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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 11:18:53 AM

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every day is a dark day for kinky people when we keep trying to push what we are down the throats of (public familes political cricles so and so on) just piss them off and they make up new laws to say go to your corner and begood

I don't see anyone pushing anything down anyone's throat.....now many might have thought about it in your case, but I think everyone just wants the same tolerance for their behaviors as the rest of the world is afforded.....I know my Lesbian daughter would like to have legal custody of any child her partner bears.....and *I* would like to not have to cross so many t's and dot so many i's to play in the fashion I choose with an CONSENTING *adult*.

i can see your point if this was true though then why is it the rest of the world is puching to change their laws on such things i posted a link about a new uk law that will be pushed through the house of commons

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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 11:31:11 AM

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every day is a dark day for kinky people when we keep trying to push what we are down the throats of (public familes political cricles so and so on) just piss them off and they make up new laws to say go to your corner and begood

I don't see anyone pushing anything down anyone's throat.....now many might have thought about it in your case, but I think everyone just wants the same tolerance for their behaviors as the rest of the world is afforded.....I know my Lesbian daughter would like to have legal custody of any child her partner bears.....and *I* would like to not have to cross so many t's and dot so many i's to play in the fashion I choose with an CONSENTING *adult*.

i can see your point if this was true though then why is it the rest of the world is puching to change their laws on such things i posted a link about a new uk law that will be pushed through the house of commons

I was responding to your insinuation that those who engage in BDSM are pushing their way of life down other's throats so those "others" are changing laws to keep us from doing what we enjoy.......Sheesh.....not only don't you understand what you read, you don't understand what you write.

Ms Cass--- who is disengaging from replies to LatexBaby, it's just not worth my time...

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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 11:35:53 AM

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By George, I think she's got it!!!

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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 11:40:48 AM

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By George, I think she's got it!!!

LOL......I never have been accused of being the quickest on the "uptake"......

Thanks for the laugh....it's been a "dark day" here ....but we needed the rain so I won't complain about the darkness.

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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 11:41:52 AM

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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 12:05:48 PM

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um again we have things like NCSF that are political activist so everyone time someone crys foul what do you think that means not only that you see it in all kinds of media.. just my take on what i see out there

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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 12:12:59 PM

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The dichotomy of respecting the rights of those involved in safe, sane and consensual relationships while protecting and aiding the victims of non-consensual abuse still remains a blurred, sometimes even unfathomable concept for most vanilla lawmakers and law enforcers.
To my knowledge you can't legally consent to be abused because such behavior is considered pathological and a form of paraphilia. In other words, you can't consent if you aren't sane and you can't be sane if you consent to be harmed, is how the law interprets it. Until THAT perception is addressed and rewritten in the psychiatrist's bible, the law will always be able to cause problems for BDSM'ers. Admittedly, I'm behind the times, such perceptions may have changed. Kudos if they have. I can't really connect the dots with the original poster's reference to the basic reality for those participating in BDSM, myself. Any laws that protect victims of domestic violence and provide them with aid and resources is a positive direction for our society as a whole. I wish the law had been stricter when I was struggling to survive an abusive relationship that was all but vindicated by the law simply because we were married. The sad truth was the dog my husband killed had more rights than I did as his wife because it ISN'T ok to harm animals, but in Loiusiana (10 years ago), it was ok to kick your wife and set her straight.

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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 12:16:22 PM

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To my knowledge you can't legally consent to be abused because such behavior is considered pathological and a form of paraphilia. In other words, you can't consent if you aren't sane and you can't be sane if you consent to be harmed, is how the law interprets it. Until THAT perception is addressed and rewritten in the psychiatrist's bible, the law will always be able to cause problems for BDSM'ers. Admittedly, I'm behind the times, such perceptions may have changed. Kudos if they have.

A couple of decades ago, IIRC.

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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 12:36:39 PM

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A couple of decades ago, IIRC.

Well, a couple of decades ago was quite a bit beyond my experience . By half as much, but I understand what you are saying. I of course hope that perceptions have evolved since I was active just 4 years ago, but as far as I know, it is still a sad truth that many states subsribe to the belief that any non-conforming sexuality is an aberration. It is true that what is construed as paraphilia varies from society to society, and BDSM is more widely acepted in many places, the threat still exists for people who live the Lifestyle.

Please don't think I'm an alarmist. Neither am I a civil activist. I haven't been a card carrying member of the NCSF for a LONG time!

If times have changed that much and it is now legally permissable to be chained to a X and flogged till you can kiss the padlock on the pearly gates of heaven, I'm all for donning my leather boots and corsette and waving my flogger in one hand and the BDSM flag in another right on the steps of the Capital.

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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 12:56:25 PM

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I was referring to the DSM. The inclusion of every day sado-masochism as a paraphilia is now passe, and someone would have to be unable to function normally because of the activities for them to reach the level of a diagnosed disorder.

What you say about the law is obviously true for those who have ended up on the wrong end of it, but those courts aren't citing the current DSM to lock up people for a bedroom spanking, they are playing morality police, without help from the medical community as a whole.

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RE: a Dark Day for kinksters - 8/8/2007 1:08:51 PM

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I was referring to the DSM. The inclusion of every day sado-masochism as a paraphilia is now passe, and someone would have to be unable to function normally because of the activities for them to reach the level of a diagnosed disorder.

What you say about the law is obviously true for those who have ended up on the wrong end of it, but those courts aren't citing the current DSM to lock up people for a bedroom spanking, they are playing morality police, without help from the medical community as a whole.

Ahh, yes, I concede your point. Though sadly the morality police subscribe to many professions, even the medical community. Thank you for the clarification, well said.

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