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Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 7:26:35 AM   
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I am wondering what ideas people might have on dealing with a stalker. How long does someone stalk for? What I might need to watch for (I already check the parking lot when I leave work or go to break).

I am hoping for the best, that he will just give up eventually, but want to prepare for the worst; just incase.

Oh yea, and where can I get some mace, perhaps one of those miniature baseball bats?

Thank you for your help.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 7:32:25 AM   
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Have you gone to the police?
Document every bit of contact and every sighting.
Does he know where you live? If not, then make sure you don't take the same way home every night.
Does he have your phone number? If so, change the number ASAP.
Let your friends know, let your co-workers know.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 7:40:26 AM   
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I don't think soliciting help online is going to help in any meaningful way.  You're best bet is to contact the local police and file a report against the individual.  Seriously, you don't need us to tell you that.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 7:42:18 AM   
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Yuppers. That is why my first question was 'have you gone to the police'.

I know that in some states it is illegal to carry mace btw. Again that is something you can ask the police about.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 7:42:40 AM   
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Camille gave good advice.  Do not respond to the stalker in ANY way, record and try to have a witness for EVERYTHING that happens. You should have already called the police to get a file going. 

And examine yourself- people who pick up stalkers tend to have a few personality quirks or habits that attract those sorts to them, or have bad screening methods.  See if that applies to you and work on them.

And finally, this only applies to real life stalking.  Online stalking should just be laughed at and ignored.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 7:45:49 AM   
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How long does a person stalk for?  Some stalk until the victim is dead and then some.  In many police cases the stalkers go to the funeral.

As people have already said.  If you are scared of this person go to the police.    Go to your boss if it is a co-worker.  Go to everyone who will listen.
Stop talking to him or her in all ways.
Get a restraining order. 

I have had plenty of stalkers in my life.  The scariest was a son of a diplomat.  He had diplomatic immunity.  The police did not really care about what he did.
I did notice a few month's down the line going to daddy worked. 

Without going into great detail on what he did.  I can safely say 5 minutes of my life did not go by that I was not reminded he was around.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 8:08:13 AM   
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As a professional stalker I will tell you the things that I look for in a woman.....First off, the pay is not great that is why I have to rely on a substantial amount of volume....Anywhoooo,  it is imperative that I get feedback from the stalkee...For instance, even though she hates that she is being stalked she still finds the time to contact me...Even if it's just for the occasional, "you are such a pathetic fuck."...It is still contact and it let's me know that she is still thinking of me and that she cares....Secondly, if she is on CM, a post like this one would speak dramatically of how deep our relationship truly is an what it means to her.  I figure that most women possess a stalker fantasy right along with being raped....Why not kill two birds with one stone?

If you truly want to deter someone like myself...You cease all contact immediately...You change your email, your phone number and you immediately call the police.  You don't give me the time of day....The other thing you do in the future is to take more time in "finding" someone....My creepiness usually does not manifest itself  fully until somewhere around our third or fourth meeting....So you don't tell me where you work or your address or anything about your friends or family....It's possible that I might just some how get myself hired on at your work or manage to be invited to a family BBQ ......I would just love to see your expression when you walk in and I'm holding your niece while dining on a Johnsonville brat.  That would be a hoot!

Everyone take care....And I look forward to our next meetings.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 8:12:50 AM   
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

http://www.womenandguns.com/wfn/ladysmith.html

The legality of handguns and their concealment varies by state and local jurisdiction.

Consult your own Counsel to determine your options.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 8:15:09 AM   
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Why on earth is your reaction to every situation 'get a gun'?



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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 8:43:24 AM   
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quote:

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Why on earth is your reaction to every situation 'get a gun'?




I'd like to respond to that buy shooting ten rounds from a pistol into a nearby scarecrow.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 8:45:33 AM   
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It's a good tool to have. Isn't that why EVERY police officer carries at least one pretty much all the time?

