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Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/2/2005 10:23:10 AM

Euryanx

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Just finished reading Elsie Sutton's book "Female Domination: An exploration of the male desire for Loving Female Authority."

Anyone else read it? If so, what did you think?

Personally, I thought it was excellent. It's really about Female Supremacy. She says that all men are naturally submissive, and have an innate desire to be dominated by females. She says boys grow up bossed around by their mothers and other female figures while growing up, so it's a natural part of the male's psyche.

She lists a lot of statistical things that shows females are superior to males. Today more women are graduating college than men... women have better memories... better communication skills... they use more areas of the brain (55.4% gray matter vrs 50.8% in males)... they have better senses... they are beginning to dominate the corporate world... According to Sutton, the battle of the sexes is over, and females have clearly won.

She also says that all through history men have realized women's power and have sought to keep them as second class citizens. The Bible is a prime example. Our society has been conditioned by things like religion to keep women down. Man's fear of women's superiority is what caused all of this in the first place.

The book also has a lot of good advice. She says a lot of men come to her asking how to make their wive's the Dominant partner in the relationship. So she gives a lot of practical advice on how a man can naturally get his wife to dominate him... by doing very simple things, like just serving her constantly. She also gets into a lot of more sexual areas like feminization, strapons and orgasm denial, all as methods of controlling the male and keeping him happily submissive.

All in all, a good read if you believe in Female Supremacy.

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/2/2005 12:12:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Euryanx

Just finished reading Elsie Sutton's book "Female Domination: An exploration of the male desire for Loving Female Authority."

Anyone else read it? If so, what did you think?

Personally, I thought it was excellent. It's really about Female Supremacy. She says that all men are naturally submissive, and have an innate desire to be dominated by females. She says boys grow up bossed around by their mothers and other female figures while growing up, so it's a natural part of the male's psyche.

She lists a lot of statistical things that shows females are superior to males. Today more women are graduating college than men... women have better memories... better communication skills... they use more areas of the brain (55.4% gray matter vrs 50.8% in males)... they have better senses... they are beginning to dominate the corporate world... According to Sutton, the battle of the sexes is over, and females have clearly won.

She also says that all through history men have realized women's power and have sought to keep them as second class citizens. The Bible is a prime example. Our society has been conditioned by things like religion to keep women down. Man's fear of women's superiority is what caused all of this in the first place.

The book also has a lot of good advice. She says a lot of men come to her asking how to make their wive's the Dominant partner in the relationship. So she gives a lot of practical advice on how a man can naturally get his wife to dominate him... by doing very simple things, like just serving her constantly. She also gets into a lot of more sexual areas like feminization, strapons and orgasm denial, all as methods of controlling the male and keeping him happily submissive.

All in all, a good read if you believe in Female Supremacy.

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She says that all men are naturally submissive, and have an innate desire to be dominated by females. She says boys grow up bossed around by their mothers and other female figures while growing up, so it's a natural part of the male's psyche.

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excuse me a minute here. please. i am trying hard to grasp this. i will assume---you ARE talking about middle class to upper class people?
in MY background, personally, no bluecollar family has the mom as the head of household, therefore the father figure is the man-of-the-house and HE lays down the rules. SO, being PATERNAL......as i was taught, there was NO female role established, other than doing as SHE was told also.
so this is a new concept for me.
i was raised VERY domineering. VERY macho. i was taught not to get on my knees for NO ONE. didn't matter where you come from, or who you think your daddy is .........i'm not impressed.
okay. back to it here. i would be SO curious to know where this woman got HER information. sure don't fit in MY background. or, am i just one more time the exception to the high social rules?

thanks bud.
take care.

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/2/2005 3:02:00 PM

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I agree with much of Elise Sutton's philosophy and my own Master's Thesis supported some of her statistical findings as well. The term "Female Supremacy" is one that has been hotly debated for a long time within the fem dom community. I will readily admit that not all woman are "superior" to men, neither are all men "inferior" to women. So much of it is dependent upon socialization, and what is normative behavior for ones culture. I see D/s as an agreement, and a manifestation of ones internal motivation, I do not believe that to become engaged in a power exhange that one must be "inferior" or "superior" to the other. It is about Will. Do you have the will to be served, or to serve? Patriarchal dominance has subjugated woman for centuries, however there exists cultures today in which the gender roles are greatly varied then our in western civilization, and historical speaking much of the subjugation of woman by society can be directly related to organized religion, (and not just christianity).

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/2/2005 3:14:04 PM

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quote:

Just finished reading Elsie Sutton's book "Female Domination: An exploration of the male desire for Loving Female Authority."

Anyone else read it? If so, what did you think?

Personally, I thought it was excellent. It's really about Female Supremacy. She says that all men are naturally submissive, and have an innate desire to be dominated by females. She says boys grow up bossed around by their mothers and other female figures while growing up, so it's a natural part of the male's psyche.

