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The Constitution doesn't give the right to everyone to own and bear arms..Only the militias,read very carefully.
I wager I have read it as many times, if not more so than you have. I have read it over carefully. I have analyzed it. The only thing I have not done was gone back and looked up the lexical interpretations of every word and inflection pertinent as it occured in 1776 (and rest assured, it is on my to-do list).
A well-regulated Militia, being necessary for the security of a free State, The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. (passed by house & senate)
A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Common punction, but not only permutation distrubuted to the states for ratification)
You can argue states rights, militia, and any other nonsense until you are blue in the face. There has always been a break between the right of the people and the well-regulated militia. and the language is clear about the right and its protection. Even if the sole purpose was to provide a "well-regulated militia", the right is vested in the people. Whose Brown Bess was used to lob pot shots at the lobsterbacks? The continental army's? More often it was John colonist's personal weapon, because the standing army belonged to none other than the king. In order to keep the state militia well-regulated the people must have unfettered access and ownership of weapons, so that their Brown Bess, or AR-15 can be raised up against the forigen invader, or the Federal tyrant. How much sense does it make to have a federally dependent state with a federally dependent peacekeeping force fulfill ANY meaning of the Second Amendment. That is the EXACT opposite of what the Second Amendment meant, regardless of which way you interpret it. Oh yeah, if they meant the state, why then wouldn't they write "the right of the sovereign state to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"?
OK, so they meant the states had the right to have militias, gotcha.
Could you point me the way to the Minnesota State Militia? Perhaps the Montana Minutemen, then? What on God's green earth is a militia? You aren't one of those characters who actually thinks it's the National Guard, are you? Let's review. George III had an absolutist and tyrannical rule over the states. We waged a war of independence over it. George Washington was "nominated" to be king, and he denounced all kingships. Presidents were given select terms, so that absolutism could not set through the corruption that came with long stays in power, as was the legislature. These are 2 of many CLEAR indicators this federal government was feared by the founding fathers as a potential surrogate tyrant. They implemented checks against it. One of these was guaranteeing the people the right to retain arms against their would-be federal oppressors. Where have we ever had a FUBU state military organization? The Armed Forces are the King's Army and never needed additional authorization outside of The Articles to exist. Thus, the Nat Guard is the KING's standing army at home. That needs no amendment authorizing it either. Want to argue that Nat Guard is the State vessel BS? Why then do/did we have Nat guard regiments in Afganistan/Iraq? if it is really the state's militia, WTF are they doing overseas? It's all bullshit.
The state militia acted in Louisiana in 2005. Know what that was? It wasn't the Nat fucking Guard, was it (after all, it took days if not a week to deploy) and it was all State's rights, Louisiana Gov. Bush's fault, right? The Militia was all the able-bodied men called upon for LE duty, who were deputized on the spot and patrolled the gas stations, Wal-Marts, and Evacuation shelters. The militia were the volunteers with boats rescuing people from rooftops. The militia was my happy ass doing armed patrols of my neighborhood at night to ensure there was no shenanigans. Without the PERSONAL arms and equipment, you have ZERO idea what hell REALLY would have broken loose those days before King George II's troops showed up. Now throw in a civillian marksmanship class taught at school, as well as civic responsibility, and emergency preparedness, and you have one hell of an able-bodied militia at your disposal for emergencies and all enemies, foreign and domestic.
That is what the Second Amendment pertains to, and that is how it is supposed to work.
Pulp, I think you nailed it!
You can't have a Militia without The People, can you?
And, again you're right in that the right to bare arms was not granted to "the sovereign states" but to..."The People."
I don't know why some people have a problem understanding that!
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