The Federal Constitution, State Constitutions, and Laws do not make the preservation of YOUR life the responsibility of *ANY* law enforcement officer. It is YOUR responsibility.

see: Grieshaber v. City of Albany, 720 N.Y.S.2d 214 (Third Dept., 2001), The cops stood around outside her door FOR AN HOUR waiting for the Dog Warden, while she died.



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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 9:10:00 AM   
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quote:

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Why on earth is your reaction to every situation 'get a gun'?



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It's a good tool to have. Isn't that why EVERY police officer carries at least one pretty much all the time?

The Federal Constitution, State Constitutions, and Laws do not make the preservation of YOUR life the responsibility of *ANY* law enforcement officer. It is YOUR responsibility.

see: Grieshaber v. City of Albany, 720 N.Y.S.2d 214 (Third Dept., 2001), The cops stood around outside her door FOR AN HOUR waiting for the Dog Warden, while she died.



I guess I just can't grasp what kind of world you live in or even how you perceive your world farglebargle, at all.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 9:10:19 AM   
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Before the usual flip-floppers hijack this thread too, I'll second the advice to document everything.

If you don't have a camera, get one, if you don't have a cell phone, get one, if you are on good terms with neighbors, co-workers, nearby retailers, etc. get them to write down everything they see, even if it is just the person's car.

And do not respond, as also mentioned, in any way that a warped mind could interpret as 'paying attention' to them.

This is not to stop anyone, or anything, this is so that when you go for the restraining order, or more, it won't be so easy for the authorities to look at this as just another case of 'he said/she said'.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 9:22:57 AM   
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Call the police. Keep a log. And have a nice little decrete weapon in your hands when you are alone.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 10:12:30 AM   
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there a couple of forms of stalking Cyber STalkers and then in real life.. while i know a lot of people in lifestyle who have come across such things. the cyber stalker was never life threating..


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Psychology and behaviors
Stalking exists on a continuum. Victims may or may not be aware that it is happening, and the perpetrators may or may not have malicious intent. Stalkers may even have a sincere but misguided belief that their victims like them, or have a desire to help the victims.[1] Contrary to crimes that consist of a single act, stalking consists of a series of actions which in themselves can be legal, such as calling on the phone, sending gifts, or sending emails.[2] Most cases of stalking never escalate to extreme levels of violence or harassment. [3]
Stalkers will often denigrate their victims which reduces the victims to objects. This allows stalkers to feel angry at victims without experiencing empathy, or they may feel that they are entitled to behave as they please toward the victims. Viewing victims as "lesser," "weak" or otherwise seriously flawed can support delusions that the victims needs to be rescued, or punished, by the stalkers. Stalkers may slander or defame the character of their victims which may isolate the victims and give the stalkers more control or a feeling of power.
Stalkers may use manipulative behavior such as bringing legal action against their victims, or threatening to commit suicide in order to coerce victims to intervene - all methods of forcing victims to have contact with the stalkers.
Stalkers may use threats and violence to frighten their victims. They may engage in vandalism and property damage (usually to victims' cars or residences). They may use physical attacks that are mostly meant to frighten. Less common are sexual assaults or physical attacks that leave serious physical injuries.[1]

[edit] Gender studies in stalking pathology
The great majority of stalkers are male. The demographic characteristics and psychiatric status of male and female stalkers do not differ, except that male stalkers are more likely to have a history of criminal offenses and substance abuse. The duration of the time invested in stalking and the frequency of associated violence were equivalent between male and female stalkers. Women are more likely to target someone they have known such as a professional contact and rarely target strangers. Both male and female stalkers are more likely to target females than males. Men very rarely target other men.[4] [5]
In "A Study of Women Who Stalk", by Purcell, Pathé and Mullen, the authors concluded that the two major psychiatric variables that differentiate female from male stalkers is motivation for stalking and choice of victim. Female stalkers seek intimacy with the victim, who is usually someone they already know. The victim is most often chosen from those who assume a professional role of helper. This could be a doctor or nurse, a therapist or counselor. Context was found to differ, but the conclusion was the intrusiveness and harmfulness did not. Female stalkers are potentially as dangerous as any male stalker.[4]

