Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line

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justinfun -> Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 11:51:43 AM)
I am in an odd situation .. I'm a 42 year old Daddy Dom playing with a 21 year old daughter. I enjoy the nurturing, mentoring aspect of the Daddy/daughter play more than the disciplinarian. It has created a bit of a switchy dynamic to the roles. In my 42 year's, I've just dabbled in the lifestyle. In her 21 years she has been in a long term M/s relationship, been topped or topped in more scenes than I have. We've slowly built up the intensity of play, but she's used to a much higher level of intensity including severe humiliation and pain. She's been open that she wants more intensity than we've had and has been patient as I "catch up" in experience. I'm not going to push past my skills and put her in danger. Lately, she's become much more bratty in an obvious attempt to get a reaction out of Daddy. I am planning a day long scene this week where we reestablish the boundaries and end the bratty behvoior (she knows it's coming and is looking forward to it almost as much as I am). Essentially, the scene will be a "Daddy's been too soft and you are getting way out of bounds so here's your punishment and a firm set of rules" kind of scene. Are there any other Daddy Dom's out there that have let the nurturing side of things overtake the discipline and had to snap things back? Love to hear your experiences and what you did.

MzMia -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 11:57:08 AM)
Look, I can't wait to hear the idea's you get, I will be back to take some notes. plenty of little bad boys to go along with the bratty girls [sm=meh.gif]

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 12:04:57 PM)
LOL my partner could probably write the book on this. But again, he's got that thread of steel in him. So when he notices things are getting a bit frazzled, he'll just throw me down and smack on me awhile. Since we both really want eachother to enjoy what's going on all the time, it's rare that it actually means anything's going wrong.

Faramir -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 12:09:23 PM)
Maybe don't have a scene--maybe just use her like she's your owned cunt-daughter. If she does something you don't like, crack her across the face, make her get down on her face and thank you for unfucking her. Even better, don't crack her one when she's bad--just crack her one whenever the fuck you feel like it. Just take what you want--if a girl like that gets knocked down, brutally ass-raped and then made to suck clean the dick she get's butt-reamed with, it does a lot to give her a sense of her place and position. I'm 40, my little girl is 21, and while we don't have any brat or SAM dynamic, like your little girl, mine craves intense pain and humiliation. Except she doesn't crave them as them, but rather, is grateful that I use her as I see fit. The pain and the humiliation are the fruit of that power dynamic--each blow and returned kiss is the dynamic made manifest. Is it possible your little girl doesn't want "scenes" but rather needs you to take ownership?

justinfun -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 12:25:35 PM)
Faramir You are really dead on as to the purpose of the "scene" as I called it. Though I sense you and I are different in the dynamic of our relationships both our girls crave similar things. You were more accurate than I was in what needs to occur.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 12:38:11 PM)
justinfun, What has kept you from being as intense as SHE wants and what has changed to allow you to do it now? Are you changing to keep a 21 year old or are you changing into what you want to be?

justinfun -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 12:57:24 PM)
SimplyMichael Great question and one I could create a blog on because I have over analyzed it so much. She's a 21 year old worth keeping but that isn't it. It has been three things really. I've found parts of me that I didn't know were there, the upbringing I had put a lot of this into the do not enter zone and I'm a bit of a perfectionist and have been overly concerned with technique. I almost wish I could meet her all over again because this has been such a learning process for me. Before I met her "control" was a light binding and a smack or two on the ass before love making and a cuddle on the couch. I've discovered that my old boy scout knots have uses that I would never have imagined at 17 and didn't think available to me at 41. So as this old dog has learned new tricks or put old tricks to new uses he's worried more about the presentation instead of keeping track of the toy. What's motivated the change? I feel like I'm holding myself back. It is one thing to read about things, another to play with them and another thing entirely to take the control I want. And I feel that time has come.

Archer -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 1:28:32 PM)
There are low end skills you can use very safely but at very high intensity. Pinching, pokeing, grappling, shift from giving warm ups to a flat out spanking with no warm up, Snatch her by the hair push her to the floor and sit on her smack, pinch, poke, until you feel the power shift a good bit. Sounds like she is looking to be overpowered, grapling and torments ater tend to work well for most in that area. Ear flicks, nose flicks, thumps to the knoggin, nuggies, "frog" the arm or leg. Then let them up and take them down again 3,4,5 times in one evening. All the time telling them they get up when you allow them up and you'll take them back down when you want to take them down.

