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Casie -> Ron Paul Supporters (8/15/2007 4:19:48 PM)

Just wondering who here is a Ron Paul supporter? I believe Ron Paul is the only chance we have to be free. I believe he is the only candidate with any respect for our consitution. And the only way to avoid a nanny nation. The nation ID card is a BIG issue for me. As well as others. So, where is everyone who supports liberty, freedom,hope, and change?




MasterDoc1 -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/15/2007 8:01:48 PM)

Casie: if you go down around 2 pages from where you find this post you will see another discussion re Ron Paul. He has a LOT of interested supporters here.




popeye1250 -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/15/2007 10:00:18 PM)

I've donated to his campaign and I like what he has to say.
I'll vote for him.




caitlyn -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/15/2007 10:24:01 PM)

I live in his district and have campaigned for him in past elections, and would do so again, were he running for Congress or the Senate. Truth be told, I don't see myself supporting him in the Presidental elections.
 
He is a wonderful Congressman, but would be a lame duck President, the day he took office. He has a wonderful agenda, but doesn't have the political capital to promote it.




realtuffdom -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/15/2007 10:25:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

I live in his district and have campaigned for him in past elections, and would do so again, were he running for Congress or the Senate. Truth be told, I don't see myself supporting him in the Presidental elections.
 
He is a wonderful Congressman, but would be a lame duck President, the day he took office. He has a wonderful agenda, but doesn't have the political capital to promote it.


Neither did Carter, and look what a great presi....oh never mind.




farglebargle -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/15/2007 10:36:50 PM)

I'd say GOOD.

The President doesn't GET a "Political Agenda". They get to faithfully execute the Laws.

Congress makes the Laws.

Look at all the damage Bush caused, when he forgot what his damn job was, and started playing games.

NOTHING is better than the WRONG THING. Or as the physicians say, "First, do no harm."




popeye1250 -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/15/2007 10:36:58 PM)

Neither did Clinton and look what a.....




NeedToUseYou -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/16/2007 3:19:40 AM)

I'm voting for him.




EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/16/2007 3:44:10 AM)

i support ron paul. i know he's a republican and i think that will turn some people off, but i've never voted along partisan lines..

he needs a lot more support. he's our best bet.




Termyn8or -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/16/2007 7:05:28 PM)

caitlyn;

What you don't understand is that he would have the power to repeal executive orders. He would also be able to rescind the state of emergengy enacted in the 1930s, which gives the President the power to issue executive orders in the first place.

There are some 13,000 executive orders in force, and almost every one of them is unconstitutional, unlawful as they would never pass congress, and totallly enforced without regard to the Constitution, no matter what the supreme court says.

There is nothing we can do under admiralty maritime Jurisdiction to stop it. Only the President can end admiralty maritime jurisdiction.

Congress gave the President that power a long time ago, and the Law does not really provide for them to take it back. Thus the problem.

But Paul could do other things as well, needed steps on immigration and so forth, and he cannot make abortion illegal at will. Well he could but no President would by executive order, I think.

Actually I'd like to see about seven Ron Pauls on the supreme court, and one as President.

You do realize what this will do to the economy right ? It will be wrecked, but the longer we wait the worse it will be.

T




Casie -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/16/2007 10:47:00 PM)

Ron Paul makes me feel patriotic again!! I think he stands for what this country should be about. I honestly think he is our only chance of freedom. I believe he is the only one that won't take even more of our rights away. I think he would be the start to making America prosperous again.I've been doing personal campaining I made signs and I hooked them on my stroller so when I take a walk everyone sees them. And I printed out fliers to give to everyone I see. The response has been pretty good. Lots of people honk and yell Ron Paul 08, and lots of people seem interested. Expessialy people under 25, the feel they finally have a candidate worth their vote. It really is a revolution. And alot of people are excited about it!




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/16/2007 11:20:46 PM)

His agenda and politics sound good, but doubt he would be able to handle it, in an effective way. The party line politicis would stand in his way. I don't do primaries since I am not committed to just one party. Party politics is some of the problems with the country.

Over all, I like his ideas though. He needs to build some more politcal currency and some foreign affairs experience. I am still researching him though. Next I want to look at his voting record.

Orion




DeepWaters -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/16/2007 11:25:41 PM)

Met him about three years ago--supported him up in NH, and still support him now,  even if he doesn't become president the message geting out is extremely important 




Casie -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/16/2007 11:35:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DeepWaters

Met him about three years ago--supported him up in NH, and still support him now,  even if he doesn't become president the message geting out is extremely important 


I agree even if he doesn't get in office. He is doing good in polls ext. And getting the word out. People are waking up and realizing our rights are being taken away left and right

"When the government fears the people, you have liberty. When the people fear the government , you have Tyranny."
(Thomas Jefferson)





cyberdude611 -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/17/2007 12:09:43 AM)

According to Project Vote Smart... This is Ron Paul's voting record...

