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The Act of submission - 6/28/2005 5:22:58 PM   
paradawg


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Status: offline 		Greetings gentle Ladies. My question may seem simple but it confuses me, and I have been active off and on for a few years . I am a masculine male , and I have switched, my appearance goes against me.When I have found "Dominate" Ladies they open up to me the need to also submit , which I don't mind so much but even a Top needs to let go to some one else. And it seems the Professional Dominate Ladies only play into the scene not as true lifestyle choice but as work..they seem bored .I look for that person that are freinds with out the collar and true dominate when I am on the leash . Having been a top I learned to tailor the scene to the submissives likes ,dislikes ,wants, need and fetishes to bring them deeper into subspace ,and keep the safe word away. Bringing them to the edge and back..if a safe word is used more than twice I feel I have failed the submissives desires. And when I am on the leash it should be the same . Where is that person that recieves submission as a gift not a right because they have the Title "Mistress" "Governess" " Lady" etc.. etc.. etc..
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RE: The Act of submission - 6/28/2005 5:29:59 PM   
LadyAngelika


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Status: offline 		I'm not sure I understand the point of your post.

Are you trying to make a distinction between those who are truly into D/s and those who just play? If so, you'll get a good debate on that here because even though people tend to participate at various levels, no one likes to be called a fake.

Is it that ProDommes aren't really doing it for real but rather for cash? I denote a hint of that with the "they seem bored" comment or the "Where is that person that recieves submission as a gift not a right because they have the Title "Mistress" "Governess" " Lady" " to which I would add that submission to me is neither a gift nor a right. It's something that my boy gives me... simple as that.

Anyhow, I'm grasping at straws here. Please clarify your point.

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RE: The Act of submission - 6/28/2005 5:56:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: paradawg

Greetings gentle Ladies. My question may seem simple but it confuses me, and I have been active off and on for a few years . I am a masculine male , and I have switched, my appearance goes against me.When I have found "Dominate" Ladies they open up to me the need to also submit , which I don't mind so much but even a Top needs to let go to some one else. And it seems the Professional Dominate Ladies only play into the scene not as true lifestyle choice but as work..they seem bored .I look for that person that are freinds with out the collar and true dominate when I am on the leash . Having been a top I learned to tailor the scene to the submissives likes ,dislikes ,wants, need and fetishes to bring them deeper into subspace ,and keep the safe word away. Bringing them to the edge and back..if a safe word is used more than twice I feel I have failed the submissives desires. And when I am on the leash it should be the same . Where is that person that recieves submission as a gift not a right because they have the Title "Mistress" "Governess" " Lady" etc.. etc.. etc..


Maybe the femdoms you're approaching aren't taking you seriously because you're calling them a 'dominate'.

The idea that you, being a masculine man, makes femdoms come to you and then desire to submit is a bit silly. Dominas dominate men from all walks of life, including incredibly masculine men -- like hockey players, for instance.

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RE: The Act of submission - 6/28/2005 6:00:26 PM   
paradawg


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Status: offline 		Thank you . You grasped the idea though I was going at iot from a left handed way. I don't desire to call any one fakers .It just seems that people are not as honest about their desires as they should be, What I am say if a "Dominate" either male or female wants to have sub time.. be honest about it. Because when a submissive wants to meet a dominate they want a dominate not a on and off again top. And you are blessed you seem to understand that submission is given willingly , not taken or taken for granted. Thank you again.
Scott...aka paradawg

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RE: The Act of submission - 6/28/2005 6:04:16 PM   
LadyAngelika


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Status: offline 		Ok... so you didn't come here to Ask A Mistress a question... you came here to lecture us! Interesting tactict.

Btw, I am not a Dominate. I am a Dominant. Dominate is a verb. Dominant is a noun or an adjective.

And Aakasha is right, as Dominants, we dominate all sort of men, and for Aakasha and I, especially hockey players!

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RE: The Act of submission - 6/28/2005 10:01:47 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		I am also not a Dominant who considers your submission a gift. It is, indeed something I take. Of course you must be willing to have Me take it, but I do not accept it as any sort of "gift". There is always a debate regarding submission as a gift, and I fall into the "not a gift" camp.
I always take into consideration what a boy's special buttons may be, and when I determine, those buttons are pushed.
I am not one who wishes to submit at times, nor do I need to be honest with you about My desires to submit, since I don't have any.
I am not trying to give you a hard time here, but I do notice that you are still not using the term "dominate" correctly". I dominate (verb) boys (and girls), and I do it all the time. I am a naturally strong leader. I don't have to be in scene to be what is perceived as a dominant personality. In this lifestyle, the term Dominant has evolved into the proper noun which is used to describe the orientation.
BTW, I had to check your profile to determine how you are indentifying. When I read your post I first thought that you were a submissive who used to be a Dominant, or perhaps, (a bit confusing) you might be a switch.

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RE: The Act of submission - 6/28/2005 11:28:48 PM   
Jasmyn


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Status: offline 		Hi Scott, understand what it is you are trying to say. You wish to find a strict dominant woman you can crawl around at her feet in worship and know that that dynamic is never going to change between the two of you. I agree, heck I pro dom myself, that oft times a professional session can feel like she is just going through the motions and outside that 1 hour session or whatever that woman who does just go through the motions would easily beg to be on her knees at your feet, so yup can relate to you feeling professional domination does not necessarily fullfill your need as it would for someone else.

I know subs who are alpha male in their every day life and have lamented the same comments to me, plenty of women willing to have him crawl at his feet but outside that professional or casual play element want him to dominate them... he find's it difficult to take them (being his fem dom) seriously outside and ultimately in scene.

I remember this one session I did, he arrived at the door, immediately after I opened it he was pushed to his knees and made to crawl into the nearest room where he was blindfolded and had his hands tied. What was to be a one hour session turned in to three hours of full on play, control and domination. Afterwards he recalled what I did when he arrived completely bowled him for a six and he loved every minute of it... he found someone who didn't just talk about control but quite willingly took it.

While you search desperately for this holy grail of subservience I'll keep considering the various male dominants who message me with exactly that very request. I kinda see it as guys like you want to be alpha boy, the top of the heap at Mistress's feet ... and your skills as a top should not be wasted and if you can find a Mistress to love honour and serve but who will utilise your 'masculine' presence elsewhere then good luck :-)

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RE: The Act of submission - 6/29/2005 2:51:30 AM   
DDignity


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RE: The Act of submission - 6/29/2005 3:05:34 AM   
paradawg


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Status: offline 		Thank you Jasmyn .I Think you nailed it on the head with a hammer.

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RE: The Act of submission - 6/29/2005 4:44:20 AM   
LadyAngelika


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Status: offline 		Wow. Ok, so that's what you were trying to say? Interesting. I have to be honest, that is not how I interpreted it. And I reread it many times. Kudos to Jasmyn.

Now that I think that I understand what you were trying to say...

Yes, one of my occasional boys has this same problem. He is 5'10", 225lbs, no fat, all muscle, shaved head, goatee, tattoed sleeves... all Fred Durst like. He has met Dommes from online who said that they couldn't feel a submissive vibe off him. This perplexed him. I have to say when you see this guy, the word "subbie" is probably the last thing anyone thinks of. But once I got to know him and I ordered him on his knees, I have to say he was one of the most obedient and devoted boys I've ever had serve me.

I always say I find it much more rewarding to overpower a Rottweiler then a Chow Chow.

- LA



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