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Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/5/2005 4:47:19 AM   
Venusme


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Hello all. I wonder if anyone else is getting disgusted with all the male so called subs who are not sincere? They write about what they want and desire and it is about there sexual needs. They are bottoms who want kinky sex with any woman who is physically appealing. And then there are the ones who want cybersex. Some consider this lifestyle perverted and just dont "get it"! Im a true Domma , which means that I find this lifestyle very natural and beautiful. To be able to connect and bond on such an intense level with the right partner is wonderful! For two people to be able to be open enough with there deepest desires and needs and to fully accepted and cared for without fear of judgement is what it is all about for me. I cant see vanilla sex where two people may fall in love with each other, but "oh you cant touch me there", does not make much sense to me. To see a man fully submit his body and mind for his lady is a gift. For a Domma to care enough to discipline her submissive so he is what she wants is so incredible. A submissive man to take the pain and humiliation in show of is honor, brings me back to a time where men were men and knights and Lady's and intergrity was everything. There was a time where a man would rather die then lose his honor. His word ment everything to him. Now, I get emails from men who write and write then when I respond they disappear or are not right in the head. Emotionally sick people. One chatted with me about everything he wantd again and agin, never to ask what I like to do in a vanilla setting. Hello people! BDSM is not what I do most of the day. I have to function! I actually read and have hobbies, food shop and have a career! Dont bother to try to get to know the lady, but flatter her with your physical needs? I hope to find someone with substance who see things as I do. Domma sisters, feel to write me, we can exchage stories. I also can share a long long black list so you dont waste your time with some of these losers. I do network with some of you already, more are welcome! I know there must be some good submissive men out there, so hang in there, a classy Domma with find you, for you will stand out from the crowd! now I will get my positive attitude back again, this negative mood I leave with this letter.
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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/5/2005 5:25:01 AM   
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Hi and welcome to the Forums.... :-)

Yep, there's plenty of those only seeking the kink....
And finding this in your profile might be why you're getting such mail (or male....):

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Venusme

Old Fashioned Mistress with a lust for edge play. You will feel my feminine power when I beat you with my flogger and crop. Now Darling bend over for me!

I'm only interested in fem/subs who need the greater D/s dynamic, too, but there are more lifestylers only here for the kink. Geek mail is a problem for the females (Domme & sub) so you should be selective in who you respond to and just ignore the insincere if you don't want to be spending 3 hours a day emailing....

Putting up a profile is a bit like fishing; the bait you use is significant to what you attract.... Your profile seems at odds with your post, perhaps you could use your own post to rewrite it....

Focus50.

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/5/2005 5:37:53 AM   
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Didn't we just do this?
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ORIGINAL: Venusme

Hello all. I wonder if anyone else is getting disgusted with all the male so called subs who are not sincere?

No, I figure they make it easy to cross them off the list.

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They write about what they want and desire and it is about there sexual needs.

Cuz the worst thing in the world is someone who knows what they want and communicates it clearly.

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They are bottoms who want kinky sex with any woman who is physically appealing.

The horror!

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And then there are the ones who want cybersex.

*gasp*

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Some consider this lifestyle perverted and just dont "get it"!

And that's true of the one's who've been around for YEARS.

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Im a true Domma , which means that I find this lifestyle very natural and beautiful.

Not sure what that has to do with being "true" but ok.

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For two people to be able to be open enough with there deepest desires and needs and to fully accepted and cared for without fear of judgement is what it is all about for me. I cant see vanilla sex where two people may fall in love with each other, but "oh you cant touch me there", does not make much sense to me.

Whatever works for the ones involved. If they are happy that way, why should you be concerned?
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To see a man fully submit his body and mind for his lady is a gift. For a Domma to care enough to discipline her submissive so he is what she wants is so incredible. A submissive man to take the pain and humiliation in show of is honor, brings me back to a time where men were men and knights and Lady's and intergrity was everything. There was a time where a man would rather die then lose his honor.

Let's not go romanticizing the past. Rape and defilement was around then too. Those same knight's wouldn't have thought twice about selling you off for a better deal.

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Emotionally sick people. One chatted with me about everything he wantd again and agin, never to ask what I like to do in a vanilla setting.

That's not emotionally sick, that's just boring.

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I know there must be some good submissive men out there, so hang in there, a classy Domma with find you, for you will stand out from the crowd! now I will get my positive attitude back again, this negative mood I leave with this letter.

Eek, as if "domme" wasn't bad enough.

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/5/2005 5:38:33 AM   
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Hey - shit happens.

