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sudja -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (6/30/2005 5:07:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TiNeedsHouseboy
Above all, I have no tolerance for an alleged sub who imposes protocol on me when I never agreed to accept his submission.



I know it's a bit of a tangent, but I like that you state this.

Every time I hear "gift of submission" I cringe.

You can't give a gift to somebody who doesn't want it and/or has no interest in it.

I took some time to read your profile by the way, which relates to another topic I have been mentally bandying about for a bit.

Perhaps I'll start a thread.

::shudder::

sudja




LadyAngelika -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (6/30/2005 5:12:05 AM)

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Perhaps I'll start a thread.


sudja - there are a few and they always end up in semantic debates...

Let me show you the last one: The "gift" of submission

- LA





kc692 -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (6/30/2005 7:56:57 AM)

And apparently you read profiles also, from your choice of words......*w*




sudja -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (6/30/2005 5:51:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

Perhaps I'll start a thread.


sudja - there are a few and they always end up in semantic debates...

Let me show you the last one: The "gift" of submission



::scream::

::tears her hair out::

::winks::

::thanks you::

sudja




TiNeedsHouseboy -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (6/30/2005 7:11:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sudja


quote:

ORIGINAL: TiNeedsHouseboy
Above all, I have no tolerance for an alleged sub who imposes protocol on me when I never agreed to accept his submission.



I know it's a bit of a tangent, but I like that you state this.

Every time I hear "gift of submission" I cringe.

You can't give a gift to somebody who doesn't want it and/or has no interest in it.

I took some time to read your profile by the way, which relates to another topic I have been mentally bandying about for a bit.

Perhaps I'll start a thread.

::shudder::

sudja




Hi, Sudja! Even in other groups' forums, the concept of submission turns into semantic disputes, ramblings, pontifications, etc. IMO, submission is defined by the unique interplay between each dominant and sub. Since no two people are alike, since no two serving relationships are identical, how submission manifests itself will be a function of the interpersonal dynamics between those specific people. That's likely why people have difficulty defining its essence, driving force, and manifestations.

Your assessment about not being able to give oneself to disinterested parties hit the nail on the head! It’s true in any dyadic relationship – no matter how kinky or vanilla.

Perhaps one of the oddest notions I've seen involved being one's own dominant or submissive -- when stuck without a partner. I gave it some thought. It simply would not work for me.

I'm curious about your other remark: reading my profile related to "another topic" you've been "bandying about." May I ask what that topic is and what in my profile provoked you to ponder it?

Just wondering in Ti-Land....

~ Ti ~




NightRoseBud -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (6/30/2005 8:56:24 PM)

I will often time glance at the profiles of people on my admirers list, but have never really seen a reason to contact them. I figure if they want to talk to me, they will do so in their own time.

The only time it bugs me is when an admirer is from another state or country. I have said in my profile and journal that I am only looking in one area, and why they would put me on their favorites list, I don't understand. ::shrugs::




subfever -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (6/30/2005 9:57:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kc692

I think Goddess is as high as it gets, smiles........


Especially from the view down below!




OralPassions -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (6/30/2005 10:21:40 PM)

Thank you for your thoughts I have been reviewing on post. I wanted to comment on this response .

The only time it bugs me is when an admirer is from another state or country. I have said in my profile and journal that I am only looking in one area, and why they would put me on their favorites list, I don't understand. ::shrugs

RoseBud


I agree with you Rosebud but also with others input of following your possible profile changes or if they are considering or actually moving locally to your area. (I'm certain that's rare) LOL




kc692 -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (7/1/2005 4:48:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subfever


quote:

ORIGINAL: kc692

I think Goddess is as high as it gets, smiles........


Especially from the view down below!



RFLMAO[:D][:D] Ah, so you are one of the lucky ones, smiles......




sudja -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (7/1/2005 12:06:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TiNeedsHouseboy


I'm curious about your other remark: reading my profile related to "another topic" you've been "bandying about." May I ask what that topic is and what in my profile provoked you to ponder it?



While I like and concur with your belief that "getting to know somebody" is a good first start in building any relationship, vanilla or D/s or M/s or whatever....

What I don't quite "get" is the entire "application" process. It just seems very dry to me.

Yours is more of a personal matchmaking type - with interests, etc., which does make more sense than most to me.

But the folks who post (or have in their profiles) "Taking applications now" just .... make me shake my head for a lot of reasons.

sudja




NightRoseBud -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (7/1/2005 6:47:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OralPassions
I agree with you Rosebud but also with others input of following your possible profile changes or if they are considering or actually moving locally to your area. (I'm certain that's rare) LOL


True, that is one way to look at it. But one of my admirers is from Fairbanks, Alaska. That is a definite far cry from Orlando, Florida. lol




TiNeedsHouseboy -> RE: Mistress's your thoughts & views on this online Etiquette (7/5/2005 1:46:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sudja remarked:

While I like and concur with your belief that "getting to know somebody" is a good first start in building any relationship, vanilla or D/s or M/s or whatever....

What I don't quite "get" is the entire "application" process. It just seems very dry to me.

Yours is more of a personal matchmaking type - with interests, etc., which does make more sense than most to me.

But the folks who post (or have in their profiles) "Taking applications now" just .... make me shake my head for a lot of reasons.



Sorry for the delay in responding. I've had my hands full. (No houseboy, as is apparent from my profile.... and no, that wasn't intended as a joke.)

My profile reflects more of a "personal matchmaking" process because I'm seeking a serious, long-term relationship, not a series of kinky scenes.

As part of this reply, I wanted to track down a Jack Rinella quote for you about the notion of applications. Since it's intertwined with the notion of petitioning, here's one of Jack's essays on the topic, which you might find intriguing:

http://leatherviews.com/cols/column.asp?id=571

Jack and I have significantly different life goals. (He's a bisexual Switch, with a preference for dominance, men and sadism. When Jack dreams, he dreams BIG!!!! He dreams of owning 17 slaves, plus maybe including a lover in his poly household, plus perhaps having a Master to top him. At the present time, Jack has one long-term slave, Patrick, plus he just passed the six month mark with a second slave, who's moving into his household.) Still, as one online buddy noted, Jack is "quite the force" in the BDSM community. If you don't already read his weekly free e-zine, I highly recommend it. You can sign up for it by clicking the "Free E-zine" tab at the top of the page on the LeatherViews site.

I don't request that someone immediately petition me. I do, however, expect a detailed, WRITTEN essay-type, self-description/introduction, designed as complementary (NOT complimentary.... I don't want some sycophant; I loathe insincerity) to my profile. In my experience, the endless inundation of attempts to bypass this requirement have been mind-blowing!

Anyone who expects to enter my life must be able to intellectually amuse and captivate me. Without the ability to engage me cognitively, a guy will never make an emotional dent. Without that dent, I have no interest in attempting or cultivating any type of D/s dynamic.

In addition, if someone is willing to invest time in creating a personalized, detailed reply, there's a higher probability that the guy's motivation is genuine.... as opposed to the parade of losers, wankers, posers and wannabes, who can't/won't step into real-time.

A precious few have invested that effort to win my attention. Sadly, I've caught each of them lying through their teeth. That's unacceptable and the "getting to know you" process grinds to an immediate halt. IMO, anyone who lies from the get-go will end up bypassing the length of Pinocchio’s nose by a yardstick!?!

BTW, since you read my profile, I tried to read yours. Did you deactivate it (and if so, why?), or have you not written one yet?

~ Ti ~




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