[edit] Types of stalkers (individual)
Psychologists tend to group individuals who stalk into two categories: psychotic and nonpsychotic. Many stalkers have pre-existing psychotic disorders such as delusional disorder, schizoaffective disorder, or schizophrenia. Most stalkers are nonpsychotic and exhibit disorders or neuroses such as major depression, adjustment disorder, or substance dependence, as well as a variety of Axis II personality disorders, such as antisocial, avoidant, borderline, dependent, narcissistic, or paranoia. The nonpsychotic stalkers' pursuit of victims can be influenced by various psychological factors, including anger and hostility, projection of blame, obsession, dependency, minimization and denial, and jealousy. [6]
In "A Study of Stalkers," Mullen et al (2000) [7] [5] identify six types of stalkers:
  • Rejected stalkers: pursue their victims in order to reverse, correct, or avenge a rejection (e.g. divorce, separation, termination).
  • Resentful stalkers: pursue a vendetta because of a sense of grievance against the victims - motivated mainly by the desire to frighten and distress the victim.
  • Intimacy seekers: The intimacy seeker seeks to establish an intimate, loving relationship with their victim. To them, the victim is a long sought-after soul mate, and they were 'meant' to be together.

  • Eroto-manic stalker: This stalker believes that the victim is in love with them. The erotomaniac reinterprets what their victim says and does to support the delusion, and is convinced that the imagined romance will eventually become a permanent union. They often target a celebrity or a person of a higher social status (though it is important to note, not all celebrity stalkers are erotomaniacs).
  • Incompetent suitor: despite poor social/courting skills, have a fixation, or in some cases a sense of entitlement to an intimate relationship with those who have attracted their amorous interest.
  • Predatory stalker: spy on the victim in order to prepare and plan an attack - usually sexual – on the victim.

Many stalkers fit categories with paranoia disorders. Intimacy-seeking stalkers often have delusional disorders that are secondary to preexisting psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia. With rejected stalkers, the continual clinging to a relationship of an inadequate or dependent person couples with the entitlement of the narcissistic personality, and the persistent jealousy of the paranoid personality. In contrast, resentful stalkers demonstrate an almost “pure culture of persecution,” with delusional disorders of the paranoid type, paranoid personalities, and paranoid schizophrenia. [7]


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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 10:41:43 AM   
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You cant buy mace in many states but what you can buy is pepper spray. You can also wear the canister on your wrist. Do that for sure. 

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 11:08:17 AM   
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Don't hesitate to call the police. I think you've received good advice (for the most part) in this thread.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 11:16:46 AM   
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If the stalking is actually going on right now, you might want to think about varying your daily routines for awhile.  Don't leave for work at the exact same time every day, don't stop at the same 7-11 for coffee, take different routes, make stops at different places, don't go to the gym on the same nights, arrive at home at different times.  If you ever notice that you're being followed, don't drive home, drive to the nearest police station or fire station or another place where you could get professonal help.  Stalkers live for routines that they can follow.

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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 11:26:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

I am wondering what ideas people might have on dealing with a stalker. How long does someone stalk for? What I might need to watch for (I already check the parking lot when I leave work or go to break).



The three options from across the CM spectrum:

Shoot the fucker!!!!,
Popeye.

Reason with him, try asking him if he'd like a cup of tea, a biscuit/croissant/wee swalie, and a chat about the situation.
KittinSol,

Call the police, and get yourself some self-defence equipment. 
Me.


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RE: Dealing with a Stalker - 8/10/2007 11:30:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

quote:

ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

I am wondering what ideas people might have on dealing with a stalker. How long does someone stalk for? What I might need to watch for (I already check the parking lot when I leave work or go to break).



The three options from across the CM spectrum:

Shoot the fucker!!!!,
Popeye.

Reason with him, try asking him if he'd like a cup of tea, a biscuit/croissant/wee swalie, and a chat about the situation.
KittinSol,

Call the police, and get yourself some self-defence equipment. 
Me.



Or call me....I've got some time to kill....Staring into your windows and showing up at your work place sounds like a dream come true.

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