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LadyEllen -> "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:42:14 AM)

It looks like the white paper for the proposed Criminal Justice Act is now out, within which is the wording for what is proposed to be an "extreme image" that will fall foul of the new law. The section dealing with the new law is lengthy, but this is the definition of "extreme image" taken from it; (NB, the image must have been made for the purposes of sexual arousal).

"An “extreme image” is an image of any of the following –
a)      an act which threatens or appears to threaten a person’s life,
b)      an act which results in or appears to result (or be likely to result) in serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals,
c)      an act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse,
d)      a person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal,
 
where (in each case) any such act, person or animal depicted in the image is or appears to be real."

Its also important to note that an "extreme image" could be commercial pornography - but also covers your own snapshots of your own activities.

Now, (c) and (d) I dont see any issues with.

Part (a) though is less clear to my reading - clearly it would cover practices that are definitely life threatening - I'm thinking breath play of all sorts for instance. Indeed the motivation for the proposed law arose from a man being convicted of strangling a woman and that he was an avid viewer of pornography dealing with that subject. There remains however, significant debate over whether viewing leads to or motivates enacting, or whether viewing is what a person does who is already predisposed to enacting. 

The problem I see, is that it could be argued that any form of injury is life threatening, depending on the receiver of the injury and the type of injury. The appearance is also made more important than the reality in this wording, and there is the issue of interpretation - what two people deem life threatening may be highly variable.

Part (b) at first sight appears to be good news in that it specifies serious injury to specified areas of the body. Again though - what is serious injury, and in the case of the anus, is caning the buttocks likely to result in serious injury to the anus? Again, interpretation and variability come into play. Certainly, images of CBT are going to fall foul meanwhile.

We can all evade this law, should it ever become law, by not taking photographs or making pictures of our own. However, given that one surfs the net one is bound at some point to come across an image which could get one into trouble - we're talking jail and more seriously being made to sign as a sex offender.

E




RCdc -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:43:39 AM)

LadyE -
Just as a question - can you access the backlash site?  I haven't been able to at all for days.
 
Peace
the.dark.




LadyEllen -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:44:37 AM)

Hi D

I got in a few days back alright but havent tried lately - will give it a go

E




LadyEllen -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:45:38 AM)

Yep - no problem at all

E




RCdc -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:47:14 AM)

Thank you very much Lady E.  I can;t understand why it wont open for me...[&:]

Peace
the.dark.




camille65 -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:48:22 AM)

Hijack [:D]
LE, is that a new pic? If so.. it is fantastic! If not um, I guess I haven't been paying attention lol. Either way I realllllly like it.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming of British legalese.




LadyEllen -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:51:18 AM)

Hi Jenny - yes, all new pics on my profile since last week - and thanks for the compliment! Although I made that one my main photo as its about as unglamorous as I could find!

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Alumbrado -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:54:10 AM)

Is this law going to cover the popular slasher movies which clearly meet all the elements mentioned?  
Or are scantily clad women being strangled and stabbed OK, as long as someone is making a truly huge amount of money?




RCdc -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:55:33 AM)

Sorry if I hijaked the thread with backlash - back on topic - this really relates big time to Darcy and I and really is quite an invasive law.
Like yourself, I have no problem with c) and d) - and see its reasoning.
 
But the other two are incredibly open to misuse and misunderstanding.  If we do not fight this law, then how many people will be convicted?  That effects everyone when it means that taxes will be effected because the courts are bursting.
 
Peace
the.dark.




LadyEllen -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:57:01 AM)

The law excludes "artistic" works Alumbrado, but I guess it depends whether one thinks such productions constitute art or pornography?

E




RCdc -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 6:58:42 AM)

It's suppose to exclude 'artistic' works AL.  But then, who is going to determine what is artistic and what is porn?
 
Peace
the.dark.




LadyEllen -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 7:01:35 AM)

Hi D

I think backlash is worth mentioning, so its not a hijack. For those who dont know, Backlash is a campaign group working for bdsm rights and so involved in resisting this proposed legislation. Google backlash.org - their site is where I got my extract from in the OP.

I'm with you totally on all this - I'm not a sex offender for goodness' sake, yet this law would make me one. I should go to prison, lose everything, get beaten up by and sexually abused by the real sex offenders in what would be a male prison, for having a picture?

E




Alumbrado -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 7:02:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

The law excludes "artistic" works Alumbrado, but I guess it depends whether one thinks such productions constitute art or pornography?

E


I was afraid of that... of course government bureaucrats and lawyers will be the best equipped to know 'artistic' when they see it, hmmm?

I join you in hoping that this sinks like a rock.




Politesub53 -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 7:15:01 AM)

Hi Lady Ellen, part A seems quite clear, part B is ambiguous as it has the words " Appears likely to result in " included. So to me, anal play with a large toy " Could " possibly be included, due to the danger of tearing.

