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saturnpie -> Tips for a new master (7/30/2007 4:25:07 PM)

Hi everyone, I've enjoyed posted sparingly and lurking in the forums very much, so here is my first thread.

Anyway, my boyfriend and I have been getting into the BDSM in the bedroom, but he feels like he's "doing all the work" (me being the sub, him being the dom).

I can completely understand where he's coming from. If he's got me tied up, there's not much I can do. I was wondering, what suggestions do you have that could include more actions that are pleasurable to him? On thing I do have him do are get on top of me and have me give him a blow job... Things maybe of that kind of manner is what I'm looking for.

And another quick question: is there a good website that sort of sets up a scene for beginners to try? I have looked at beginner BDSM websites, but all they talk about is safety (I get the idea... SSC and everything). I suppose I could look up some lit, but I am hoping there's something specifically aimed at beginners with how-tos.

Thanks for the input!




earthycouple -> RE: Tips for a new master (7/30/2007 4:52:14 PM)

Um.....Who is the dominant and who is the submissive?  You have him do things for you to make it easier on him?  He feels like he's doing all the work when he has you tied up?

If he's too lazy to put in the work it takes to carry out a bondage scene, there will not be much we posters here can do to help out. 

Please clarify your post if I'm confused here....




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Tips for a new master (7/30/2007 5:50:06 PM)

Try asking yourself and him "What can I do to make his life easier/more fulfilling?"

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PairOfDimes -> RE: Tips for a new master (7/30/2007 6:51:46 PM)

Short lesson:
"active" is one thing--you can be the active person in the scene, the giver of sensation, etc., without actually being the one controlling the scene. Similarly, "passive" people don't have to be the submissives--they're just the ones being "done to". Foot worship, for example, involves one person sitting in a chair, passive (or lying on a bed, or whatever) and another person busily rubbing and kissing the feet, active. Often, the rubber is submissive and the sitter is dominant.

So, your boyfriend is saying that he's not crazy about being active all the time, I think. Sure, that's fine. Does he like being served--perhaps massaged, or otherwise fussed over? That's a service activity, and it would allow you to keep your submissive/dominant roles while letting him be pampered. A more sexual option: he could tie your hands--to a chest harness is my preference, although to your upper arms or behind your back would also work--and then lie back and request that you straddle and fuck him. Oral sex is lovely, too--and there's no reason that he has to get on top of you (although that's fun)--couldn't he lie back and accept the blowjob from you, perhaps throwing in a direction? Many submissives like being directed by their hair or necks when giving blowjobs, and that might help--again, bondage is also good. If you and he favor lying-down blowjobs, and you have difficulty supporting yourself to, er, piston up and down, without your arms, your wrists could be tied in front of you to one another, or to his thighs, or to your chest (this gives you elbows to use to move up and down). Behind the back works wonderfully for sitting-up blowjobs.

(Note: the above won't work very well if being "done to" is what gets you off, rather than taking direction and obeying--but that's a matter for a different thread, I guess.)

Setting up a scene? Like a sort of prefab scene? No, I don't know of a website like that--it would be fairly hard to do, anyway, because there are so many ways to do all the fun activities possible in scenes. Even when I start to think about first steps, I realize that *I* like bondage a great deal, so I typically make bondage happen early in the scene, but it's not a requirement for everyone, and I've done some fun scenes without bondage, too. Many people like to begin with rituals--kneeling, kissing hands, things like that--but then again, when you and your partner are mostly into sensations, and the dominant/submissive power roles don't matter to you, then those rituals don't happen--nor do they happen when you want to do rape fantasy or takedown scenes, or many other roleplays like doctor's office.




Kinkypupper -> RE: Tips for a new master (7/31/2007 6:24:41 PM)

Sounds like you both need to learn a bit.
Go to local munches and get involved with the local scene in person
Go to some BDSM Events like "Kinkfest" "Leatherwoods" or "Folsum fringe"

and toss away at least 90% of the crap you read on the internet.




Valyraen -> RE: Tips for a new master (7/31/2007 8:47:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: saturnpie

Hi everyone, I've enjoyed posted sparingly and lurking in the forums very much, so here is my first thread.

Anyway, my boyfriend and I have been getting into the BDSM in the bedroom, but he feels like he's "doing all the work" (me being the sub, him being the dom).

I can completely understand where he's coming from. If he's got me tied up, there's not much I can do. I was wondering, what suggestions do you have that could include more actions that are pleasurable to him? On thing I do have him do are get on top of me and have me give him a blow job... Things maybe of that kind of manner is what I'm looking for.

And another quick question: is there a good website that sort of sets up a scene for beginners to try? I have looked at beginner BDSM websites, but all they talk about is safety (I get the idea... SSC and everything). I suppose I could look up some lit, but I am hoping there's something specifically aimed at beginners with how-tos.

Thanks for the input!



