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The FBI, and ATF have always watched the Militas, and Cults. Yes you have a "Consitutional right" to belong to one.... but you can bet your ass if one of them starts acting wonky it will get taken care of.
The Militas of old were formed with the provencials Govt's blessing back in the day. They could not afford to pay a standing army. It was a new Govt forming. The new militas of today are normaly anti govt survialist groups bordering on paranoid. < not that there isnt losts to be paranoid about out there... >
that is the problem with these militias. They are partial patriots. i was livid when i heard they were bouncing checks. i am totally against the fed reserve and the way they rape this country but that does not mean i am going to bounce checks to fight back. they were idiots.
you are of course correct that they are looking to make an example out of them again. How quickly people forget waco and murrah and just suck up whatever the gov feeds them.
i feel that we do need to go back to a citizens militia which really overides the state in effect since it in the final note falls upon us the citizen to uphold the laws of the land. Unfortunately the states succombed to many federal rules and laws that are unconstitutional so where does that leave them? any better than the feds? Where does that leave the militia? to take guidance from the state? it gets fun doesnt it?
Oh and of course wonky today is tanding up for your constitutional rights.
The thing is you have to as a State shovel the shit the Govt hands you... or you lose funding... plus when you are in management you think like management. I know.. I was management. I still think partialy like management. Unconsitutional is in the eye of the beholder... it really is sometimes. That is the great thing about that document. Like the bible it can become so twisted and confounded anyone can warp it's meaning to thier own ends. Oh and they do.
Bouncing checks, and collecting foodstamps and finacial aid to try to "bleed the beast" in my mind is just wrong. It doesnt hurt the govt, it hurts the Banks, and people trying to get loans from the banks that they really need, because then the banks mistrust poor people even more, and have to make up that revenue. It takes resources and food away from actualy needy families and children who do need it, which is nothing less then criminal, and heartless. Breaking laws because you do not trust or belive in your govt is no better then stealing money from the cash register at work because you think your boss should pay you more. Both are wrong and dishonorable. If you are "standing up for what is right" and disobeying the laws, and doing vicious things then how are you any better then the bastards you are decrying have done you wrong? Did no one learn from the French Revolution? How hate filled and fueled by anger that was? Every one, esp. in these times should look indepth at how the French Revolution happened, why it did, what occured, and how it came to an end. In hard times all love the idea of Revolution. But the carring out of one is no mean trick. It is never bloodless, and often it causes more harm then good. In thier case the end came out good, but it nearly destroyed a whole country.
Gwyn
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you totally missed my point. Yes i know how the federal money re-distribution system works.
Where peeps go seriously wrong is to think that the constitution is in the eyes of the beholder. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The interpretation of the constitution is based on its original intent. Anything not authorized and or amended in it is unlawful. Personally i use Blacks 5th and 6th edition law dictionary from the 1850s when talking about the constitution as the revised definitions distort that intent into something it is not. As an example try to go through the bible using todays definitions and you will be forever lost in la la land.
i said i was livid when i found out that these militias were clearly violating even constitutional law. It is one thing to fight tyranny with good and yet entirely another to fight tyranny with tyranny. Of course i do not agree with that.
Its an error to think you can bleed the beast. The beast has a blank check.
i have no idea where you came to the conclusion that i condone breaking law? Unless you really think the constitution can be anyway you wish to paint it for the moment? It is not, and it never will be.
Of course revolution is a bitch.
"The Declaration of Independence... [is the] declaratory charter of our rights, and of the rights of man." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Adams Wells, 1819. ME 15:200
"I am sensible that there are defects in our federal government, yet they are so much lighter than those of monarchies, that I view them with much indulgence. I rely, too, on the good sense of the people for remedy, whereas the evils of monarchical government are beyond remedy." --Thomas Jefferson to David Ramsay, 1787. ME 6:226
"A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:209, Papers 1:134
"To secure these [inalienable] rights [to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed... Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:429
"[It is] the people, to whom all authority belongs." --Thomas Jefferson to Spencer Roane, 1821. ME 15:328
"Most codes extend their definitions of treason to acts not really against one's country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government, and acts against the oppressions of the government. The latter are virtues, yet have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former, because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries." --Thomas Jefferson: Report on Spanish Convention, 1792.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
--Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787.
Do you really think the forefathers did not see exactly what is going on today happening and try to circumvent it by giving us a constitutional republic?
If you think i am for lawlessness you could not have missed the mark more. i am for a constitutional citezens militia. Not some group who runs off the premise of one line from it and to hell with all the rest.
You really need to study "fractional banking" to understand how banks are ripping this country off, i and others have made several posts regarding it and i am sure you know the federal reserve is not a governemnt agency right?
enjoy the jefferson quotes, most people out here have never seen them either.
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I, unlike some here, understood that. 
Always knew I had a thing for military guys, thought maybe there was some secret reason why.
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