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kiarsia -> How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 6:58:42 AM)

I know we've already chatted through how there are no such thing as "races" so please dont lets start that again, Im using it as a common knowledge term...

Ok, so a good bit of the time folks consider it automatically "rasist" when we have preferences for whom we are more comfortable in a relationship with...not sure why, but apparently they do....

So, what I would like to ask is.....is there any way to respectfully mention in an online profile that we prefer to be romatically involved with only certain races? I somehow expect any mention of "no whatevers" comes accross as rather rude and may actually insult people who would otherwise be interested.

kia




camille65 -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 7:02:33 AM)

Ah good luck on this one. I wish I had an answer but alas, I don't.

Personally I see nothing wrong with wanting to get involved with someone of a certain 'background' (how's that for discreet lol). It falls into personal preferences for me.

As to how to do that without offending someone? I don't think it can be done. There are those that thrive on seeing disrespect where there is none.




earthycouple -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 7:07:35 AM)

I see it very blatant on profiles all the time.  "I am looking for (insert whatever here).  I don't think it is racist or anything else.  It is simply preference.

My preference is for someone with intelligence and humor and blah blah blah.  Am I being discriminatory against those who are dry and lack intelligence or am I stating my preferences? 

I am not offended when I see someone searching for a black partner or an Asian partner and I am white.  But that's me.




beargonewild -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 7:10:14 AM)

Quite true,it's very tough to state one's personal preferrence without it being misinterpretted. A person almost has to be a diplomat to be able to relate their tastes without the chance of offending. Not everyone is attracted to all types of people!




GhitaAmati -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 7:17:05 AM)

I just try to not discuss race with anyone. All it ever does it get me flamed.

ghita~




camille65 -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 7:20:49 AM)

I feel ya on that. But jeeeeez it shouldn't be that way dang it.




Lordandmaster -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 9:16:23 AM)

I agree with earthy.  People have their preferences, and it's not racist to prefer one type of person in your sexual relationships, any more than it would be "sexist" to prefer one sex over the other.  In fact, I think it's a little dangerous that people are confusing sexual preferences with true racism, which, unfortunately, is alive and well in our society.

Here, this should be clear enough:

"I'm looking for a Caucasian": NOT RACIST
"I think Caucasians are genetically superior": RACIST

(But like I personally enjoy all types...)

quote:

ORIGINAL: earthycouple

I see it very blatant on profiles all the time.  "I am looking for (insert whatever here).  I don't think it is racist or anything else.  It is simply preference.

My preference is for someone with intelligence and humor and blah blah blah.  Am I being discriminatory against those who are dry and lack intelligence or am I stating my preferences? 

I am not offended when I see someone searching for a black partner or an Asian partner and I am white.  But that's me.




marieToo -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 2:00:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kiarsia


So, what I would like to ask is.....is there any way to respectfully mention in an online profile that we prefer to be romatically involved with only certain races? kia



Yes you might say something like: (random examples)  

Our (my) preference is to become involved only with someone who is either asian, white or hispanic. 

Or something like I prefer to become involved only with someone who shares my ethnicity (or use the word race if you feel it will be understood easier).  

Or:  My preference is to become involved only with a Jewish person 

Or whathaveyou...   

And I would just leave it at that. 

The person you're looking for won't be offended by the statement or accuse you of racism.  And the opinions of the ones you aren't looking for won't matter.




EvilCrimeLord -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 2:34:58 PM)

You need to use some of the following phrases...

With all due respect....
Some of my best friends are....
I live in a fruit bowl, problem is all the fruit is in clumps….

You shan't go wrong with the above handy hints.




Eru -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 3:14:13 PM)

"Ok, so a good bit of the time folks consider it automatically "rasist" when we have preferences for whom we are more comfortable in a relationship with...not sure why, but apparently they do"

The reason racism is considered first is because of how often it is present. If you have preferences based on "race" and racism has nothing to do with it, you would be in the minority. And you would have to critically analyse your feelings to find out what the root cause was. Considering the wide variety of people, it's hard to imagine a non racist reason for prefering a partner on such a superficial level.

"is there any way to respectfully mention in an online profile that we prefer to be romatically involved with only certain races?"