I think Elise Sutton (not Elsie) has some interesting things to say but I disagree with the whole female supremacy bit. I think it's a load of sexist baloney. But of course, that is my opinion ;)

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/2/2005 6:42:46 PM

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I've never had to feel supreme in order to exert my control.

Be well,
Julie

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/2/2005 11:36:44 PM

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lonewolf, everyone's background is different. Sure, not every woman in blue collar or white collar America is going to have a Dominant attitude... there are plenty of men who rule as king in their castle. I'm guess Ms. Sutton was just speaking about those families where the woman rules - like in cases where there is no father figure. It has an affect on their sons. I guess where the author errs is by going to extremes saying ALL men are submissive, when clearly not all are. Everyone's upbringing and needs are different. You can't stereotype an entire gender as smartest, strongest, superior, etc... It's best to take each person as an individual, with their own spectrum of qualities.

Eden, you make great points. I like what you said about "will." It's all about individual needs and choice. Read another great book recently called "His Needs, Her Needs," by a marriage counsellor named Willard Harley. He says everyone has a varying combination of a dozen needs... like affection, sex, companionship, conversation, financial support... Harley says relationships break down when the other partner is not meeting your top 5 needs. He says most couples haven't a clue as to their own partners needs... and that communicating exactly what you need to make you happy, is vitally important in a relationship (and something many married people never verbalize).

Angelika, oops. My mistake. Elise not Elsie, got it. And to think I was once a journalist. On our local newspaper the first thing they told me was to check and double check the spelling of people's name, because nothing irks people more is seeing their name spelled wrong. My apologies to Ms. Sutton.

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/2/2005 11:41:43 PM

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quote:

I guess where the author errs is by going to extremes saying ALL men are submissive, when clearly not all are. Everyone's upbringing and needs are different. You can't stereotype an entire gender as smartest, strongest, superior, etc... It's best to take each person as an individual, with their own spectrum of qualities.

And considering this is one of her biggest arguments, it's hard to take the rest of what she writes seriously.

As I said, she has written some interesting things, but I really hesitate to refer anyone to read her.

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/3/2005 12:00:05 AM

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Someone could write a book saying females are the lowest of the low or men are the lowest of the low all you have to do is only put in the details that are needed for your book and any examples you use make sure it is one that you can easily dissect and show how its really the opposite sex thats in control.

Im sure its a good read and has some truth to it but so is the Da Vanci code.

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/3/2005 12:12:07 AM

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Personally, I have two problems with Elise Sutton's work. The first is exactly what imtempting is referring to. I totally dislike wholesale stereotypes of genders or races or occupations or sexual orientations, etc. There may or may not be tendencies to certain behaviours or qualities in a category, but Elise Sutton paints with too wide a brush for me. Her insistence that every woman is a ripe candidate as a dominant is something that is easy to refute simply by asking a lot of the female submissives here (especially the ones trying to convert their vanilla husbands).

But the other major problem I have is that with all the "female supremacy" stuff she projects, her website is still a paean to all the Domme stereotypes that I hate. This picture of this overly curvy woman, walking on six inch heels and with a perpetual sneer on her face just grates on me I'm afraid.

Now, I know that she is a major hero to a lot of the male submissives I have met over the last few years, but every time I get directed there I just find more things to dislike.

Just my personal opinion,

Alix

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/3/2005 12:53:57 AM

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Alix, you make some interesting points, and raised a thought that floated through my head while reading her book... She does pinpoint a lot of male submissive fantasies. I wonder if she could be a man writing as a woman, directing her work at exactly what a lot of submissive males want to hear. Because you're right, her web site is hardly an example of supremacist creative genius, it's rather old and tired. I mean, if she's trying to fight for female supremacy, why use images on her web site that present female Dominants as stereotypes?

Is Elise really a submissive male in drag, a woman with very clever marketing skills, or the Dominant that she presents herself to be? Any thoughts?

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/3/2005 1:28:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Euryanx

Alix, you make some interesting points, and raised a thought that floated through my head while reading her book... She does pinpoint a lot of male submissive fantasies. I wonder if she could be a man writing as a woman, directing her work at exactly what a lot of submissive males want to hear. Because you're right, her web site is hardly an example of supremacist creative genius, it's rather old and tired. I mean, if she's trying to fight for female supremacy, why use images on her web site that present female Dominants as stereotypes?

Is Elise really a submissive male in drag, a woman with very clever marketing skills, or the Dominant that she presents herself to be? Any thoughts?

assume for a moment, this "author" IS female...i still disdain the way it is written.

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/3/2005 7:46:54 AM

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But the other major problem I have is that with all the "female supremacy" stuff she projects, her website is still a paean to all the Domme stereotypes that I hate. This picture of this overly curvy woman, walking on six inch heels and with a perpetual sneer on her face just grates on me I'm afraid.

