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cleaningsub -> Bondage book (7/29/2007 11:22:05 AM)

i am a writer and i have decided to try and write a vanilla instructional bondage instructional book.  i got the inspiration from LilyRedd (Thank you very much).  My question here is what would you like to see in a book like this?  i plan on having lots of collaberators so please feel free to contact me.  i know this is a huge undertaking and i am not even sure how far to take this.  Any suggestions would be most welcome.

al




Stephann -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 11:26:05 AM)

Hi cleaning,

Well, my first suggestion would be to try and define the scope.  Do you wish to write an instructional book that appeals only to male submissives?  Is sex to figure heavily into this?  What about transgenders?  Who do you want to read the book?  Where would you sell it? 

Defining the scope of the book, will make it much easier to actually finish it.  If you want a big book of everything about BDSM, you're in for a major undertaking.  If you're writing a book strictly on bondage, you'll have a much easier time; but you'd want to clarify exactly what elements you'd want to touch on.  From there, you can divid the book into chapters.  Breaking a book into pieces is the only way to do it.

Good luck with it!

Stephan




EarthGoddess52 -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 11:26:56 AM)

a VANILLA bondage manual??  Could there be such a thing?  Do vanilla people tie each other up?  I'm thinking Snidely Whiplash tying Nell to the train tracks!  but that was pretty kinky!

Good luck in your pursuit




cleaningsub -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 11:42:39 AM)

i want this book to be aimed at those who may be courious about bondage.  Right now this will be a strickly bondage book, (techniques).  Stephann you are right when you said everything bdsm would be too much.  i am a male submissive so i think it would be easier if i do it from that view.

al




Misstoyou -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 12:01:19 PM)

I like the idea, and I think you can translate the experience to "vanilla." I can envision it going from the technically simple (even starting with "mental bondage" ?) to the more complex. But Stephann is right. Perhaps you should tell us what elements/chapters you've already thought about, and then see if we can expand or supplement your ideas.

** Edited to add that if you're serious about making it a vanilla book, I think you would need to discuss techniques that apply to both sexes.




earthycouple -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 12:26:44 PM)

um...Well there are such books available already.  Midori springs to mind.  So I say there is a market




PairOfDimes -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 12:44:08 PM)

Oh, an "intro to bondage" book? Check out Chanta Rose's Bondage for Sex--is that the sort of thing you want to do? There seems to be a good market for bondage books. However, I think most people who are absolutely new to kink go for "survey" books--books that cover a little bit of bondage, a little bit of spanking, a little bit of roleplay, and so on. Think of it as a Whitman's Sampler of kink. An entire book about a particular technique seems better suited to people who are already pretty well convinced that they like bondage (or genitorture, or electroplay, or whatever) and those books tend to cover very beginning techniques ("This is how you tie a single limb cuff,") and go partway into more advanced techniques as well ("This is how you do a shrimp tie,") perhaps because elementary bondage wouldn't fill a whole book.

As for writing from a submissive man's perspective--most bondage works irrespective of sex or gender. Genital bondage doesn't quite work the same way for outy parts as for inny parts, but that's only a very small, niche element of bondage. And men and women do have different centers for suspension, but that's hardly something you would want to cover in an introduction to bondage! Really, though, men are typically bigger and need a little more rope, but other than that, both men and women have arms, legs, torsos, etc. that work about the same.

By the way, this model isn't limited to kink. Cookbooks, for example, work this way--you buy Joy of Cooking (a survey book) to get started, you try several recipes and realize that you want to learn more about French cooking, so you buy Mastering the Art of French Cooking.




thetammyjo -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 2:47:49 PM)

My first bit of advice is to read every book written about consensual bondage that is all ready in print or has been in print.

Only write your book if you can offer something that is original or there will be little reason for someone to buy your book over another book about consensual bondage.




cleaningsub -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 3:26:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Misstoyou

I like the idea, and I think you can translate the experience to "vanilla." I can envision it going from the technically simple (even starting with "mental bondage" ?) to the more complex. But Stephann is right. Perhaps you should tell us what elements/chapters you've already thought about, and then see if we can expand or supplement your ideas.

** Edited to add that if you're serious about making it a vanilla book, I think you would need to discuss techniques that apply to both sexes.


i think you are right about applying to both sexes.  i orginally was thinking of making this a coffee table type book with lots of photos showing techniques and i still may go that route.  i am still in the initial stages of planning so i am not pinned down on a formate yet.  i was first drawn to the project because i wasn't finding any good male type bondage photos.  i wanted to do a male bondage photo book.  i am still playing around with ideas.

al




cleaningsub -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 3:29:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: earthycouple

um...Well there are such books available already.  Midori springs to mind.  So I say there is a market


Yes there is a market for it and i know a lot of vanilla people are interested in it even though they don't always admit it. 

al




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 3:30:13 PM)

do they have an "Idiots Guide To Bondage"

LOL




cleaningsub -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 3:35:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PairOfDimes

Oh, an "intro to bondage" book? Check out Chanta Rose's Bondage for Sex--is that the sort of thing you want to do? There seems to be a good market for bondage books. However, I think most people who are absolutely new to kink go for "survey" books--books that cover a little bit of bondage, a little bit of spanking, a little bit of roleplay, and so on. Think of it as a Whitman's Sampler of kink. An entire book about a particular technique seems better suited to people who are already pretty well convinced that they like bondage (or genitorture, or electroplay, or whatever) and those books tend to cover very beginning techniques ("This is how you tie a single limb cuff,") and go partway into more advanced techniques as well ("This is how you do a shrimp tie,") perhaps because elementary bondage wouldn't fill a whole book.