Abortion:
Votes on abortion range from all illegal to only allowing in the event that the mother's life is in mortal danger.

Affirmative Action:
The government should not provide any affirmative action programs.

Budget:
Supports the "Balance Budget Amendment"

Government programs:
Supports "greatly decreasing" all government programs including NASA, Education, Law enforcement, Student loans, and Welfare.

Crime:
Limit the number of appeals for inmates on death row.
Support the use of "boot camps" for first time offenders.
Deport illegal aliens with a criminal record.
Reduce prison sentences for "non-violent crimes."

Defense Spending:
"Greatly decrease" all defense spending except pay for active personnel.

Education:
Supports school vouchers. And proposes to eliminate the Department of Education and allowing the states to control the education curriculums and budgets.

Environment:
Transfer federally-owned parks and forests to the states.
Impose cost-benefit analysis to environmental policy

Foreign Policy
Supports diplomatic relations with government of Cuba
Supports diplomatic relations with government of Vietnam
Supports the US recognizing the independance of Taiwan
Voted against sending American forces to fight in the Kosovo conflict
Supports eliminating economic aid to Russia and the former Soviet Republics
Believes the US should only use military force when the nation is attacked
Believes the US should withdrawl from the United Nations

Firearms:
Supports removing all bans on firearms and making firearms easier to purchase

Healthcare:
Supports vouchers to poor families in order to purchase private health insurance
Allow families to deduct healthcare costs from their taxes
Allow tax breaks to small businesses that provide healthcare plans to their employees
Supports established limits on malpractice lawsuits
Supports tax-free medical accounts

War on Drugs:
Supports turning drug enforcement over to the state and local governments to enforce. Claims federal government cannot handle the problem.

Immigration:
Supports limiting the amount of immigrants into the nation
Restrict the eligibility of government programs to legal immigrants
Supports an amendment that says that children of illegal immigrants born in the US should not be made automatic US citizens
Supports building a fense of the US-Mexico border.

Against the Line Item Veto.

Taxes:
Eliminate all income taxes
Eliminate taxes on alcohol, tobacco, and capital gains
Eliminate the earned income credit
Increase charitable deductions
Increase mortgage and loan interest deductions
Increase the estate tax
Supports a flat tax

Supports term limits

Terrorism:
Supports state and local government enforcement of terrorism issues

Trade:
Believes the US should withdrawl from the WTO, NAFTA, and CAFTA.
Believes that nations with human rights abuses should not be given "most favored nation" trading status.

Unemployment:
Supports giving tax credits to companies that bring jobs to areas of high unemployment
Supports establishing "industrial zones" in areas of high unemployment
Supports elininating or restricting government unemployment programs

Welfare:
Supports a 2-year limit on welfare benefits
Supports requiring unwed teenage mothers to live with a parent or guardian to recieve benefits
Supports giving tax credits to companies that hire welfare recipients




UtopianRanger -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/17/2007 1:04:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

caitlyn;

What you don't understand is that he would have the power to repeal executive orders. He would also be able to rescind the state of emergengy enacted in the 1930s, which gives the President the power to issue executive orders in the first place.

There are some 13,000 executive orders in force, and almost every one of them is unconstitutional, unlawful as they would never pass congress, and totallly enforced without regard to the Constitution, no matter what the supreme court says.

There is nothing we can do under admiralty maritime Jurisdiction to stop it. Only the President can end admiralty maritime jurisdiction.

Congress gave the President that power a long time ago, and the Law does not really provide for them to take it back. Thus the problem.

But Paul could do other things as well, needed steps on immigration and so forth, and he cannot make abortion illegal at will. Well he could but no President would by executive order, I think.

Actually I'd like to see about seven Ron Pauls on the supreme court, and one as President.

You do realize what this will do to the economy right ? It will be wrecked, but the longer we wait the worse it will be.

T



Good post T.


Above all, and most importantly....What Ron Paul could and would do, is unify and set the tone with America-- And I'm talking about the people, not the political parties.

Anytime he spoke or held a press conference, he'd command mainstream media and a huge audience. He could really set the tone speaking to the citizens and educating them how a massive trade imbalance and non-organic, non-tangible monetary systems--backed only by a reputation in decline--are destroying America.

