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Poweful sub camouflage ? - 6/27/2005 12:04:49 AM

Shedaddy

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Sorry beautiful, the post was published before I got the time to correct it! I thought I was okaying a preview, instead. To make things worse , I am not shaking off very well the other language in which I had sessions those 3 last days. Yes, it is a pleasure to learn about Canadians.

Seriously, I am breeding ambivalent feelings about the following:
Don't you, subs, ultimately feel more powerful than the Dom after a session? I will not ask this "live" to a sub and let him live (humor). As one told me lately: I feel more viril when you treat me like this..., this question is quite nagging at Me. lI have to admit that I have gotten over the phase of "feeling the power"because of a session ( I am in controll most of the time, as I confront any annoyance as a Domina now!). I enjoy dominating because of the way it all spans out before-during and after the session. Power is easy; even babies can demonstrate that...Still, it makes Me uncomfortable to leave it to the submissive, even unconciously.

Secondly, Besides rash sophisticated method to prevent vanilla men to invade the privacy of My Chamber, I have a test system for any sub I meet online (I never did it in collarme, though. ). I will ask t hem to vote for LLV's site , through this lAristodominance. It works great cause and it takes a few minutes. If they cannot just do it and say "okay": Iknow that a fraud is trying to breach a contrat, pun intended. Therefore, My 2 other questions are: 1. Did some of you were truly sub in the beginning but came out as impostors? 2. I still ger fake subs in session despite all cautionary measures . Do you think ( as I do) that there is no such a thing as a "fake sub", meaning that "they" ignore their submissive predisposition. (I was Myself, in denial, for longer than a decade.)
I thank, in advance, everyone who willl give its vantage point to the above mentionned.
oxox

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 6/27/2005 12:19:36 AM

BeachMystress

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shedaddy
Iknow that a fraud is trying to teach.

huh? The entire post confuses me somewhat, but this statement I just can't even begin to fathom in the context written. I'm not sure if you're a non native speaker of English or just didn't proof read. I understand the main question; Does the sub feel more powerful than the Dom/me after a session. But I don't understand much of the rest. Sorry.

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 6/27/2005 12:33:43 AM

Shedaddy

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What is meant in "a fake is trying to teach" is actually not a grave mistake. Did it never happened to you that your message is post before you get the chance to correct it?

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 6/27/2005 1:57:41 AM

darkinshadows

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Greetings.

Your post is very difficult to read, but I am trying my hardest to answer as best I read it.

Do I feel powerful as a submissive, yes - after a scene - depends, not always, but sometimes - but do I ever feel more powerful than the Dominant? No never. I may have a different strength/power, but never more than.

Fake subs and wannabees are on the same level for me, as using the word 'true ' and 'real' - just because a person doesn't conform to your idea of a submissive/slave, doesn't make them any less of one to another. It just doesn't make them compatable. If you had to 'test' them, and they failed, could be for numerous reasons. Communication would assist on finding out why it happened. But I would be more wary of a person who claimed anyone was 'fake' or 'untrue' than of a person who wasn't a dominant or submissive to me.

Peace and Love

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 6/27/2005 3:55:17 AM

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This is an important lesson in the true meaning of BDSM. Some people say the Dom has all the power, some say the Submissive has all the power. In reality it is not about power... both have all the power they need to walk away from the realtionship if they so choose and that could foil anyone's "plans" for domination or submission. Therefor, in the end it is a mutual agreement. If you want my advice, try to focus more on the relationship than who outranks who. "At the end of the game, the king and pawn both go back into the same box."

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 6/27/2005 8:20:03 AM

Hissweetshiv

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Do i feel more powerful than my Master? Heck no! That's why He's the Master... .grins. This doesn't mean that i don't have abundant personal power of my own. As Master is fond of saying - if You Dominate a doormat, You haven't accomplished anything. D/s is a partnership - the Dominant needs the submissive just as the submissive needs the Dominant. If Y/your relationship amounts to a pissing contest to see who's in charge, there's a problem.
~shiv

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 6/27/2005 5:58:49 PM

fourpeas

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I sometimes feel *as* strong, or *as* powerful, but just in a different way. It is my *choice* to give up that power of deciding what's going to be done to whom. Don't even try to tell me it doesn't take strength or power to stand completely naked before your Master, or give your Master a show when you don't want to, or pose in a position for a while having absolutely no idea what he wants... Don't tell me that doesn't take strength. By having the power to obey those commands I am proving myself his equal, although (consensually) not on equal footing... Does that make sense?