robertolapiedra -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 2:02:10 PM)
quote: I am planning a day long scene this week where we reestablish the boundaries and end the bratty behavior (she knows it's coming and is looking forward to it almost as much as I am). Hello justinfun. Whatever suits you, as I would not pretend to know what is going on between you two. But if you want a "real" (non play) disciplinary scene (training?), you should not say "where "we" reestablish the boundaries"...you should say "where "I" establish (not reestablish) my boundaries" of acceptable behavior. Unless all you want is to "play" at it, and have her push your buttons anytime she wants to "play"? That can be fun too. But if it is not your "fun", and you are just stepping up to some level of discipline (or play) just to please miss Bratty here, well good luck to you. If you really "want" some discipline from your sub, you should start by having some yourself and start intervening on the spot, in the "now" aspect of things. Don't make it "fun" by setting up a "play scene" in the future. You will never be credible in this department. Then again, maybe that's what you want? As for answering your post, when I have that type of behavior my sub loses all privileges. Example of privileges for some doms: Looking at me, talking to me, going out when I'm not there, driving my car (take the bus), clothes (buck naked or you wear what I tell you), food (you do not set up the menu), standing (on your knees when I adress you), sleeping resting (when I tell you), TV, telephone etc. Get the Idea? Slapping the face or whipping the ass of a pain slut will get you nowhere. Threatening to stop play scening and cutting the daily Oprah fix on TV will probably get her attention. You can be a very nice "nurturing" daddy without being a "pussy daddy". RL.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 3:49:33 PM)
I know I tend to crave a lot of dominance, but when Daddy tries to be well, dominant, I say things like I don't want to or I will later, or no daddy I didn't do my school work, and we're long distance so not much we can really do in that instance.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 4:58:59 PM)
As many have said, it all depends on where her triggers are. With mine I might say "you will get X intensity" when you obey this or that command or change this or that behavior. Make her obey FIRST then give her what she wants. This is a classic case of topping from the bottom. I realize you are saying YOU want intensity but she is acting out to get it and you are about to reinforce that behavior. Tell her to fuck off, she wants a god damn dominant then fucking obey. ONLY after she has been good will you use the shit out of her, but on YOUR terms not hers, when YOU want to, NOT on here schedule. In some ways you ARE turning up the intensity but it is like a mindfuck, you are telling her she is NOT going to get here way but doing it exactly the way she wants but because of how you are doing it, it masks the intent, or at least it should. It is like giving a taste of something forbidden by turning your back and pretending not to notice them sneaking a taste but knowing all along once they taste it they can't say no. Just don't tell any of the submissives this stuff!

MadRabbit -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 6:39:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Faramir Maybe don't have a scene--maybe just use her like she's your owned cunt-daughter. If she does something you don't like, crack her across the face, make her get down on her face and thank you for unfucking her. Even better, don't crack her one when she's bad--just crack her one whenever the fuck you feel like it. Just take what you want--if a girl like that gets knocked down, brutally ass-raped and then made to suck clean the dick she get's butt-reamed with, it does a lot to give her a sense of her place and position. I'm 40, my little girl is 21, and while we don't have any brat or SAM dynamic, like your little girl, mine craves intense pain and humiliation. Except she doesn't crave them as them, but rather, is grateful that I use her as I see fit. The pain and the humiliation are the fruit of that power dynamic--each blow and returned kiss is the dynamic made manifest. Is it possible your little girl doesn't want "scenes" but rather needs you to take ownership? And this is why my profile says I dont equate my relationship to involving "scenes". I agree completely. Ownership simply "IS" for me.

MzMia -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 7:31:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: robertolapiedra quote: I am planning a day long scene this week where we reestablish the boundaries and end the bratty behavior (she knows it's coming and is looking forward to it almost as much as I am). Hello justinfun. Whatever suits you, as I would not pretend to know what is going on between you two. But if you want a "real" (non play) disciplinary scene (training?), you should not say "where "we" reestablish the boundaries"...you should say "where "I" establish (not reestablish) my boundaries" of acceptable behavior. Unless all you want is to "play" at it, and have her push your buttons anytime she wants to "play"? That can be fun too. But if it is not your "fun", and you are just stepping up to some level of discipline (or play) just to please miss Bratty here, well good luck to you. If you really "want" some discipline from your sub, you should start by having some yourself and start intervening on the spot, in the "now" aspect of things. Don't make it "fun" by setting up a "play scene" in the future. You will never be credible in this department. Then again, maybe that's what you want? As for answering your post, when I have that type of behavior my sub loses all privileges. Example of privileges for some doms: Looking at me, talking to me, going out when I'm not there, driving my car (take the bus), clothes (buck naked or you wear what I tell you), food (you do not set up the menu), standing (on your knees when I adress you), sleeping resting (when I tell you), TV, telephone etc. Get the Idea? Slapping the face or whipping the ass of a pain slut will get you nowhere. Threatening to stop play scening and cutting the daily Oprah fix on TV will probably get her attention. You can be a very nice "nurturing" daddy without being a "pussy daddy". RL. I agree with Robertolapiedra {as usual}. IF you want to play, play. IF you need to discipline her, discipline her. Master Roberto, I love the way you take away all privileges. Especially taking the bus {I never thought of that one, you could also put her on the bus and drive her car! [;)]}, looking at you and speech restrictions!{wonderful}, and taking away t.v. privileges. I am in the camp that punishment should not be fun!! Yes I am radical! I love you guys! [:D]

robertolapiedra -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/6/2007 10:34:53 PM)
quote: you could also put her on the bus and drive her car! Hello MzMia. What a mind! You are verrrrrrrrry bad! But I'm not sure if I'm "uber" enough to do that... unless I would sleep in a locked room? You think? RL.

MisPandora -> RE: Scene Planning -- Daddy Dom needs to get a bratty daughter back in line (8/7/2007 12:44:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: justinfun SimplyMichael Great question and one I could create a blog on because I have over analyzed it so much. She's a 21 year old worth keeping but that isn't it. It has been three things really. I've found parts of me that I didn't know were there, the upbringing I had put a lot of this into the do not enter zone and I'm a bit of a perfectionist and have been overly concerned with technique. I almost wish I could meet her all over again because this has been such a learning process for me. Before I met her "control" was a light binding and a smack or two on the ass before love making and a cuddle on the couch. I've discovered that my old boy scout knots have uses that I would never have imagined at 17 and didn't think available to me at 41. So as this old dog has learned new tricks or put old tricks to new uses he's worried more about the presentation instead of keeping track of the toy. What's motivated the change? I feel like I'm holding myself back. It is one thing to read about things, another to play with them and another thing entirely to take the control I want. And I feel that time has come. I'm reaching here, but it feels almost as though there's some guilt involved in going beyond where you've been going, or perhaps a bit of madonna-whore syndrome where you've got her up on a pedestal? Own the feeling inside you that you desire to control her and then execute it. She will likely appreciate you for it all the more.

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