Why let it effect you? Why allow others misconceptions or behaviours effect you?
Why submit to their loss?

Welcome to collarme - there is a wonderful feature on your top right hand corner - its called a 'search' facility. It helps you find subjects that may be of interest to you and subjects you might like to add to. Like this one which - If we had a pound for every mail like this on the forum, we could wipe out world poverty - and that's a much greater cause than simply coming up against a few imposters.


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Hello people! BDSM is not what I do most of the day. I have to function! I actually read and have hobbies, food shop and have a career!


But there are people for whom BDSM is what they are 24 hrs a day - say, in Ds when service is what a person is. Doesn't mean they don't have hobbies, enjoy life or have a career. I happen to enjoy it all, and I am damn happy. I am proud and alowed to say I am a freak on a leash.


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I also can share a long long black list so you dont waste your time with some of these losers.


Well, how very - ummmm - 'positive' of you.
Personally, I am wary of those whom reserve the right to name others as something, just because they do not fit an 'ideal'.

Fortuantely, alot of male submissives can swim quite well through the sea of such 'positive' discrimination and be caught by the most stunning fishers of men.

Peace and Love


< Message edited by dark~angel -- 7/5/2005 5:40:22 AM >


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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/5/2005 5:58:10 AM   
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Would someone else like to list the links for this one, as proudsub is away from the computer?? Don't we have a subject on this at present?

To the OP: I must let you know, if you have a huge black list accumulated, it is just as possible, there is a long blacklist of "true Domma" (first time I've seen it that way) that someone may have decided in their own infinite wisdom to put your name on. That's the problem with blacklists; they only include the subjective opinion of the listmaker. I, for one, think I am intelligent enough to make my own mental list that fits my personal qualifications, and while there a few Domina on these boards whose list I would pay attention to, I am very selective about those members also.

Wonderful post. Welcome to the Boards......


Edited to be nicer.....

< Message edited by kc692 -- 7/5/2005 5:59:04 AM >

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/5/2005 11:59:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kc692

Edited to be nicer.....


Edited to be nicer????????? roflmao...
Thank you , kc...Now I have to clean the keyboard which is full of the hot tea I just spit out. That'll learn me to think it is safe to drink while reading the forums!
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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/5/2005 2:09:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold


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ORIGINAL: kc692

Edited to be nicer.....


Edited to be nicer????????? roflmao...
Thank you , kc...Now I have to clean the keyboard which is full of the hot tea I just spit out. That'll learn me to think it is safe to drink while reading the forums!
Warning: Drinking (anything) while reading the forums may be hazardous to your computer


Today my annoyance level, like yours yesterday, seems to be extremely low, smiles. Go figure....hear it 40 times in two days, it gets old(and from supposed Dommas, dommykins,dommies, ar whatever these fine folks have decided we are today, smiles).

I'm sorry about your 'puter sweets, lol.......by the way, have you got your money up so you can get the handbook and be a TWUE, WEEL, DOMMIE???? Like I said, we can all share one copy..and as LA put it, it's simple, short, sweet, and to the point anyway...

Kisses, diva!!!

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/5/2005 2:26:03 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kc692

....by the way, have you got your money up so you can get the handbook and be a TWUE, WEEL, DOMMIE???? Like I said, we can all share one copy..and as LA put it, it's simple, short, sweet, and to the point anyway...

Kisses, diva!!!



Well, I just don't know...I think I am pretty damn cute and therefore *I* should *not* have to pay for anything! *W*
Blows a kiss back to the lovely kc!

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 7/5/2005 2:32:27 PM >


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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/5/2005 3:16:01 PM   
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One person's serious is another person's game player. The majority of the people on here are looking for someone to match their needs. They are not playing games. Someone who wants to serve an hour every three weeks is just as serious as someone who wants to serve every hour of every day. Just because they don't fit your definition of serious doesn't mean they are playing games, are fakes, phonies, perverts (wtf, don't throw stones) or wasting time. If their needs do not match yours, accept it and move on. Getting upset or bitter about it just hurts you. Finding a partner is a long drawn out process if you really wish to find someone who meets your needs.

And just because you didn't like someone doesn't mean another Domme won't find him perfect. Forget your black list idea. Accept that he isn't the sub for you and move on! I find it a little disconcerting that your first post ever is such a bitter rant. It seems you have some real issues with the boys you are finding. Perhaps it is time to step away, take a break from men (because the problems you list are not just with subs, they are with all relationships) and allow yourself to recover some of your equilibrium. When you're feeling less bitter, try one of your local groups. I went through the phase you are in. It is a nasty hurtful place. I took my break, found a local Dommecentric group and let myself heal. I found my sub via one of their play parties. He was actually serving, rather than partying like the other subs. Seeing him in action made me feel comfortable with instigating a relationship with him.. We were married last month.