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 6/27/2005 6:18:39 PM

perverseangelic

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quote:

ORIGINAL: fourpeas

I sometimes feel *as* strong, or *as* powerful, but just in a different way. It is my *choice* to give up that power of deciding what's going to be done to whom. Don't even try to tell me it doesn't take strength or power to stand completely naked before your Master, or give your Master a show when you don't want to, or pose in a position for a while having absolutely no idea what he wants... Don't tell me that doesn't take strength. By having the power to obey those commands I am proving myself his equal, although (consensually) not on equal footing... Does that make sense?

Well said.

I don't buy into the "submissive person has the power" any more than I buy into "dominant person has the power." I think Emerald put it well--I never have less personal power, I simply give up the authority to excercise that power.

After something very intense I, personally, tend to feel very vulnerable. This isn't b/c of anything that has been done tome, so much as the fact that intense feeling puts me in a vulnerable place.

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 6/28/2005 6:26:15 AM

HisAngel

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: ShedaddySorry beautiful, the post was published before I got the time to correct it! I thought I was okaying a preview, instead. To make things worse , I am not shaking off very well the other language in which I had sessions those 3 last days. Yes, it is a pleasure to learn about Canadians.Seriously, I am breeding ambivalent feelings about the following:Don't you, subs, ultimately feel more powerful than the Dom after a session? I will not ask this "live" to a sub and let him live (humor). As one told me lately: I feel more viril when you treat me like this..., this question is quite nagging at Me. lI have to admit that I have gotten over the phase of "feeling the power"because of a session ( I am in controll most of the time, as I confront any annoyance as a Domina now!). I enjoy dominating because of the way it all spans out before-during and after the session. Power is easy; even babies can demonstrate that...Still, it makes Me uncomfortable to leave it to the submissive, even unconciously. Secondly, Besides rash sophisticated method to prevent vanilla men to invade the privacy of My Chamber, I have a test system for any sub I meet online (I never did it in collarme, though. ). I will ask t hem to vote for LLV's site , through this lAristodominance. It works great cause and it takes a few minutes. If they cannot just do it and say "okay": Iknow that a fraud is trying to breach a contrat, pun intended. Therefore, My 2 other questions are: 1. Did some of you were truly sub in the beginning but came out as impostors? 2. I still ger fake subs in session despite all cautionary measures . Do you think ( as I do) that there is no such a thing as a "fake sub", meaning that "they" ignore their submissive predisposition. (I was Myself, in denial, for longer than a decade.)I thank, in advance, everyone who willl give its vantage point to the above mentionned.oxox

.......... Power is in each person on how they feel.

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 6/28/2005 8:43:34 AM

EmeraldSlave2

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shedaddy
Don't you, subs, ultimately feel more powerful than the Dom after a session?

No, if it's a great scene I generally feel like I'm a vulnerable quivering mass of flesh at their disposal, if not completely unable to move.

FAR afterwards I will feel more pumped about myself for having such a great experience, but certainly not "more powerful" than the other person, after all, THEY gave me the experience to begin with. If I could do that to myself, I would!

quote:

1. Did some of you were truly sub in the beginning but came out as impostors?

Huh?

quote:

2. I still ger fake subs in session despite all cautionary measures . Do you think ( as I do) that there is no such a thing as a "fake sub", meaning that "they" ignore their submissive predisposition. (I was Myself, in denial, for longer than a decade.)
I thank, in advance, everyone who willl give its vantage point to the above mentionned.
oxox

I think you just need to take more time and cross reference many values before deciding to play with someone.