And even worse, we women that are curvy and like walking around in super high heels are type casted as female supremacists ;)

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/3/2005 6:55:50 PM

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I've never been a fan. I believe that there are certain feminine *traits* which have been historically viewed as inferior to masculine ones. (and believe me, I don't think only people born with pussy can be feminine)

I believe that in order to give these traits and these ideas their due female Domination is an act of balance and sanity...I think it's a GOOD thing....

but I don't think that being born with the pussy makes me "superior." I'm very itchy around notions of "superiority" based on birth alone, I think that you get into some extremely dangerous territory when you open that door...baaaad karma.

I also find that Sutton's emphasis on male chastity and the suppression of sex as a way to get your man to heel...while effective and fun, believe me....well I'm also a very lusty postmodern girl. I like fucking. I'm not into the virginal domestic Ice Queen thing, and I've never seen it as necessary to hold the reins.

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/3/2005 8:17:25 PM

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Unfortunately many women withhold sex hoping to reign in their men. All it really causes is the man to find another woman that will satisfy his sexual needs. In a real sense men can withhold sex from their wives by cheating on them. And then this can lead to the woman finding a man to satisfy her sexual needs. It really goes around in the same circle. And then this can all be blamed on lack of communication, blah blah blah.

Do I think men are superior? In some roles Yes.

Do I think women are superior? In some roles Yes.

Has one sex really nailed it yet? Hell No.

In the past Daddy ruled the corporate world and Mommy ruled the home. Today the lines have shifted and in some places mixed. Do women possess those traits that were quoted? Quite possibly the answer to that is yes.

I am curious how many of those women are from broken homes or from homes with no money. These women might have said "screw that that is not happening to me like it did my mom, or mom and dad." And good for them.

Also think for a second. Women do outnumber men 2-1 in some places more. So would it not seem reasonable to believe that the higher numbers reflect this statistic?

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/4/2005 3:14:16 AM

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I'm also a very lusty postmodern girl. I like fucking. I'm not into the virginal domestic Ice Queen thing

Woohoo! Love it.

I had a male sub refer me to Elise's site and my first thought was: who needs this kind of pressure? Aloof, remote, superior and cold...yea, like that's me. Ha! I'm happy to say it's not, and I wouldn't be compatible with a boy that wanted a relationship with that dynamic at it's core.

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/4/2005 11:16:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy
I also find that Sutton's emphasis on male chastity and the suppression of sex as a way to get your man to heel...while effective and fun, believe me....well I'm also a very lusty postmodern girl. I like fucking. I'm not into the virginal domestic Ice Queen thing, and I've never seen it as necessary to hold the reins.

Good for you!

The Dominant women I've been seriously involved with, did not like fucking. They had an attitude that they didn't want to do anything that made the male feel masculine. I think it was a mental, control issue, plus, some women just don't seem to care about vaginal intercourse.

The chastity thing all sounds great on paper. It seems like a nice fantasy, putting your entire sex life into the hands of your Dominant partner, but I wonder if it really works in reality. I've had my Dominant partners tease and deny me for periods of time, but they never resorted to actually using a chastity device. I think that would drive me crazy.

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/4/2005 12:56:12 PM

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It works!

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/4/2005 1:19:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: Euryanx

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy
I also find that Sutton's emphasis on male chastity and the suppression of sex as a way to get your man to heel...while effective and fun, believe me....well I'm also a very lusty postmodern girl. I like fucking. I'm not into the virginal domestic Ice Queen thing, and I've never seen it as necessary to hold the reins.

Good for you!

The Dominant women I've been seriously involved with, did not like fucking. They had an attitude that they didn't want to do anything that made the male feel masculine. I think it was a mental, control issue, plus, some women just don't seem to care about vaginal intercourse.

The chastity thing all sounds great on paper. It seems like a nice fantasy, putting your entire sex life into the hands of your Dominant partner, but I wonder if it really works in reality. I've had my Dominant partners tease and deny me for periods of time, but they never resorted to actually using a chastity device. I think that would drive me crazy.

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The chastity thing all sounds great on paper. It seems like a nice fantasy, putting your entire sex life into the hands of your Dominant partner, but I wonder if it really works in reality. I've had my Dominant partners tease and deny me for periods of time, but they never resorted to actually using a chastity device. I think that would drive me crazy.

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yeah--------what SHE said!

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/4/2005 4:36:57 PM

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I also find that Sutton's emphasis on male chastity and the suppression of sex as a way to get your man to heel...while effective and fun, believe me....well I'm also a very lusty postmodern girl. I like fucking. I'm not into the virginal domestic Ice Queen thing, and I've never seen it as necessary to hold the reins.

I echo your sentiments 100%. I like my sub boys to be virile fuck machines ;)

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RE: Elsie Sutton's "Female Domination" - 7/4/2005 5:54:26 PM

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I see no need to punish myself, or deny myself pleasure and I happen to enjoy sex.. A Lot!.. Besides, I'd rather have them beggging me to stop.. then begging me to have it.. Trust me.. it is possible to make it hurt soo good...

Ms. Eden

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