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ElectraGlide -> RE: Who do you blame for American Jobs getting shipped to other countrys. (7/27/2007 9:57:23 AM)
The reading and writing issue is a good topic. We just drive fork trucks, we are not proof readers, reading and writing is not too big of a deal. We do have people that can not read or write hardly anything. I have helped them with updating insurance information and other things to do with work. They have even brought me in applications for getting a apartment. I do not look down on them. Some college grads have a high and mighty I am so much smarter attitude then the rest. Not all of them. I would like to have a contest with some of them, lets get two identical cars and we will change the water pumps on them. When they can not do it, I would not call them dum, I would just think, they never did it, how would they have known how to do it. You can not know everything.

NefertariReborn -> RE: Who do you blame for American Jobs getting shipped to other countrys. (7/27/2007 10:53:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger quote: ORIGINAL: Bluebird I am perhaps the only one who wonders at the irony of this thread - note the typos in the subject line of this topic. I see one misspelling and one capitalization error in that one simple sentence. I wouldn't tolerate that in a subordinate - if someone won't learn proper English communication skills, I don't have use for him or her. Yeah, I'm cranky tonight. The grammar police are ALWAYS alert. Hell.....If you think you've got bug up your ass now—over an innocuous thread title-- how do you suppose you will feel once those big eighteen-wheelers start rolling in from across the border with folks driving them who basically have the mental capacity /education of 5th grade elementary student? - R Have you seen the TIMSS 2003 report? (The 2007 report will be completed soon). Ummmmm cough American students aren't leading the crowd. So if companies are looking for the best educated i.e. "smartest cookies" they have reason to look elsewhere again.

Joseff -> RE: Who do you blame for American Jobs getting shipped to other countrys. (7/27/2007 8:51:36 PM)
Have you noticed that unemployment is only 4.5%, the lowest it has ever been in this country? Joseff

popeye1250 -> RE: Who do you blame for American Jobs getting shipped to other countrys. (7/27/2007 11:51:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Joseff Have you noticed that unemployment is only 4.5%, the lowest it has ever been in this country? Joseff Joseff, I don't believe much of anything this govternment tells us anymore. I'm catching them in more lies everytime Bush makes a speech. He's no conservative and he's no republican. That was all a lie.

Estring -> RE: Who do you blame for American Jobs getting shipped to other countrys. (7/28/2007 12:00:50 AM)
Popeye, I understand your disappointment with Bush. I feel the same way about him in some respects as well. But he did the one thing that almost every economist agrees will stimulate the economy. He cut taxes. Normally I don't think that a president has that much to do with how the economy goes, but he understood what the economy needed to get on it's feet after 9/11.

satyrne07 -> RE: Who do you blame for American Jobs getting shipped to other countrys. (7/28/2007 12:16:36 AM)
Has anyone here used a buggy whip on a slave? My point is that this is about the only community who may still be buying buggy whips. There used to be thousands of people employed in making them, now there might be a handful. We can't shelter everyone from the fact that competition develops and what is now eventually becomes obsolete. We think of the 50s and 60s as the good old days of good jobs and good wages --- HEY!!! We had also just seen all the factories of all our competition bombed into rubble...Germany, England, Japan...everyone else was starting again from zero. This is now. We have to be willing to prepare and compete. Sort of like the American Olympic Basketball "Dream Team" after a while, if we are sloppy, we lose. I visited the Audi/Volkswagen factory in Changchun China last summer. A clean efficient factory pumping out new cars for a Chinese market. Crazy thing is, that if China would focus on electric cars they would jump to the head of the pack, but they can't. They have the workforce to replicate existing methods, but are at a distinct disadvantage in creating new techniques and technologies. An interesting fact... All the cars were being made in China, but do you know where every machine used to make the cars was made? The specialized super precision assembly tools and calibration machines were all made in Germany. That's where the German workers were needed. Once a job becomes routine and standardized it is up for grabs. American workers are on the front lines of innovation. We need to see that this is our strength. Learn, produce, systematize, then move on. We can be better and faster than the rest. But we need to embrace this as our standard.