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/5/2005 10:28:40 PM   
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quote:

I wonder if anyone else is getting disgusted with all the male so called subs who are not sincere? They write about what they want and desire and it is about there sexual needs.


quote:

For two people to be able to be open enough with there deepest desires and needs and to fully accepted and cared for without fear of judgement is what it is all about for me.


Huh? Did anyone else notice the contradiction here? Maybe it's just me that sees the double talk.

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I cant see vanilla sex where two people may fall in love with each other, but "oh you cant touch me there", does not make much sense to me.


You might not be able to see vanilla sex but don't knock it. Chances are good that your parents were vanilla. A good deal of the world population is vanilla, but because you don't enjoy it means it is taboo.

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I also can share a long long black list so you dont waste your time with some of these losers.


Frankly, who cares what you think about others? Just because they do not meet your standards doesn't mean they might not fit someone elses requirements. But because they are not what is right for you... you want to black list them?

Great first impression you have made. Nicely done.

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/6/2005 2:13:53 AM   
Focus50


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge

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I wonder if anyone else is getting disgusted with all the male so called subs who are not sincere? They write about what they want and desire and it is about there sexual needs.


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For two people to be able to be open enough with there deepest desires and needs and to fully accepted and cared for without fear of judgement is what it is all about for me.


Huh? Did anyone else notice the contradiction here? Maybe it's just me that sees the double talk..

Maybe if you're looking for contradictions (or conspiracies?). I saw a distinction - trolls seeking action; Venusme seeking connection.

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I cant see vanilla sex where two people may fall in love with each other, but "oh you cant touch me there", does not make much sense to me.


You might not be able to see vanilla sex but don't knock it. Chances are good that your parents were vanilla. A good deal of the world population is vanilla, but because you don't enjoy it means it is taboo.

I found some of the phrasing in the OP difficult to decipher but the only one using the word "taboo" is you. Whether she likes vanilla sex or not, she's entitled to her own opinion - even if you've decided otherwise.... *gasp*

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I also can share a long long black list so you dont waste your time with some of these losers.


Frankly, who cares what you think about others? Just because they do not meet your standards doesn't mean they might not fit someone elses requirements. But because they are not what is right for you... you want to black list them?

Great first impression you have made. Nicely done.

Apparently, you care a great deal about what she thinks....

And a great way to initiate a newbie poster to the boards. What's your next favourite hobby after hazing?

Focus50.

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/6/2005 6:44:39 AM   
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How many collarme members are there anyway? i would propose that for every one, there's a slightly different goal in being here. Some looking for long term relationships, others for friendship and knowledge. Some obviously looking for a short term kink fix (trolls is the accepted term i understand). i believe we have a cross section of society here (the diversity improves the knowledge base).

Just as in any group you'll find some that don't enjoy the same activities you do nor do they have the same relationship goals. To the OP, keep looking either locally or via Collarme. The match for you is out there somewhere. Enjoy the trip and the friendships you make along the way. You can always tell the suspected fakes, phony's and perverts thanks but i'm not interested in that kind of arrangement then refer them to someone you don't like LOL Have fun Ma'am

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/6/2005 7:08:17 AM   
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quote:

And a great way to initiate a newbie poster to the boards. What's your next favourite hobby after hazing?

Focus50.


It is a great way. If the OP posts their very first post as a whine(with or without cheese) - then people are going to make certain assumptions. If the OP has the strength to see her initial post through - then all good for her(in this case) - posting on a message board or forum is going to throw up all sorts of responses - some good and in this case some bad - just have to accept it - and post again. This is a forum for discussion, not a fan club for individuals.(Sorry if I sound harsh)

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/6/2005 7:10:19 AM   
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This is a forum for discussion, not a fan club for individuals.(Sorry if I sound harsh)


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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/6/2005 7:45:46 AM   
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Oh yay. Another "People don't do what want" whine.

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/6/2005 1:41:08 PM   
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I really do object to this idea that somehow the only "fakes" on this site are sub males. There are a staggering number of fake dommes and pseudo-dommes as well.

The most common complaints dommes seem to have on this site are:

ONE: too many subs aren’t reading the whole profile before contacting them or are just ignoring it.

TWO: they hate one-liners.

THREE: they hate cut-and-paste responses.