You can say what your preference is, just don't expect anyone to be going out of their way to believe it is because of a sound reasons.
Unless it's just a slight preference not a deal breaker.

"and may actually insult people who would otherwise be interested."

I don't know if it would insult anyone. It would proably make them happy they saw it straight away. Better than thinking the profile is from a nice person, getting excited and then finding out. Dodged a bullet rather than insulted. That would appply to people of the preferred "race" who also didn't want to expose themselves to that kind of thinking.

"Personally I see nothing wrong with wanting to get involved with someone of a certain 'background' "

Isn't that extremely shallow? We know (psychology, sociology, anthropology, history, etc,) "race" has little to do with personality or intelligence, so why limit oneself to a small section of the population? That attitude says someone will settle for anything as long as the racial aspect is right, and reject a perfect match if the racial aspect isn't right? It makes no sense, and it's doubtful racism (or fear or ignorance) is not the motivation.

"I don't think it is racist or anything else.  It is simply preference."

But where does that preference come from? What is the thinking behind it? I think the more you investigate, the more racism you'll uncover, even if it's fairly subtle.

"My preference is for someone with intelligence and humor and blah blah blah.  Am I being discriminatory against those who are dry and lack intelligence or am I stating my preferences? "

That depends, are you eliminating a portion of the population based on a superficial often geographic feature, then only picking intelligence and humour if the superficial aspects have been taken care of? Considering how little "race" as to do with a person as a whole, it's difficult to imagine how it plays a big part in selection? Perhaps anyone who does select this way can explain the non racist reasons behind the decision?

"I think it's a little dangerous that people are confusing sexual preferences with true racism"

Assuming the two are seperate and one is not just a more subtle (or hibinating) form of the other?

"Here, this should be clear enough:
"I'm looking for a Caucasian": NOT RACIST"

Why not? Especially if that's the biggest factor, it looks like "race" is very much an issue for this person. The question has to be asked, why is "race" such a big issue for this person? What are they looking for in a person that only a caucasian could provide? Do they need to match their partner with their furniture?

In a profile you could say you wanted to find someone you could share things with, so someone of the same faith might fit. Or someone with the same cultural unbringing. or someone with the same sporting preference. But considering international travel, they could look like anyone and have any ancestory. Also those things are about who the person is, not where their ancestors came from.




Lordandmaster -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/9/2007 8:03:40 PM)

Because one's sexual preferences are not the same thing as one's sociopolitical convictions.  I prefer women...does that make me a sexist?  I prefer older women...does that make me ageist?  (Yeah, they actually use that word.)  I prefer submissive women...does that make me prejudiced against vanillas?

Obviously, I believe that all people are equal under the law, are to be treated as part of the same humanity, etc., and I'm usually one of the first people to object when I see racist attitudes.  But the fact that you respect all human beings regardless of their ancestry doesn't mean you have to fuck them all.  Getting upset over people's sexual preferences is a lot of misspent effort.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Eru

"Here, this should be clear enough:
"I'm looking for a Caucasian": NOT RACIST"

Why not? Especially if that's the biggest factor, it looks like "race" is very much an issue for this person. The question has to be asked, why is "race" such a big issue for this person? What are they looking for in a person that only a caucasian could provide? Do they need to match their partner with their furniture?

In a profile you could say you wanted to find someone you could share things with, so someone of the same faith might fit. Or someone with the same cultural unbringing. or someone with the same sporting preference. But considering international travel, they could look like anyone and have any ancestory. Also those things are about who the person is, not where their ancestors came from.




FullfigRIMaam -> RE: How to discuss "races" respectfully (8/10/2007 2:40:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EvilCrimeLord
You need to use some of the following phrases...

With all due respect....
Some of my best friends are....
I live in a fruit bowl, problem is all the fruit is in clumps….

You shan't go wrong with the above handy hints.
Do not listen to EvilCrimeLord, he's trying to lead you astray! 
I don't think stating your preference is problematic.   Most folks should be grateful that you are upfront about whom you will spend time considering or not.   I always wonder about the reasoning when people specifically seek out a group, but that's just me, and is only meaningful to moi.   
As to the people who would take your statement as an insult, that is their problem and not yours...   Lord knows you cannot please everyone.    M




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