be prepared to do whatever needs to be done to strengthen the fortress. It really does take the combined wills and determination of both.

My husband and I started out with a tentative " Master/slave" dynamic in the beginning. We both really struggled with it for whatever reason. Communication, interaction, etc. In our case, we both decided our marriage.. the commitment we made together, was more important. I'm not saying that marriage and M/s can't work out very well together, because in many cases it can. But both the husband and the wife should be prepared to be flexible as far "roles" go, or to even adapt a D/s dynamic AROUND the initial vows and oaths, instead of the other way around.

My husband has gotten very used to being the delegator in our relationship, as the authority and head of household. But now, as he and I have been making steps towards a more sustainable and greener lifestyle, he'll have to work more around the house. As I will have to get a job to bring some extra money in. It will have to be a combined effort from both of us, because we ultimately have the best interests of our family in mind.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/26/2007 1:58:56 PM   
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I do, very much so. That is not to say that in our time women have access to a lot of things we didn't used to: education and job training and such. I love history. It would be a dream come true for me to be a history professor at Oxford or Cambridge or somewhere like that. But I also want to have children. That is something I've always known I would do. And if it is financially possible, I want to stay home with my kids. I want to be married before I have them. When it comes down to it, I want my husband to be the one who leads the family. And that is not just because I am submissive, which is something I've only recently discovered about myself. I've always felt that way. I do think women should vote. I do think women should have the 'right' to do whatever they wish. Because not everyone feels the way I do. The difference between what I feel is right and what is right for each individual is quite different. That is why wars are fought. 

*smile* Long answer to a simple question. So yes, I do, very much believe that a woman should obey her husband and know her place. And he should lead and guide, aware of the fact that he has to protect and care for both of them.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/26/2007 2:16:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LeggsMan

How many people here are old fashioned and believe a wife should obey her husband, and he should provide for and protect her? Who here feels that a woman should know her place?

What I think should happen is that people should work out amongst themselves what they want their relationships to be, regardless of sex or quantity of participants.
Me, I happen to like doing my best to conform to his wants. But I don't expect him to protect me or guide me beyond letting me know what those wants may be.
I do believe everyone should know their place, which is wherever they (and their skills and talents) determine it to be.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/28/2007 9:29:31 AM   
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Is the site TakenInHand.Com relevant do you think?


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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/28/2007 9:37:57 AM   
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Maybe, what do you want to know if it's relevant to? It's not for me but I like that the website even says that "The woman is not necessarily submissive" and it does describe many different types of relationships, from total obedience to playful brats.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/30/2007 11:39:22 AM   
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Some folks out there have misunderstood me. When I meant foreign women, what I was really thinking of is Western Europe where I used to live and where people seemed more open about BDSM,  

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RE: Old Fashioned - 7/31/2007 1:41:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LeggsMan

How many people here are old fashioned and believe a wife should obey her husband, and he should provide for and protect her? Who here feels that a woman should know her place?


I would be one of those old fashioned types, I have always liked the idea of the woman stayin at home keeping everything nice and spotless, waiting for her husband when he gets home, having a nice good hot meal prepared for him, and being a good enterainer for guests. I also like the idea of the man providing and taking care of his wife/family. I definatly believe a woman should know her place, I do. I dont however have a problem if a woman finds her place as the dominant to each his own.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 8/4/2007 9:18:56 AM   
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Good responses! Who here has heard of Marabel Morgan?
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RE: Old Fashioned - 8/4/2007 9:45:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LeggsMan

How many people here are old fashioned and believe a wife should obey her husband, and he should provide for and protect her? Who here feels that a woman should know her place?



raises hand too.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 8/4/2007 7:42:03 PM   
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As much as I would looooooove to stay at home and keep the household clean and all that jazz, I have to take a big leap into reality. Unless my man is a CEO of some billion dollar coorportation I better get my behind out there and use this master's degree and help him with the bills. Different times call for new interpretations. I can still be submissive and bring home a salary. He can still be dominant and wash the dishes. I make more money than most of the men I have ever dated. It doesn't bother me. I see it as a way of taking care of the household. See? Same role, just a new interpretation.

However, if there is a nice rich Dom, ( no not rich, wealthy) who is looking for a sub to stay home and take care of his gorgeous home, then please contact me

sugga

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RE: Old Fashioned - 8/5/2007 6:37:26 AM   
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As a Female supremist i know my place as a lowly man. All Women are high above me, so my place is 'low'.  i believe a lowly man who has found a Mistress is very lucky. he has found Someone who cares for his submission, and maybe Someone who really trains his submission. But the better he is trained as a slave, the better he can serve his Mistress. That includes providing for Her and protecting Her. This is the least thing he can do in return for the great gift of his Mistress to take care for his submission.

i do not know if this is 'old fashioned'. i believe that if more men should have this attitude of servitude towards Women the world should have a bright future ahead.

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RE: Old Fashioned - 8/5/2007 9:09:52 AM   
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For some that style of relationship would work well and be fulfilling for others it just wouldn't work. even tho I am a submissive, I distincly removed the lines 'to obey' from our wedding vows  There is an authority structure in our relationship but it's not about my place because I am a woman. I'm actually the one with the career in the relationship, I bring home a higher income. Those things  are not basis for our interactiosn. I ask him if I can buy something  or if I can go somewhere.  We don't have kids (aside fromt he 4 legged kind) so there is no need for one of us to stay home to raise them.

I have the utmost respect for  women  and men  ( or men and men or women and women ) who enjoy a more traditional relationship.  Possibly too, we have had a 50/50 relationship for the first 15 years of our 17 years together, add in that we are both adrenaline junkies and it doesn't bode well for eithr of us being home bodies.   I'm happy to see the more positive comments on this thread. This falls into the 'my kink is not the same as yours' and at times I noticed that makes some defencive and even a bit nasty.  I have never wanted to be a house wife (there is nothing wrong with being a house wife, some of my dearest friends  are and  talk about  amazing at multi-tasking!) it's just not for me or Rob.


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RE: Old Fashioned - 8/5/2007 9:16:41 AM   
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I only agree with the "provide for and protect her?" number, and even then I think that's only when she actually needs protection.
For me it's a question of "should." I don't think any woman should have to do any of those things.
And besides, lets see you try to impose that on a modern woman, you will get sued, if not kicked in the very least.

Not to say that those principles are bad or anything, but principles certainly do not have to be accepted by everyone.
Find a woman who likes those principles? Good on you.
Expect a woman to like them? Ha.

All I want out of them is communication. Affection is nice too!

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