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sudja -> RE: Gold Diggers Looking for a Quick Buck, Or Lazy Mistress's? (7/5/2005 6:28:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyShoshin

It costs a lot more to look like a domme than it does to look like a dom.




::shuffle:: Mah Domme looks like a Domme regardless of what She's wearing; or not.

sudja




LadyAngelika -> RE: Gold Diggers Looking for a Quick Buck, Or Lazy Mistress's? (7/5/2005 6:42:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sudja
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyShoshin
It costs a lot more to look like a domme than it does to look like a dom.


::shuffle:: Mah Domme looks like a Domme regardless of what She's wearing; or not.

sudja


Exactly! If you need clothes to make you feel or look like a Domme, then you have a fundemental issue here.

- LA




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Gold Diggers Looking for a Quick Buck, Or Lazy Mistress's? (7/5/2005 7:00:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Exactly! If you need clothes to make you feel or look like a Domme, then you have a fundemental issue here.

- LA


I'd agree on the NEED part...but how many subs say they love collars because of how it makes them feel? How it makes them feel connected and submissive?

Clothing is a large symbol of our identity and we can use it very effectively. Part of my becoming such a fashion chick is because that in dressing well, I give myself confidence in social situations. I wouldn't be nearly as social as I am now if I didn't have the good fashion sense and clothing I have to help out.

I agree that a person should feel confident as a dominant or submissive or anything whether they are bare naked or decked out in leather. But clothes can and do help on a deeply emotional level to feel more secure and confident, and since full nudity is unfortuantely not often an option, a good second choice is to express yourself through clothes.

And let's face it, I pay someone more attention (generally) if I can tell they've put a lot of effort and time into their overall look and have the attitude to match.




LadyShoshin -> RE: Gold Diggers Looking for a Quick Buck, Or Lazy Mistress's? (7/5/2005 7:45:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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A Dominant has her every day wardrobe and her Dominant wardrobe


The clothes do not make the Domme. Unless of course she needs to look the part of a ProDomme and then, well, she can work that into her pricing.

I have some fetish clothes, sure. I enjoy wearing them. But that is not what makes me dominant. I can be dominant in jeans, a t-shirt and my bare hands.

Also, I don't expect my boys to pay for my wardrobe. If I want a piece of fetish clothing, I go out and buy it myself. If we have been together a while and they want to buy me something because they know I would enjoy it and they would enjoy seeing me in it, then great. But I don't bank on it and I don't go around asking for tributes, that's just plain tacky in my opinion.

- LA


When I interview a submissive for a houseboy, I inform him immediately that I am going to dress in whatever I feel comfortable in, yes I can Domme in my stretch pants and a t-shirt. I don't need the whole get up to make me feel like a Domme.

However, I have a drawer full of merry widows, corsets, thongs, garter belts and stockings, a half closet full of Domme type skirts and tops. Out of all the fetish wardrobe, only one set was given by a sub, the rest, I either bought with my money or had other Dommes give me things they no longer wanted. It is for going to parties, where I want to dress the part. That is why I don't have the $300 corset, I can't afford it, I don't dress to the 9s, because I can't afford it, I do the best I can.

I don't ask for tibute, I do occasional ProDomming, but that is a whole other issue. Interviewing for houseboys doesn't include discussion of finances.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Gold Diggers Looking for a Quick Buck, Or Lazy Mistress's? (7/5/2005 9:00:48 AM)

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Clothing is a large symbol of our identity and we can use it very effectively.


Most definitely. I wouldn't own over a hundred pair of shoes and have two closets full of clothes (and that's actually not very for me but I had to buy all new clothes this summer).

What I was trying to say was that a Domme doesn't need to be dressed like Elvira to pull off being Domme. It might totally help with the mood. I know that I feel a certain power when I slip my feet into high heels. I feel awesome when I put on a racey lingerie and pearls. So I'm not going to deny it. But then again, I wear heels, pearls and racy lingerie almost every day - with a business suit ;) That is my style, not my "Domme wardrobe".

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Gold Diggers Looking for a Quick Buck, Or Lazy Mistress's? (7/5/2005 9:01:55 AM)

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I don't ask for tibute, I do occasional ProDomming, but that is a whole other issue. Interviewing for houseboys doesn't include discussion of finances.


Fair enough Shoshin. But that said, I don't understand what was the point of your post then...

- LA




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Gold Diggers Looking for a Quick Buck, Or Lazy Mistress's? (7/5/2005 10:25:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sudja
As for it being "fun" for both parties, when/if you find a Dominant whose attitude/beliefs/kinks match up with yours, you both will be satisfied. As to "fun" - it sounds as if you are mostly about the sex/kink, the "What's in it for me?" theory.

Well, sex and kink are fine and dandy, but you should make it clear that you are not looking to serve the needs of another, but satisfy your own.
sudja

Very well said Sudja.
I wonder if he'll stop and learn from your words? M




lonewolf05 -> RE: Gold Diggers Looking for a Quick Buck, Or Lazy Mistress's? (7/5/2005 10:48:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyShoshin


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

A Dominant has her every day wardrobe and her Dominant wardrobe


The clothes do not make the Domme. Unless of course she needs to look the part of a ProDomme and then, well, she can work that into her pricing.