The following secting goes on to state what an image is. This seems to be anything that could be converted into a phot, or a short clip lifted from a film. It would seem a film will be considered as a work of art. I guess thats due to the funny talking voice overs and cheesy music. [:D]




FullCircle -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 2:24:10 PM)

This proposed new law is really scary mainly because it’s one big grey area. I’d imagine ‘serious injury to anus’ would also cover anal hooks, ‘possible serious injury to breasts’ could include breast bondage and needles, as previously said ‘threat to human life’ would most likely include breath play. Who is to judge what is a threat to human life or may result in serious injury?

For me the art vs. porn argument just doesn’t cut it unless you believe all those people wanted to watch A Clockwork Orange out of some sense of nostalgia. People went to see it because of its reputation for sexual violence. You could argue this is what the government is trying to cure; our sick modern day society.

For me it’s a thought crime and even people that haven’t harmed anyone or even been involved in the activities depicted will be judged as criminals. Meanwhile the police can’t even get a grip on people going around shooting people in the head. So the government creates laws against crimes that our police force can solve with a mouse and a keyboard. Helps the crime figures I suppose. The police also want to take our DNA for dropping litter now. Soon every newborn baby will have their DNA information taken and the police won’t have to do any investigating at all. If your DNA is found at a crime scene you will be guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. Don’t expect the police to help you out by actually investigating a crime and finding non DNA related evidence to backup the DNA evidence.

The timescale for this new law seems to keep shifting I was wondering if anyone knows what the new time scale is.




earthycouple -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 2:28:05 PM)

I'd also like to know what "serious injury" is defined as. Would putting needles through nipples be serious injury by this law?  hum.




LadyEllen -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 3:00:27 PM)

Went surfing and found the below - it is taken from the Crown Prosecution Service website and seems to indicate that "serious injury" is what is dealt with in the Offences Against The Person Act under "grievous bodily harm" - aka "gbh". It is surely then going to be difficult to establish "serious injury" if the image depicts anything not likely to fall under the category of "gbh"? This could be a get out, since most SSC images are going to depict "common assault" - ie not "serious injury" or at worst "actual bodily harm" - aka "abh" as defined by the CPS own website!
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section5/chapter_c.html

"Common Assault"


Thus, although any injury that is more than transient or trifling can be classified as actual bodily harm, the appropriate charge (subject to Para (viii) below) will be contrary to section 39 where injuries amount to no more than the following:

Grazes;
Scratches;
Abrasions;
Minor bruising;
Swellings;
Reddening of the skin;
Superficial cuts;
A 'black eye.'
"Actual Bodily Harm"



As stated in paragraph 1(vi) above, the factors in law that distinguish a charge under section 39 from a charge under section 47 are the degree of injury resulting and the sentencing powers available to the sentencing court. Refer to paragraphs 1(vii) and (viii) for instances where common assault will be the appropriate charge. Where the injuries exceed those that can suitably be reflected by a common assault a charge of assault occasioning actual bodily harm should normally be preferred. By way of example, the following injuries should normally be prosecuted under section 47:

Loss or breaking of tooth or teeth;
Temporary loss of sensory functions, which may include loss of consciousness. T v Director of Public Prosecutions, [2003] Crim. L. R. 622
Extensive or multiple bruising;
displaced broken nose;
minor fractures;
minor, but not merely superficial, cuts of a sort probably requiring medical treatment (e.g. stitches);
psychiatric injury that is more than mere emotions such as fear, distress or panic. In any case where psychiatric injury is relied upon, as the basis for an allegation of assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and the matter is not admitted by the defence, then expert evidence must be called by the prosecution. (R v Chan-Fook, 99 Cr. App. R. 147, CA).
"Grievous Bodily Harm" - note that this is where "serious" is first used



Grievous bodily harm means serious bodily harm. (Archbold 19-206). It is for the jury to decide whether the harm is serious. However, examples of what would usually amount to serious harm include:

injury resulting in permanent disability or permanent loss of sensory function;
injury which results in more than minor permanent, visible disfigurement; broken or displaced limbs or bones, including fractured skull;
compound fractures, broken cheek bone, jaw, ribs, etc;
injuries which cause substantial loss of blood, usually necessitating a transfusion;
injuries resulting in lengthy treatment or incapacity;
psychiatric injury. As with assault occasioning actual bodily harm, appropriate expert evidence is essential to prove the injury.
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FullCircle -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 3:20:02 PM)

If it was simply that it resulted in GBH fine but the use of the phrasing ‘likely to cause..’ is what I have a problem with amongst other things. The prosecution could wrongly argue many BDSM activities are likely to cause GBH and then you find yourself trying to prove to a jury of people uninitiated to the lifestyle that this is in fact false. In any case no one wants to be one of the first test cases; be publicly outed, loose your job, have your neighbour’s wonder why your PC is being taken away etc.




RumpusParable -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 3:28:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

c)      an act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse,



Damn.




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: "Violent Porn Law" in UK - white paper extract (8/8/2007 3:38:29 PM)

a)      an act which threatens or appears to threaten a person’s life,
lets see there goes breath play and strangle rape role play among that suspended bondage with lots of caneing flogging whipping cropping and oh yea cbt




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