Your boyfriend's problem is, if only a bit, related to the fact that the two of you are bedroom-BDSM (not raggin' on you for that, by the way). When Kitten (AquaticSub) and I scene, I'm the one doing almost all of the work unless I direct her otherwise. Outside of the bedroom, though, Kitten puts a much larger multiplier of physical effort into our relationship than I do. I don't have a problem with being the active one when it comes to our sex life, since I'm admittedly a sadist and enjoy seeing her writhing in pleasureable torment... also since I'm a control freak (with a capital F-R-E-A-K), I've got some issues sometimes just lying back and letting things be done to me.

Now, to address the first question: like you said, there's not a whole lot that you can do if he's got you tied up. If he doesn't suffer from the sort of need for control that I do, you could have him lie back and enjoy a BJ, or straddle him and ride (though I always seem to end up being the one doing all the work when Aqua does that...). There's also the classic porn position - sit him down in a chair, straddle him with your back against his chest, bend forward, and work your hips to stimulate, which would take some of the need to be active off of him. Without knowing more about the two of you and your dynamic, I'm afraid those are the only suggestions I can make off the top of my head.

As to your second question: I don't know of any newbie-BDSM-scene sites. With the definition of "scene" being so open for interpretation, it's hard to make any suggestions without knowing the definition that works for you and your dominant. The scenes between Aqua and I, for example, are far different from the scenes she does with the other people I let her play with, yet they're both valid as far as defining what a scene is.

Hope this helps,
Valyraen




Focus50 -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/1/2007 4:21:17 AM)

To me, D/s is essentially a *control* dynamic and if your b/f doesn't naturally get off on his partner being bound, helpless and at his whim, then I seriously doubt any amount of suggestions, books or sites is gonna change that.  Sure, they'll probably educate him on what you're getting off on but I get the feeling that, to him, it's just kink rather than exercising control.
 
Hell, even in a kink sense, I find it difficult to rationalise that your b/f thinks having a bound and naked female at his disposal amounts to him having to "do all the work"!!!!  lol
 
I think your D/s is in trouble - controlling you doesn't seem to be *his* need.  You'll need a Dom for that....
 
Focus.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/1/2007 8:18:39 AM)

Focus,

As usual we disagree 100%.  Looking at the FACTS here, the husband has been enjoying the dominance and control of the SUBMISSIVE woman so that perhaps the SUBMISSIVE husband can return the favor...

Dominance isn't some supernatural force only rare individuals are graced with and it isn't something that is all or nothing.  Good chance these two with better communication skills can find an elegant comprimise that makes them quite happy and I wish them the best of luck with it.




EclipseAbove -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/1/2007 9:41:52 AM)

I'm going to take a stab at this from a slightly different direction.  If I just pick out the "he's doing all the work" and the request for websites that "setup the scene", I think I can relate to the situation and see where your boyfriend is coming from.  The situation I've been facing for many years might be similar to what he is experiencing.  Many times it feels like I have to think of everything, initiate everything, make all the preparations and then actually do everything while my wife/slave just shows up naked, kneels and awaits further instructions.  And while I'm far from lazy, having to be creative and do all the work, all of the time becomes extremely difficult if not impossible.  If your boyfriend feels something like that, there are things that both of you can try.

I have my slave write down the things that she is in the mood for/fantasies/etc. in the form of letters or a journal.  I suppose it could be done verbally, but I like being able to look back through old entries to get more ideas.  That really helps me on the idea front.  I have also encouraged her to playfully be bad in order to initiate things.  She is pretty good at being over the top, so I don't mistake her sudden clumsiness as being genuine.  If the surprise and unknown factor weren't such a big thing, I'd make her do much of the preparations for the scenes.  But I don't want to spoil the surprise, so I just have to accept that will always be my job.  When it comes to activities during the scene, I quite often have her doing most of the work (for the sexual activities) and usually she is bound in some way which just increases the difficultly level on her part.  But for most of the s/m and bondage activities, she simply can't help out.

Hope this helps out.




Valyraen -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/1/2007 10:04:05 AM)

Eclipse, you just reminded me of something that Aqua and I do. Before we start to play, I'll send her to the toybox and have her pick out an item (or two, or three, depending on how much creative energy I have) that she'd like me to use on her. It keeps me fresh and also takes away some of the pressure on me to map everything out beforehand.




labrat18610 -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/1/2007 3:45:28 PM)

Hi;
I'm a submissive/slave/houseboy type. I'm into the D, but not into the B,S&M part. So I have no idea how the hell you're supposed to "work" when you're bound and gagged.  Yet, maybe, my limited experience with Masters may help. At first, would be Masters are happy to find a willing partner. It's kinky, sexy and a power trip, but he's still essentailly your bf.  Then as you progress more into the M/s role, the responsibilty of being a Master hits him. It ain't fun no more. I've had a Master complain that he was "exhausted" by having to give orders. The poor thing! Then there's something that clicks in his brain. He goes from role playing to being a Master. You can see the change. One Master plopped down in his easy chair, like it was the most comfortable thing in the world, he said, "Yeah, I am the Master".
Hope this helps you.
Rick




Focus50 -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/2/2007 3:37:26 AM)

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Focus,

As usual we disagree 100%.  Looking at the FACTS here, the husband has been enjoying the dominance and control of the SUBMISSIVE woman so that perhaps the SUBMISSIVE husband can return the favor...

