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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/6/2007 12:35:30 PM   
MisPandora


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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

I'm wondering where this stupid notion came about that every dominant lives in a fire trap?

I'd bet there is a significant amount of folks who likely burn candles for light or ambiance while playing.  In hindsight, it's probably not the smartest thing to do, given the nature of most of what we play with.  Even tossing aside a towel one wipes hands with could wind up atop the votive holder....and well, up goes the gothic decor, the wood, the flowy white pirate shirt he's wearing, etc.

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/6/2007 12:51:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		legal issues aside, as i think the laws of the land would frown severely upon many of the everyday activities of most people here....i don't understand why so many get up in arms over the issue of a Master confining a slave and then leaving the premises for a reasonable period of time. there can be very significant reasons why a Master may choose to do such a thing, and it often leads to growth and a tighter bond between Master and slave. to take the sort of safety measures some here have advised would defeat the entire purpose of such an exercise.


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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/6/2007 8:08:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rover
And while you're absolutely correct, I thought it might be interesting to note that state and federal laws, along with school and university policies, have specific exemptions for sporting events.  No such exemptions exist for BDSM.


So let's try to get BDSM reclassified as a sporting event! :)

It can be competitive, aerobic exercise ...

We could start with getting some sorts of pony play classed as a sport to set a precedent (cart pulling?), and work our way down.


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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/6/2007 8:13:18 PM   
dogthing


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Status: offline 		Indiana law:

IC 35-42-3-3
Criminal confinement
     Sec. 3. (a) A person who knowingly or intentionally:
        (1) confines another person without the other person's consent; or
        (2) removes another person, by fraud, enticement, force, or threat of force, from one (1) place to another;
commits criminal confinement. Except as provided in subsection (b), the offense of criminal confinement is a Class D felony.
    (b) The offense of criminal confinement defined in subsection (a) is:
        (1) a Class C felony if the person confined or removed is less than fourteen (14) years of age and is not the confining or removing person's child; and
        (2) a Class B felony if it:
            (A) is committed while armed with a deadly weapon;
            (B) results in serious bodily injury to a person other than the confining or removing person; or
            C) is committed on an aircraft.

The words that jump out at me here are: "without the other person's consent;"

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/6/2007 8:18:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dogthing

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover
And while you're absolutely correct, I thought it might be interesting to note that state and federal laws, along with school and university policies, have specific exemptions for sporting events.  No such exemptions exist for BDSM.


So let's try to get BDSM reclassified as a sporting event! :)

It can be competitive, aerobic exercise ...

We could start with getting some sorts of pony play classed as a sport to set a precedent (cart pulling?), and work our way down.




BDSM Olympic teams.

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/6/2007 8:25:47 PM   
dogthing


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BDSM Olympic teams.


Endurance trials, maybe?

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/6/2007 8:32:35 PM   
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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 8:05:37 AM   
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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 9:08:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

I've had the notion for some time now of a touring percussion/show ensemble, ala Stomp! or BlueMan Group, only using choreographed scening

*startles to the horrors of SM Riverdance in really bad fetishwear*
Did someone say something?

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 9:13:35 AM   
Alumbrado


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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 9:45:47 AM   
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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 10:08:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I understand the thoughts behind people that say it builds trust and that the slave is 'probably' safe; the likelihood of fire or other emergency being remote.  Remote- yes- but not impossible.  Is it really any different than leaving a young child home unattended?  The Dom or Top is responsible for the safety and well being of His or Her charge; and leaving them incapacitated, even as a consenting adult, makes the person in the cage no more able to act in such times than a helpless child.  Would you leave a child home alone and just figure it's ~probably~ going to be alright?  I know from a legal point of view, if you did- and the child was injured (or worse) you'd be in a heap of trouble; not to mention that it's just bad parenting. Even if playing the odds seem to dictate that junior would be safe and fine upon your return- it's just a really BAD idea.  If the Dom is responsible for the safety of the sub- and leaves the home with the slave unable to deal with the situations that may arise- how is it any different?  

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 10:33:21 AM   
daddysprop247


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Status: offline 		sweetNsmart, i hear you, but do you realize what an existence a person would have if they applied that line of reasoning in regards to everything they did in life? the fact is that any life worth living involves some degree of risk-taking from time to time, the level and frequency of risks is up to the individual to decide. and in fact the very point in such an exercise (leaving a slave locked in a cage unattended) may be to make the slave feel in a very real sense just how vulnerable, helpless and powerless they are, therefore providing a sharp reminder of their place and reinforcing the M/s bond.

