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Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 1:21:58 AM   
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Armed With Checkbooks and Excuses, First Casualties of Va. Fees Go to Court

By Jonathan Mummolo
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 12, 2007; A01

The labor pains were coming, so Jessica Hodges got going. The 26-year-old bank teller from Burke sped toward Inova Fairfax Hospital, but before she got there, the law got her -- 57 mph in a 35 zone. Reckless driving.

Hodges's labor pains subsided -- they turned out to be a false alarm -- but the agony from her ticket is mounting. She was found guilty of the July 3 offense and given a $1,050 civil fee on top of a judge-imposed $100 fine and court costs, making her one of the first to be hit with Virginia's new "abusive driver fees," which have been greeted by widespread public outrage.

"It's crazy," said an unregretful Hodges. "Having a baby's more important. Of course I'm going to speed."

Anger and exasperation have been common sentiments recently in Fairfax General District Court, where fee-facing drivers such as Hodges have started to join the daily swarm of traffic offenders. After waiting hours to give their side of the story to judges -- several of whom seemed just as annoyed with the fees as defendants -- many nevertheless left owing enormous sums that they said would be difficult to pay.

Those lucky enough to live out of state or to have been pulled over before the fees went into effect July 1 -- the "magic date," as one judge called it -- escaped the penalties, as did many who hired attorneys who were able to argue for lesser charges or continuances.

The fees, which range from $750 to $3,000, were passed by the General Assembly in the spring as part of a package aimed at funding scores of transportation projects. Backers said the fees would both raise money and improve highway safety by targeting the state's worst drivers -- those guilty of severe traffic offenses such as DUI, reckless driving and driving on a suspended license.

But the fees have since been vilified by an angry public (more than 170,000 people have signed an online petition to repeal them), denounced by lawmakers who once supported them and ruled unconstitutional by judges in two localities who said they violate equal protection rights guaranteed under the 14th Amendment. A Centreville man convicted of reckless driving filed a challenge to the fees in Arlington County General District Court on the same grounds.

Nonetheless, the penalties remain in effect, and offenders have started to feel their pinch. Melissa Norquest, 33, of Manassas shelled out $522 Tuesday after being found guilty of reckless driving for going 56 mph in a 35 mph zone July 3. She will pay the rest in installments.

Norquest took issue with a provision that exempts out-of-state drivers from paying the fees. If you don't live in Virginia, she said, "you just pay your l'il $100 fine and go on your way. . . . If they're going to make it for Virginia residents, they should also make it for whoever drives through Virginia or get rid of it completely. I mean, you want the whole state to be safe, right?"

Norquest, who works for Fairfax County Family Services, also said she did not see the point of hiring a lawyer at a cost of hundreds or thousands of dollars. "You're either paying for one or you're paying for the other," she said.

Defendants weren't the only ones grousing about the penalties.

"Quite frankly, these are going to be a major burden on the clerk's office," Judge Michael J. Cassidy said Monday while explaining the fees during his opening remarks to the crowded courtroom. "I realize that these might be a financial burden. . . . It was not the clerk's choice to impose these fees."

Bob Battle, a Richmond attorney who was in Fairfax traffic court Tuesday, said disapproval among judges is widespread.

"Judges, like other people, don't like them," he said. "Two have made it loud and clear, but so many of them out there are convinced that [the fees are] unconstitutional."

Battle said he thinks the fees are excessive. It's "sort of a kick-them-while-they're-down mentality," he said. "I think people who were charged with reckless driving, speeding or DUI were crazy not to have a lawyer before.. . . With a DUI defendant, you mean the potential year in jail, a $2,500 fine, at best a restricted license, the classes they have to go to, insurance wasn't a sufficient punishment?"

Because post-July 1 defendants make up only a small fraction of the caseload, it's too soon to determine what effect, if any, they will have on the judicial system, said Nancy Lake, Fairfax General District Court clerk. "I think it might have an effect in September, when most of the docket are these types of cases," she said.

Kathryn Bogush, 37, of Centreville caught a break in her case from a judge who amended her charge because she has a good driving record.

"Your [offense is] after that magic date of July 1," Judge Lisa A. Mayne said to Bogush, who was facing a reckless driving charge for going 80 mph in a 55 mph zone. "On the other hand, you have a plus-five driving record. I will take that into account."

Minutes later, a smiling Bogush was headed to the cashier after her charge was lowered to simple speeding, thereby avoiding the civil fee. "I was thankful she changed it," Bogush said.

Not everyone was so lucky. Upon hearing that he would have to pay the first $350 of his civil fee after being convicted of reckless driving, Samuel Ortez, 34, of Woodbridge, a truck driver and father of two from El Salvador, stared blankly for a moment outside the cashier's office, his eyes watering slightly.

"It's going to affect the bills," he said quietly in Spanish, his nephew Leo Ortez interpreting.