Dominance isn't some supernatural force only rare individuals are graced with and it isn't something that is all or nothing.  Good chance these two with better communication skills can find an elegant comprimise that makes them quite happy and I wish them the best of luck with it.

Given your stunningly infantile reply the last time you quoted me (paleroses's "I have a theory" thread), I'll regard any disagreement on your part as a validation of my views....
 
But to be fair and objective, I've re-read the OP a few times and I can only conclude your "FACTS" are a total figment of your own flowery imagination. 
 
Let's just agree you'll always "disagree 100%" with me so that there's no further need for you to keep following me about on site, k?  You've got nothing I'd ever want; I can live with that.... *wink*
 
Focus.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/2/2007 3:56:24 AM)

Tips for a new master?

I'd say 15-18% is appropriate.

(Edited to add: Depends on the service, of course.)




SimplyMichael -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/2/2007 7:18:25 AM)

Focus,

In other words, you have no idea what I am talking about and are just trying to fake it.  I remember when I was like you, bitter and angry at the world.  Lucky for me I grew up.




Faramir -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/2/2007 7:38:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
I remember when I was like you, bitter and angry at the world.  Lucky for me I grew up.


That's irony, right?

[;)]




Wyrd -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/2/2007 9:39:29 AM)

All this would depend on his interests, he may not be into bondage, not all Doms are, he may be more just into the kinky play aspects.

In my daily life, Bondage and S&M play very little role in it, however controlling my girls and having them serve me does, we play when the mood strikes me to play, but that is only every few days.

If he feels like he is "doing all the work", then perhaps you need to look into serving him in a manner that does nto require him to do work, and to do both, so that it is more balanced.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/2/2007 10:37:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Faramir

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
I remember when I was like you, bitter and angry at the world.  Lucky for me I grew up.


That's irony, right?

[;)]


Faramir,

Good eyes, it is indeed ironic that a complete ass like I was could turn into such a talented dominant as myself.  Thanks for the compliment!  Glad to give hope to people like yourself and Focus.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/2/2007 10:39:55 AM)

Christ, you guys are so aggressive.  Like can't we all just get along?

Anyway, I'm laughing all the way to the pussy.  I take all the energy that other men waste on fights with other men, and use it to fuck women instead.




MadRabbit -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/2/2007 1:55:23 PM)

I would say as of right now, he is the Top and you are the Bottom.

Personally, I didnt like doing all the work as the Top and didnt really get too much enjoyment out of being a Top so I am not really a Top anymore.

I am still a Dom though...just not a Top. Its pretty sweet because as the Dom, we do what I want which is not Topping.

I would go to a munch and try and meet people and educate yourself.




BitaTruble -> RE: Tips for a new master (8/2/2007 2:30:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: saturnpie

If he's got me tied up, there's not much I can do.


Au contrairie! There are tons of things you can do as a bottom. (I don't call it work, but then I don't call topping work anyway.. s'all fun to me!)

First and foremost, is, tied up or not, you get to feed him! Feed him your energy.. let it come out of you and bounce right into him. Moan, wiggle, laugh, cry, scream, move your fingers, your toes, your eyes .. whatever it is your feeling, don't hold that back from him. Wanna sing Pat Benetar's "Hit me with your best shot"? ..let it all out! Physically show him that you enjoy and appreciate the energy he's putting into you by giving it back to him. Doing so will help to invigorate him so he doesn't feel drained after a session.

Tied up, gagged, blindfolded and unable to even move, you can still be entertaining and contribute to any scene in which you participate. Have the 'can do' attitude and you can do it!

There are a lot of things you can do before the scene starts as well. Get out the blankets and bottles of water - it's just as important for a Top to hydrate as it is for a bottom - and make him a little snack tray with some fresh fruits and light proteins to help him keep his strength up. Make sure that you take on the job of keeping the toys clean and in good working condition.. oil your leathers, polish your brass and all that sort of stuff. Get out several different CD's so he can choose the music he wants, offer to light candles if that's his thing and always make sure the space you're in smells good. Bind your hair if need be so it doesn't get in his way. Think about what things 'you' would appreciate and do those for him! Provide aftercare to your Top (if that's his thing).. damp towelettes to wipe the sweat, a glass of wine, lots of cuddles or a long bubble bath or dip in a jacuzzi are all great ways to unwind after a long scene and just bask in the glow of each other. And don't forget to say THANK YOU! My simple thanks for all he's done just thrills Himself to no end and makes him laugh. We tend towards giddy after a session rather than pass-out (although.. there are those times.. lol) and enjoy each other's company, talking about the session, what we loved about it, what we might like to try a bit differently and just bouncing ideas off each other.

You're only limited by your own imagination on what you can do.

Best of luck to you,

Celeste




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