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 10:39:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

I've had the notion for some time now of a touring percussion/show ensemble, ala Stomp! or BlueMan Group, only using choreographed scening


Actually there allready are groups that do that, I went to a few at a theater in Jax florida...

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 10:59:20 AM   
came4U


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Status: offline 		if a subby falls in a cage and her dom isn't around to hear it..

he went to far from the scene to hear her safeword. Bad, bad.

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 11:26:57 AM   
sweetNsmartBBW


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Status: offline 		Hi daddysprop...

Risk is a good thing, I have no problem with it.  Then again, my risk taking tends to lean toward SSC, not RACK. 

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying.  I understand where you are coming from.  It's just that even as property, I'm valuable property- not just in my eyes- but in the eyes of any Dom I'd be in that situation with.  Valuable enough that He'd not be willing to take those kinds of risks with my safety.  It certainly might remind me of my place; then again...he could lock me up in there for hours on end and be in another room going about his business, there to make sure I'm safe in case of emergency- but still keeping me caged- and I can't see where the effect on me would be any different- except that my health and safety would not be in jeopardy.  

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 3:36:18 PM   
dogthing


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Status: offline 		If you live with a chainsmoking dom(me) who smokes in bed and smokes while drunk, and likes candles, and you live in an old badly-maintained block with a bunch of winos, drug addicts and mentally ill people including pyromaniacs, and your landlord might want to torch the place for the insurance then fire is a serious issue.
If your dom(me) doesn't smoke and isn't into candles, you live in a single-storey detached house away from bushfire regions, and nobody hates you enough to want to set fire to your house, and your domme is always very careful to make sure that the cooker/soldering iron/arc-welding kit is switched off and safe before they leave the house, then it's less of a problem. Smoke detectors are a good idea too, for when your dom(me) is in but asleep.

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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 4:08:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dogthing

Indiana law:

IC 35-42-3-3
Criminal confinement
     Sec. 3. (a) A person who knowingly or intentionally:
        (1) confines another person without the other person's consent; or
        (2) removes another person, by fraud, enticement, force, or threat of force, from one (1) place to another;
commits criminal confinement. Except as provided in subsection (b), the offense of criminal confinement is a Class D felony.
    (b) The offense of criminal confinement defined in subsection (a) is:
        (1) a Class C felony if the person confined or removed is less than fourteen (14) years of age and is not the confining or removing person's child; and
        (2) a Class B felony if it:
            (A) is committed while armed with a deadly weapon;
            (B) results in serious bodily injury to a person other than the confining or removing person; or
            C) is committed on an aircraft.

The words that jump out at me here are: "without the other person's consent;"


The trouble becomes, here, at what point the consent is revoked.

If I have gagged the slave in question, it's a little difficult for her to say she's revoking consent.  I can be found guilty, since I have removed the opportunity for her to revoke consent.

Yet still, it's a lot like proving rape being consensual or not.  Very murky stuff, and hard to prove.

Stephan


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RE: Unlawful Confinement - 8/7/2007 5:24:47 PM   
dogthing


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Status: offline 		Well, at least with BDSM, if its going to be a long scene and you have notice days in advance, you have the chance to download  and fill out a kinky slave contract or permissions slip, without it neccessarily killing the mood. Talking about exactly what's going to happen can heighten the anticipation, and a slave contract, even if not strictly legal can set out what the subbie is consenting to, and can be taken as a statement of intent and expectation changes their mind afterwards. You could always use a gothy font and red ink or something to make it more fun. I know its not going to work well with all types of scene, but it could be fun in some of them.

That's not an option at all in vanilla life, is it? Think how many times a woman goes out to get drunk and get laid, then wakes up next to something horrid and decides that in order to preserve her self-esteeem she's going to decide that she must have been coerced.

Casual "vanilla" sex is a dangerous business! At least with BDSM its considered okay to sit down and discuss at length exactly what someone likes. You don't get that with vanilla. A girl asks you back to her place, and you find out too late that she insists on shagging to Barry Manilow, or she wants to call you daddy, or insists that you spend ten minutes talk ing to her nipples (which she's named), or she has some complicated literary fantasy that involves you pretending to be a character from Pride and Prejudice. Mills and Boone has a lot to answer for, I tell you.
If only there was a "vanilla" checklist that you could peruse where you could tick Jane Austen or painful back-scratching or singing "Onward Christian Soldiers" during sex as hard limits, things would be a lot simpler.

With BDSM you at least get some advance notice of what you are likely to be in for.

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