As for writing from a submissive man's perspective--most bondage works irrespective of sex or gender. Genital bondage doesn't quite work the same way for outy parts as for inny parts, but that's only a very small, niche element of bondage. And men and women do have different centers for suspension, but that's hardly something you would want to cover in an introduction to bondage! Really, though, men are typically bigger and need a little more rope, but other than that, both men and women have arms, legs, torsos, etc. that work about the same.

By the way, this model isn't limited to kink. Cookbooks, for example, work this way--you buy Joy of Cooking (a survey book) to get started, you try several recipes and realize that you want to learn more about French cooking, so you buy Mastering the Art of French Cooking.


i haven't seen "Chanta Rose's Bondage For Sex" but i will look for it.  i don't want to add the sex element although that may be hard to do.  Survey books is a good idea and it is the way i am going.  i am aiming for someone new to bondage so giving them a wide overview would be best.  i am still thinking about how to do gender but you are right about the difference in bondage for men and women.  Thanks for the input.

al




cleaningsub -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 3:38:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

My first bit of advice is to read every book written about consensual bondage that is all ready in print or has been in print.

Only write your book if you can offer something that is original or there will be little reason for someone to buy your book over another book about consensual bondage.


Thank you.  i have already started looking at books and trying to go at it from a different angle.  What that angle is, i am not sure yet which is why i am asking you guys. 
Thanks,

al




cleaningsub -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 3:40:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

do they have an "Idiots Guide To Bondage"

LOL



i don't think anyone could write a book that big. lol

al




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 3:51:58 PM)

LOL...perhaps you're right




MisPandora -> RE: Bondage book (7/29/2007 9:03:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cleaningsub

i am a writer and i have decided to try and write a vanilla instructional bondage instructional book.  i got the inspiration from LilyRedd (Thank you very much).  My question here is what would you like to see in a book like this?  i plan on having lots of collaberators so please feel free to contact me.  i know this is a huge undertaking and i am not even sure how far to take this.  Any suggestions would be most welcome.

al

Didn't Jay Wiseman already write this beginners bondage book???????  And there's like 4 or 5 other books out there right now on bondage -- Midori, Bridgett Harrington, Knotty Boys, Chanta Rose (Bondage for Sex -- very vanilla written book) -- http://twistedmonk.com/book.htm has all of them listed in one place.




cleaningsub -> RE: Bondage book (7/30/2007 5:20:35 AM)

Didn't Jay Wiseman already write this beginners bondage book???????  And there's like 4 or 5 other books out there right now on bondage -- Midori, Bridgett Harrington, Knotty Boys, Chanta Rose (Bondage for Sex -- very vanilla written book) -- http://twistedmonk.com/book.htm has all of them listed in one place.
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Thank you for the link.  i read Jay Wiseman's book but not the others.  If i do this project, as someone already suggested, it will have to bring something different to the table. 

al




thetammyjo -> RE: Bondage book (7/30/2007 6:18:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cleaningsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

My first bit of advice is to read every book written about consensual bondage that is all ready in print or has been in print.

Only write your book if you can offer something that is original or there will be little reason for someone to buy your book over another book about consensual bondage.


Thank you. i have already started looking at books and trying to go at it from a different angle. What that angle is, i am not sure yet which is why i am asking you guys.
Thanks,

al


Since you mentioned a vanilla audience I think you aren't talking about an entire book just about bondage. Maybe a column in a magazine or a chapter or partial chapter in a general sex book -- there are a lot of those.

You'll want to look at vanilla books that offer sex advice and tips too.

Think about it. If they are vanilla they aren't likely to get a book about bondage but instead experiment with mild restraint that they find in the general sex books or in movies, videos, things like that.

Getting into bondage means they are crossing the line from vanilla to kinky. They may never do more than bondage but I personally would say they've gone beyond vanilla.

So identify your audience and remember to write to them not to you or to us.




cleaningsub -> RE: Bondage book (7/30/2007 7:15:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo


quote:

ORIGINAL: cleaningsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

My first bit of advice is to read every book written about consensual bondage that is all ready in print or has been in print.

Only write your book if you can offer something that is original or there will be little reason for someone to buy your book over another book about consensual bondage.


Thank you. i have already started looking at books and trying to go at it from a different angle. What that angle is, i am not sure yet which is why i am asking you guys.
Thanks,

al


Since you mentioned a vanilla audience I think you aren't talking about an entire book just about bondage. Maybe a column in a magazine or a chapter or partial chapter in a general sex book -- there are a lot of those.

You'll want to look at vanilla books that offer sex advice and tips too.

Think about it. If they are vanilla they aren't likely to get a book about bondage but instead experiment with mild restraint that they find in the general sex books or in movies, videos, things like that.

Getting into bondage means they are crossing the line from vanilla to kinky. They may never do more than bondage but I personally would say they've gone beyond vanilla.

So identify your audience and remember to write to them not to you or to us.



Great point!!! 




sophia37 -> RE: Bondage book (7/30/2007 12:44:37 PM)

Wait. Are you a writer or a photographer. You said, "i orginally was thinking of making this a coffee table type book with lots of photos" I sure hope you're a better photographer than you are a writer after reading this, "i have decided to try and write a vanilla instructional bondage instructional book." Say again? 




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