People who are unable to pay the first installment the day of their conviction are charged an additional $10 and are given 90 days to six months to pay, depending on the amount of the fee, Lake said.

Some, like Hodges, thought they had a legitimate excuse for speeding and would be able to get the charge lowered.

But when it came time to testify, Hodges said she felt rushed and couldn't adequately explain her situation to the judge, who found her guilty.

She said that she plans to appeal the decision.

She and her husband, Jeff, a massage therapist, barely go out and are living basically week-to-week to support 17-month-old Madison and infant Alessandra, born July 19, she said.

If the appeal is denied, her husband will probably have to work overtime, she said, but she's hoping a second judge will dismiss her case because of the circumstances.

"I'm getting out of here," Hodges said, "before I have to pay for any new roads."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/11/AR2007081101352_pf.html
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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 2:04:19 AM   
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It's an incomplete and inequitable solution to a "building funding issue" the state is apparently facing. First-off, if the state was actually interested in getting the roads to be safer - by addressing the fundamental reasons there were reckless driver's on the roads -as  well as penalizing "reckless" drivers, wouldn't the "reckless drivers" be forced to attend a Driver's Ed class of some kind, as well as being fined? It doesn't make much sense, from that standpoint (to me).

Of course, the first rule in any bureaucracy is that "there can be no exceptions". Maybe citizens affected by it (or even those just concerned about it) can take heart by reminding themselves that -I've rarely heard of elected officials who stayed in office after the next election after instituting the kind of action (like this one) that angers this many voters. I think they will face a back-lash, and probably be voted out of office, and perhaps the law will soon after be rescinded. it doesn't sound very popular.

An increase in a local sales tax might have produced the same effect (more money for building projects). 

If I were affected by this law (especially compared to the penalties for having a DUI in that state, which I consider a more serious offense), I'd make my reaction known to the local news stations, and also at the voting booth, if possible. I'd definitely protest - and make sure any judges et. al., and especially the general Assembly  members who created it, and-or who are in favor of it, feel embarrassed for themselves.

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 2:15:53 AM   
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That's only the start of it.

This law was proposed and written by a traffic attorney under the impression that the people who are caught would bring more business to his law firm. The assembly and state loved it because they all saw $$$ for their little projects.

It's corruption at its finest.

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 2:17:33 AM   
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This is the kind of attorney who gives other attorneys a bad name!  Now that the "word is out" about him - let's hope he truly believes there is no such thing as bad publicity - because it seems like he's going to get plenty of that.

I think that could have quite a detrimental affect on his business - the opposite of what he was aiming for. How ironic. It's "poetic justice" at it's finest, too - if that's what happens.

- Susan

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 4:19:32 AM   
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Drivers who are found guilty of driving under the influence ought to be fined to high heaven AND jailed for a period of time in my opinion. But when the "influence" is quite possibly a demanding bundle o' joy I find the fines pretty ludicrous. If she had been in an ambulance screaming its way down the road no one would have thought twice about it. As for those who speed, either just to speed or because they weren't paying attention to how fast they were going, I'd suggest that the number of MPH over the speed limit should be directly reflected by the amount to be paid. You put the pedal to the metal for anything but a medical emergency... expect consequences.


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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 6:20:00 AM   
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I'm torn here so taking the devil's advocat side for a moment.

The woman drove herself while in false labor, OK so she risked my life for the sake of getting to the hspital.
Had a "labor pain hit" at the right moment when a kid ran out into the road in front of her what would you be feeling about her? A favorable outcome does not make the decission correct. Thousands of folks make it home from the bar driving drunk, they dodge the bullet, dosn't make it right to do it.

Why did she have to drive herself??? Ambulanc service, Neighbor, co worker, husband, the number of potential not made less capable of safe driving, by labor pains is pretty long.

57 in a 35, 35 is a residential street in my state, 57 is a freeway speed.

In this case I'm just seeing a matter of two wrongs don't make a right.
The law being partialy wrong, but the driver being VERY wrong.
If you think you need to drive 60 down a city street to make it to the hospital in time, You should call a flippin ambulance. or at the very least have someone who's not going to go into a contraction when the other guy runs a red light or a kid runs out into the road.

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 6:39:47 AM   
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quote:

MadameDahlia


If she had been in an ambulance screaming its way down the road no one would have thought twice about it.



Well, let's hope that in an ambulance, the driver wouldn't have been experiencing labor pains. 

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 6:43:01 AM   
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I'm not quite buying her story...yet...either, without hearing more.  Any police officer stopping someone in labor for speeding usually would immediately give them a police escort with lights and sirens wailing, or at least call an ambulance.  Did she follow through and continue on to the hospital, get admitted and checked over?  Or did the labor pains miraculously stop when she got the ticket?  I really need to hear more of this story, because it has a couple holes in it.

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 6:48:34 AM   
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She wasn't IN labour. If one can drive oneself, one is NOT in active labour. Excepting those extremely rare cases of painless labour that occasionally result in unattended homebirths.