Paintslave -> RE: Who do you blame for American Jobs getting shipped to other countrys. (7/28/2007 12:22:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji The people. Welcome to capitalism. We could buy only Made in USA products, but then we couldn't afford our lifestyle. How many people shop at WalMart for items they could buy that are made domestically, even if at a higher price? If WalMart started buying their products locally, their prices would skyrocket and people would buy elsewhere. So that aint an option. Not making a profit isn't really an option either, because the investors (banks, funds, the superrich, and us) want some returns. Besides, going out of business would suck, eh? Yours, benji I make a huge effort to avoid buying products made outside of the United States. It's not always easy and there are some clothing items, i.e. blue jeans, that I buy at Goodwill or Salvation Army because you just don't find them made here anymore. I'd rather buy used, 1980's era Levi jeans that fit me right and hold up for another year or two after I purchase them than buy new ones made in Pakistan or wherever that don't fit correctly and last for about 6 months before they're literally falling apart at the seams. Same with everything else, including food--I shop smaller chains and locally owned stores whenever I can, local farmer's markets for fruits and veggies, stay out of WalMart as much as possible and avoid Target like the plague since they're not even U.S. owned. I may pay a little more, but I find myself replacing things less often, so I think it makes up for the higher shelf price. I think NAFTA was a huge mistake, but let's all remember that it was Clinton who signed it into law--not Bush (whom I'm not terribly fond of either). Paintslave

farglebargle -> RE: Who do you blame for American Jobs getting shipped to other countrys. (7/28/2007 12:51:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Estring Popeye, I understand your disappointment with Bush. I feel the same way about him in some respects as well. But he did the one thing that almost every economist agrees will stimulate the economy. He cut taxes. Normally I don't think that a president has that much to do with how the economy goes, but he understood what the economy needed to get on it's feet after 9/11. Since all the "Growth" has been in industries like OIL, GAS, ARMS & MUNITIONS, OUTSOURCED SERVICES, it seems that lying to get Congress to authorize the Iraq-AUMF was more important than any tax cut.

popeye1250 -> RE: Who do you blame for American Jobs getting shipped to other countrys. (7/28/2007 1:27:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: satyrne07 Has anyone here used a buggy whip on a slave? My point is that this is about the only community who may still be buying buggy whips. There used to be thousands of people employed in making them, now there might be a handful. We can't shelter everyone from the fact that competition develops and what is now eventually becomes obsolete. We think of the 50s and 60s as the good old days of good jobs and good wages --- HEY!!! We had also just seen all the factories of all our competition bombed into rubble...Germany, England, Japan...everyone else was starting again from zero. This is now. We have to be willing to prepare and compete. Sort of like the American Olympic Basketball "Dream Team" after a while, if we are sloppy, we lose. I visited the Audi/Volkswagen factory in Changchun China last summer. A clean efficient factory pumping out new cars for a Chinese market. Crazy thing is, that if China would focus on electric cars they would jump to the head of the pack, but they can't. They have the workforce to replicate existing methods, but are at a distinct disadvantage in creating new techniques and technologies. An interesting fact... All the cars were being made in China, but do you know where every machine used to make the cars was made? The specialized super precision assembly tools and calibration machines were all made in Germany. That's where the German workers were needed. Once a job becomes routine and standardized it is up for grabs. American workers are on the front lines of innovation. We need to see that this is our strength. Learn, produce, systematize, then move on. We can be better and faster than the rest. But we need to embrace this as our standard. Satyrne, I agree! We could outcompete those backwards third world countries so much that we'd pound them right back into the fuckin stoneage! But, then people would start "feeling sorry" for them and want to give them foreign aid, our money! How the hell is that "competing?" If it's pure, unbridled Capitalism they want lets go to financial war with these countries! Bankrupt them! Drive their currency into the mud! Starve them! Charge them ten times the price for medicine! We could absolutely CRUSH those countries financially! What is happening now is "not capitalism! It's * "Global socialism."* "Debt forgiveness?" Foreign aid? Access to our markets? Free aids medication? W.T.F!?

satyrne07 -> RE: Who do you blame for American Jobs getting shipped to other countrys. (7/28/2007 1:30:14 AM)
Hey, one note as a proud native of Minnesota ... TARGET stores are certainly American owned, based in Minneapolis. We used to call Target "tarjey boutique" as a joke to imply it was fancier than Kmart... but it is in no way French. For the record.

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