He could put a team together of savvy, highly regarded, ethical economists--not from Kohlberg Kravis and Roberts or Goldman-Sachs--and make them part of his cabinet.

He could then go on national television and streaming video, before the people, and deliver a very pragmatic and logical power-point-style presentations--similar to Perot's info-mercials of the 90's-- explaining to the  people how and why we've been ass-raped since 1964.

Once the people have it put clearly before their eyes and explained to them--Ron Paul as president could actually go out and speak against/identify sell out Senators like John McCain and John Corzine--both mainstays of the neo-liberal framework--and push/pull/stump for candidates much more nationalistic and representative of both America and the average hard-working American.

In essence, having Ron Paul elected as President would empower the every-day average citizen and surely cause more independent-minded, more nationalistic candidates to enter the political arena and run for office opposing the status-quo.





- R




UtopianRanger -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/17/2007 1:48:45 AM)

Cyberdude611 :


Since you've been so nice to do the research and copy&paste a general analysis of the for/against-voting record, why don't you tell me why/what you don't like about it.

Before you start.....it's my feeling that after reading it, more than anything, Ron Paul is extremely leery of a more-than-ever, centralized power base. And if my memory serves me correctly.....that's what the framer's were worried about too. [;)]

With that said..... I don't like his stance on abortion, and it bothers me that he wants to do so little with regard to empowering people with/by free education. I'd also like to see NASA stick around with tighter purse strings.

Two things noted that I really like :  His opposition to the Kosovo conflict -- That was jack-ass maneuver by Clinton/Gore. It deeply hurt our relationship with the Kremlin{when we should been building a better one}. And I really like his stance on vastly decreased spending for both Defense and Law enforcement--We don't need any more cops or prosecutors.





- R




cyberdude611 -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/17/2007 2:34:14 AM)

Well you have to have some centralized government. The founders first tried the Articles of Confederation where each state basically ran its own governmant....and it was just a complete mess. Each state wanted their own money system. Each state couldn't agree on trade policy or any policy for that matter. And the defense issues were also a mess. So they had to make a change or the government was going to collapse well before the turn of the century. And that's when the current Constitution was drafted which created a federal government.
That being said, over the last 200-some odd years, the federal government has grown too large. And most of it started after the Civil War. In fact, did you know the IRS was never meant to be permanent? The income tax was instituted after the war in order to help the government pay for reconstruction. After reconstruction, the congress was supposed to abolish it. Either they forgot or they started to like that money a bit too much. And the liberals today love the income tax because it funds all their little government-assistance programs they think the people can't live without.

So I agree that the government is too large. I also think the federal government is failing at many things because it is trying to take on too many things and micromanage. The states and local governments need to play a bigger role in people's lives and the feds need to pay less. Most people can tell you the name of the president and maybe even their senators....but they don't have a clue who the mayor of their city is or the city council members or the sheriff.

Things I disagree with Ron Paul though is his foreign policy which seems to be one of isolationism. We tried that policy in the 1920s and part of the 1930s. It just didn't really do us much good. I agree that we shouldn't be involved in conflicts like Kosovo. That was a European problem that Europe should have been able to work out themselves. But I am against this idea of abandoning allies. You got to have friends in the world. I dont think cutting off aid to the whole world is really the way to make friends.
As for the UN...Im not going to say I favor a pullout of it just yet. I think we should try to find ways to reform it first. I think the UN can work with the right reforms. If it continues down the road of corruption and being dominated by 3rd world dictators...then yes....get out of it and let it die.

I also disagree with the kind of cuts. I think NASA should stay. And I dont think you need to cut defense spending that much, you just need more oversight of where the money is going and you will find way more money than you need.

I agree Education is right now a disaster in this country. I'm not quite sure if his solution is the answer however. I also disagree with the death penalty. We are currently the only western democracy that still has the death penalty. Over 120 countries have abolished it. If we want to be a true leader in human and civil rights...I think the time has come that we finally do away with it as well.

But even if Paul is elected, he can't make all those radical changes in 4 or 8 years. Many of those things would require a vast change in American political culture. And that could take generations. And that's why he won't be elected. Right now the political culture in America seems to be a want for more government. I mean look at the polls that say nearly 70% of Americans want universal healthcare. The liberals are winning that battle.




caitlyn -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/17/2007 5:55:58 AM)

Actually, I do understand it ... [;)]
 
As I said, I really like the man. I don't agree with all his positions, but think he is going in the right direction.
 
What we really need is a bunch of Ron Paul's in Congress, not a single Ron Paul in the White House.




Real0ne -> RE: Ron Paul Supporters (8/17/2007 9:50:28 AM)

rp has my vote 




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