Sounds to me like she was making an excuse...a bad one. As a second time Mom, she knew she wasn't in real labour.



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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 7:01:02 AM   
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That's only the start of it.

This law was proposed and written by a traffic attorney under the impression that the people who are caught would bring more business to his law firm. The assembly and state loved it because they all saw $$$ for their little projects.

It's corruption at its finest.


Yes.... this dink you speak of should be shuttled into the CIA's secret rendition program with burlap sack over his head and flown to Pakistan.





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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 7:14:07 AM   
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Last UM I had, Sir drove me to the hospital at about 2am, by the time we made it there, my contractions were about 90 seconds apart...trust me it was pretty damn active labor. We were doing about 100mph when a cop decided to pull us over (on an interstate). It took about 3 seconds for Sir to scream "labor, hospital" and the cop to get back in car and give us a police escort to the hospital. We were only about 5 minutes away from the ER when this happened. The Cop easily could have waited until I got taken into Labor and Delivery and then written Sir the ticket, but he was actually nice and didnt write us anything. Something seems very strange to me that this cop in the story didnt either take her on to the hospital or call for an ambluance.

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 7:24:24 AM   
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She wasn't IN labour. If one can drive oneself, one is NOT in active labour. Excepting those extremely rare cases of painless labour that occasionally result in unattended homebirths.

Sounds to me like she was making an excuse...a bad one. As a second time Mom, she knew she wasn't in real labour.




My sister drove herself from work to the hospital without speeding and in active labor. It is possible, I was on the phone the whole way with her timing contractions for her and just talking to her so she could make it. It was a first baby and she wasn't sure she was in labor!

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 7:25:23 AM   
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Anyone who feels they are in the midst of a medical emergency should call 911. Period. Driving yourself or someone else to the hospital in an emergency means there is nobody there qualified or equipped to handle it if things go south before you reach the hospital.
And they have sirens on their vehicles for a reason.


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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 7:28:18 AM   
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Anyone who feels they are in the midst of a medical emergency should call 911. Period. Driving yourself or someone else to the hospital in an emergency means there is nobody there qualified or equipped to handle it if things go south before you reach the hospital.
And they have sirens on their vehicles for a reason.




LOL LOL and charge more then the speeding ticket....

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 7:31:01 AM   
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We didn't speed to the hospital with either of our UMs.  I wouldn't have been able to drive myself with either of them anyway.  I think the lady is fibbing.  I think the new fee schedule is utterly ludicrous. 

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 7:31:22 AM   
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She wasn't IN labour. If one can drive oneself, one is NOT in active labour. Excepting those extremely rare cases of painless labour that occasionally result in unattended homebirths.

Sounds to me like she was making an excuse...a bad one. As a second time Mom, she knew she wasn't in real labour.




Labor, wasnt that bad for the first eight hours... i went for ice cream and a long walk when my labor stated... 

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 7:38:24 AM   
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Some people are right.  She had no business jumping into her car while in her state of labour (as she thought).  If she didn't know anyone in that entire state she should have called an ambulance or police (for her own safety and for others).  Driving with a broken leg or bleeding wound also is just as also wreckless. If the person has no telephone/cellphone in that situation and are in the middle of nowhere is a different story. The speed allowable that is mentioned is obviously a city road speed. She had areas she could have pulled over to I am sure. I have lived in Manassass as well as Prince William and Fairfax Co. and driving in that area is no easy task while alert, let alone while in labour. Ever try to drive to Belvoir with even the radio on? She is full of it.  Labour shmabour, women in labour can't and shouldn't drive. 

PS..if HER labour wasn't that bad..then why the need to speed?? 

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 7:45:00 AM   
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I'm not quite buying her story...yet...either, without hearing more.  Any police officer stopping someone in labor for speeding usually would immediately give them a police escort with lights and sirens wailing, or at least call an ambulance.  Did she follow through and continue on to the hospital, get admitted and checked over?  Or did the labor pains miraculously stop when she got the ticket?  I really need to hear more of this story, because it has a couple holes in it.


i have to agree windchymes

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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 7:53:10 AM   
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Those fees are completely ludacris - but I have to agree that as a 2nd time mother.. she should have known that a few contractions weren't going to throw her into active labour... and also agree she has no business driving herself to the hospital.




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RE: Woman in labor fined $1,050 for speeding to hospital - 8/13/2007 11:49:41 AM   
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Anyone who feels they are in the midst of a medical emergency should call 911. Period. Driving yourself or someone else to the hospital in an emergency means there is nobody there qualified or equipped to handle it if things go south before you reach the hospital.
And they have sirens on their vehicles for a reason.



An ambulance ride costs $1,500. For someone without insurance....this is out of the question.. And some insurance companies will not pay for it unless it is an emergency that the person couldn't drive themselves.

That's our healthcare system for you.....

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