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steviemichael -> does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/26/2007 7:34:27 AM)

it is said that submisson is a gift  if this is true.
may i ask why is it that some  Master/D/Ds require some  earn   favour and is this part of any sub to gain favour too earn a task ?




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/26/2007 7:37:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: steviemichael
it is said that submisson is a gift  if this is true.
may i ask why is it that some  Master/D/Ds require some  earn   favour and is this part of any sub to gain favour too earn a task ?

Because they want to play power games rather than build a solid foundation.

I'd be ok with them working to earn a privilege or special treat- but not for the relationship.  And while a relationship DOES entail work and they would be expected to do that, the relationship isn't a treat or favor for me.




Littlepita -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/26/2007 12:01:19 PM)

My relationship is not a treat or a favor for me either. My submission is not a gift. That would mean I didn't expect anything in return for my giving him my power and submitting to his will. I expect one hell of a lot and I get it. I don't understand this game playing that I read so much about. I submit to a loving, intelligent, and worthy dominant who treats me like a real person and not some plaything. Well, unless he wants me to be his slutty plaything who can't get enough of him![;)]




Vampyrefledgling -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/26/2007 1:49:11 PM)

I concur. As much as I am submissive, I wish to be submissive to a man who loves me and will take care of me, not one who will use me and throw me away. Think of it this way, what sort of good man would treat anything he really cared about like garbage? Take it a step further and think, why should I give myself and everything I am to a man who would treat me, my body, my soul like garbage? Beyond the realm of BDSM, we are human beings. Submissives (slaves) but human beings. We serve our Masters, we belong to them, but we do not deserve to be abused (in a negative way).

Your submission is a gift, just like His Dominance is a gift.

~Fledgling.




earthycouple -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/26/2007 5:24:24 PM)

how about I earn your respect and you earn mine?  Head games and stupid child's play have no place in this life for me.  You want to give me a gift?  Make sure my car is washed and vaccummed the day I need to drive it wearing a white dress. 




imthatacheyouhav -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/26/2007 7:58:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: earthycouple

how about I earn your respect and you earn mine?  Head games and stupid child's play have no place in this life for me.  You want to give me a gift?  Make sure my car is washed and vaccummed the day I need to drive it wearing a white dress. 

LOL....what she said.....




earthycouple -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/26/2007 9:13:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: imthatacheyouhav

quote:

ORIGINAL: earthycouple

how about I earn your respect and you earn mine?  Head games and stupid child's play have no place in this life for me.  You want to give me a gift?  Make sure my car is washed and vaccummed the day I need to drive it wearing a white dress. 

LOL....what she said.....



*S*




came4U -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/26/2007 9:19:56 PM)

gift? not sure, it could be.

but the gift goes both ways.

for one, the sub is putting her/his heart, mind and soul (and oftentimes her very life) in her Master's hands, that is a gift she/he gives I suppose., her trust.

the Masters gift, is to use that girl/boy wisely and safely (unless she is predisposed to aching further, yet all done in accordance to their limit pushing barriers discussions)and to bring her back soundly until the next time.

I can hardly wait for Christmas now [;)], but looks like another empty box coming my way LOL.




bliss1 -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/27/2007 10:19:41 AM)

I love how you worded this came4U.

I do not think enough of us who believe that an emotional gift is as real as a physical one.  For me - my subimission is a gift from the heart since not just anyone can get me to serve or cause my heart to stir with the desire to serve.

It is good to be reminded that a Dom is also giving from his heart (at least the ones that cause me to want to serve).

Thank you






MadRabbit -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/27/2007 3:03:49 PM)

Its really kind of like Jelly...[:D]




beargonewild -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/27/2007 3:16:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: steviemichael

it is said that submisson is a gift  if this is true.
may i ask why is it that some  Master/D/Ds require some  earn   favour and is this part of any sub to gain favour too earn a task ?



In my eyes, submission isn't  "gift" that sub or switch hands out to a master/D/Ds. My submission is something in which a Dom has to earn and thuis I too have to earn a Master's dominance.




ownedgirlie -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/27/2007 3:20:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Its really kind of like Jelly...[:D]


LOL





lateralist1 -> RE: does a sub earn or is it a gift we give ? (7/28/2007 2:40:56 PM)

This is all so confusing to me. I view a D/s relationship like any other it takes time to grow. I dominate lots of people without their consent  but that doesn't mean I have a partner type sexual relationship with them. The type of relationship is the key. Because it defines the areas of domination and submission. And the areas define how the gifts of domination and submission are earned or exchanged. 
But yes a sub/slave has to earn the right to serve me by showing me just what kind of man he is. I in return will earn the right to dominate him by showing him the woman I am (or not as the case maybe) if of course he gives me time to do that. I don't judge a prospective slaves worth as a human being that is not for me to say. I judge his 'rightness' for me.




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