I have some fetish clothes, sure. I enjoy wearing them. But that is not what makes me dominant. I can be dominant in jeans, a t-shirt and my bare hands.

Also, I don't expect my boys to pay for my wardrobe. If I want a piece of fetish clothing, I go out and buy it myself. If we have been together a while and they want to buy me something because they know I would enjoy it and they would enjoy seeing me in it, then great. But I don't bank on it and I don't go around asking for tributes, that's just plain tacky in my opinion.

- LA


When I interview a submissive for a houseboy, I inform him immediately that I am going to dress in whatever I feel comfortable in, yes I can Domme in my stretch pants and a t-shirt. I don't need the whole get up to make me feel like a Domme.

However, I have a drawer full of merry widows, corsets, thongs, garter belts and stockings, a half closet full of Domme type skirts and tops. Out of all the fetish wardrobe, only one set was given by a sub, the rest, I either bought with my money or had other Dommes give me things they no longer wanted. It is for going to parties, where I want to dress the part. That is why I don't have the $300 corset, I can't afford it, I don't dress to the 9s, because I can't afford it, I do the best I can.

I don't ask for tibute, I do occasional ProDomming, but that is a whole other issue. Interviewing for houseboys doesn't include discussion of finances.





i'm with You on this on. my 1st Ms was a pro domme and always said, She can Domme in Her nightgown if She wants to. unless someone is paying big dollars, to get Her to wear leathers, She is going to wear anything She wants.
the wolf.




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Gold Diggers Looking for a Quick Buck, Or Lazy Mistress's? (7/5/2005 11:31:30 AM)

Laughing...Ladies, ladies! I know this is a hot button for many of Us!
The reason I posted is because of the attitude emanating from the OP, not only in his post, but strongly supported by his profile.

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ORIGINAL: maddog86

<snipped>Now I may be wrong, but I highly doubt it. I think alot of these "Mistress's" are looking for free money... Well Im not paying! I allow you to dominate and use my body and mind, not pay your bills! I thought this was suppose to be fun for both partys, and since it is fun for both partys, why do we need to put money into the equation? Are the ones asking for a tribute "Gold diggers looking for a quick buck, or Mistress's who just dont wanna work? " Just something to think about!


This attitude of *allowing* (permitting) a Lady to use his body is alot of the attitude that would make Me pass him by. And this attiude is rampant. So maybe this boy needs to get some more information regarding why Ladies who are not looking for tribute would pass him by.

Or from the profile:

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Not really looking for something in 24/7 but if I really like you it could turn into that if you want it also.


So he is not looking for anything 24/7 but if he *really likes* the lady, it could turn into that.
Lots of people aren't looking for 24/7, so that is moot. But the impression I have is that he doesn't even have to really like someone for the person they are. He probably would prefer a "hot chick" but that would be for his personal, visual gratification only. It is a matter of getting his fantasy fulfilled. Only now he is angry that he can't seem to find anyone who doesn't expect some sort of tribute.
That is why I picked out the attitude, more than the complaint itself, in My initial post. We get this whine all the time. And most of Us on these boards are not looking for tributes. But We would appreciate a little respect, and common courtesy. And maybe somebody who views Us as a whole person, and not a body who will "service him". I don't see any respect or submissive sincerity in this boy's post or profile. I see a boy who, as sudja said, wants to get his rocks off. And now, he is just making it harder on himself by swaggering in and making sweeping judgements.
I don't define Myself by My clothing, either. I am more jeans and a tank top, but I love to wear My heels. I wear them for Me, though, not for any boy. But I have a very strong impression that this boy would define Me by what I was wearing. That is part of the package he might need.
Since these discussions and debates, hopefully, result in some education and growth, even if this boy doesn't see the light, maybe another boy reading will have a little light bulb go off. Would We not be doing someone a disservice to simply say not *all* Dominas are looking for tribute, without tempering that with some advice regarding his own attitude towards Dominas (maybe all ladies)?
For Me, this debate should not be strictly about whether or not tributes or Pro Domination is *fair*, or *right*, or *too rampant*. It is about the typical "do me" attitude that too many boys continue to display because nobody points out how that is not going to get them anywhere. Yes, I know it has been pointed out in many ways, ad nauseum. But that doesn't seem to stop another thread about the same old subject a week or two later. So the old class has graduated, and the new class has walked through the door.
Casey is being very honest in his profile about what he wants. But now he complains about how he cannot find it. Some boys need to learn that it is not their *right* to have someone dominate them according to their fantasy. Have you noticed that almost every time this subject comes up, it is a new poster who has usually been on site for a very short time and is not happy with the profiles he is finding?
He came here with a complaint. I am trying to address that, for him and for the rest of the new class.




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