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 7/11/2005 10:26:23 AM

Shedaddy

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Thank you very much for your answers. I saw my weakness and further I recognized and discerned a lot of truth and even some wisdom to what you all wrote. The advantage I am getting from my posting is so valuable by its brain-storming effect, that I would like to thank whoever has started or moderating this, too.
My slave( ignorant of this posting) have screamed through one of you! I also noticed, that even if I did agree 100% with what you say in the first part of your answer, the second part is often flabbergasting and vice-versa. I still sometimes observe "others" as a Psychologist, although I don't practice anymore. Subs don't answer to pre-set patterns of personality and I just love it! I must admit the subs, who took the trouble to answer my Dutch-y posting, are not easy to read, not in the same way than Myself. Not that I am also complaining now that you, subs have a more "worthy of interest" inner life...
Interestingly... a few days ago, I had the "chance" to switch with a sub of mine, who is more a lover as opposed to a "sessionee" ( I had to mention it cause I would not even imagine myself in such an extreme experience within a Pro context. I offered him something, that hence was known by my mind as the highest form of humiliation. I knew for sure that I will reach the bottom of degradation after that...Bizarrely, I felt extremely FREE and ADORED, just a mix of blissful serenity (I get the giggles, right? Wait a sec, he gave Me Reiki as dessert). These aftereffects gave Me a better kind of power...that day. Mmm his adoration... He ADORED Me so well, that I found the "worship" I receive as a Domina a masquarade. As a matter of fact, he is supposed to be the sub again next time, I am almost sure we will toss a coin about that...In the meantime, when my mind is not blown away by my sub journey, I feel some guilt that I did not have more (okay, I will say it at all risks) more respect for subs; expecially the women. And I re-set my records straight: "switches have more fun".
Again, I thank you all personally from My heart!

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 7/11/2005 11:02:20 AM

foxglove716

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Yes I agree with the above posts, there is power in submission. But feeling more power than my dom? Nooo. Its a kind of personal power, all my own that in no way detracts from my dom. It feels like that rush of energy you get after doing anything challenging, like running a mile. But the real sense of power for me at least comes from knowing that I have changed this normally mild mannered kind hearted man into a raging beast.

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 7/15/2005 11:27:22 PM

lonewolf05

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i am only addressing this link....
what is there TO vote on? all "I" found is yet again one more 8 by 10 glossy of pro dommes. why on earth would "I" vote about pros?

i hope, you have a proper explaination.?

the wolf.

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 8/7/2005 11:04:19 AM

Shedaddy

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TO DARK ANGEL,
I cannot find the time to answer you on a more private address. You sure did jump in hasty conclusions before answering My post. Place Me, at least, in the right context!
First of all, I am not criticising Beautiful L.A. which is My darling home away from home. Secondly, I think that it should become common knowledge that the Profession is locally persecuted...Yes, I am a Pro Dom in Los Angeles. If you took the time to get well informed about Pro dominance in L.A, you will find out that "spotting" a local fake sub is a matter of survival, without stretching. We are constantly "checked" by undercover ones or induced to fall into (il) legal traps. If this happen to a Pro , she cannot start counting the loss before his/her name is cleared. There is something related to that in the webmaster's files in My site. The link is on the first page (bottom left) for more on this. AristofetishMy own criteria to eliminate any interaction with the indesirable ones has been until now, my accuracy to recognize a fake sub immediately...by phone or on-line only. But it is becoming a weekly occurence, that non-ill-intentioned men are also instantenously going sub for Me. I know I have a body to defrock a Bishop which I did once in My life. But I don't belive in this mixed feeling trigger: "No. I am not a sub I just wanted to be with you ". ( No, I do not hide it anymore that I love to dominate: life is too short to lie!)
What did you expect? any question I will have about a sub will never obtain a Nobel Prize: I am a Domme! Anyway, I'll just drop this subject... I got so many positive acid-free answers too.

That you are wary of Me is your personal choice. A French saying has taught Me this: " Never trust someone who does not trust you".

Last but not least, 80% of the visitors of My site is British and without any referral, the majority of My clientele, here in California, is, guess what, British again, Scottish men included. They all tell Me that they love everything about Me. It must be the accent: I never had the time to learn English.

Never by might, nor by power, always by His grace.... May Jesus Christ bless you too. And more importanly, may He give you His peace that surpasses all understanding.

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 8/7/2005 1:21:12 PM

darkinshadows

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Ah... now it clicks... I realise the reason behind your mail to me now.

quote:

That you are wary of Me is your personal choice. A French saying has taught Me this: " Never trust someone who does not trust you".

I believe that possibly because english is not your first language, you may have taken my response as personal, rather than just a point of view. Nothing was personal in my response. Nothing was aimed 'at you'. I do not know you, nor can I make any assumption on who or what you are or do.
And the only mention of trust, is by yourself.

Peace and Love

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RE: Poweful sub camouflage ? - 8/8/2005 8:41:43 AM

ChereeAmoor

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I feel immensely powerful and unbelievably humble at the same time. I feel incredibly beautiful afterwards, grateful to the point of tears, and greedy for more more more.

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