I understand all three complaints. That is why I always make sure to read the whole profile and write a substantive inquiry, usually addressing everything in their profile specifically. I don’t cut-and-paste, and I have spent up to ninety minutes just composing a single inquiry. I never contacted any domme if I didn’t meet the requirements they posted. If they say nobody who isn’t local, I don’t contact them (unless, of course, they’re close by); if they say nobody over the age of 40 (or even 46), I don’t contact them; if they say you must be bisexual, I don’t contact them; if they say at least 5’10” in height, I don’t contact them, etc. I also don’t talk about my needs or fantasies unless they have specifically asked for that in the profile.

But there are some dommes who, at least according to their profile, sound like they’d WANT to hear from me – like they’re looking for EXACTLY someone like me. So I go through the hassle of writing a polite, literate inquiry, always at least 4 paragraphs (not sentences, mind you, paragraphs – and usually more than 4) always addressing everything they mentioned in their profile and…nothing.

Nothing.

And what flabbergasts me is that some of these women are the ones who complained about one-liners, cut-and-paste jobs, etc. and THEY CAN’T EVEN BOTHER TO RESPOND WITH A CUT-AND-PASTE ONE LINER! That’s hypocritical. And it doesn’t take long before you begin to understand that many of them are just insecure women who come here for attention. They were never for real in the first place. That’s too bad for the real dommes, because any subblie/slave who is sane, reasonably good-looking and TRULY for real knows they can do better at a local bar.

So...that's what you do. It's not 1978 any more and finding a local top-girl is something I'm finding increasingly easy. Most women over 30 want to do something kinda kinky, and while more want a submission experience, a large number are feeling increasingly comfortable with admitting they are -or would at least like to try being- dominant.

I don't complain about the fake dommes on this site. I did in this response, only because you made it sound like all the "fakes" here were male subs, and it just isn't true.

There's nothing wrong with looking for kinky sex on the internet; there's nothing wrong with trying to find your soul mate in cyberspace. But the internet is crawling with fakes of every variety -- not just submissive males. You may get lucky, but if you want "real," dress a little kinky and go out to a reasonably hip bar.

There will be submissive males there, and they'll notice you. I guarantee that.

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/6/2005 1:47:23 PM   
kc692


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quote:

ORIGINAL: dink22

I really do object to this idea that somehow the only "fakes" on this site are sub males. There are a staggering number of fake dommes and pseudo-dommes as well.

The most common complaints dommes seem to have on this site are:

ONE: too many subs aren’t reading the whole profile before contacting them or are just ignoring it.

TWO: they hate one-liners.

THREE: they hate cut-and-paste responses.

I understand all three complaints. That is why I always make sure to read the whole profile and write a substantive inquiry, usually addressing everything in their profile specifically. I don’t cut-and-paste, and I have spent up to ninety minutes just composing a single inquiry. I never contacted any domme if I didn’t meet the requirements they posted. If they say nobody who isn’t local, I don’t contact them (unless, of course, they’re close by); if they say nobody over the age of 40 (or even 46), I don’t contact them; if they say you must be bisexual, I don’t contact them; if they say at least 5’10” in height, I don’t contact them, etc. I also don’t talk about my needs or fantasies unless they have specifically asked for that in the profile.

But there are some dommes who, at least according to their profile, sound like they’d WANT to hear from me – like they’re looking for EXACTLY someone like me. So I go through the hassle of writing a polite, literate inquiry, always at least 4 paragraphs (not sentences, mind you, paragraphs – and usually more than 4) always addressing everything they mentioned in their profile and…nothing.

Nothing.

And what flabbergasts me is that some of these women are the ones who complained about one-liners, cut-and-paste jobs, etc. and THEY CAN’T EVEN BOTHER TO RESPOND WITH A CUT-AND-PASTE ONE LINER! That’s hypocritical. And it doesn’t take long before you begin to understand that many of them are just insecure women who come here for attention. They were never for real in the first place. That’s too bad for the real dommes, because any subblie/slave who is sane, reasonably good-looking and TRULY for real knows they can do better at a local bar.

So...that's what you do. It's not 1978 any more and finding a local top-girl is something I'm finding increasingly easy. Most women over 30 want to do something kinda kinky, and while more want a submission experience, a large number are feeling increasingly comfortable with admitting they are -or would at least like to try being- dominant.

I don't complain about the fake dommes on this site. I did in this response, only because you made it sound like all the "fakes" here were male subs, and it just isn't true.

There's nothing wrong with looking for kinky sex on the internet; there's nothing wrong with trying to find your soul mate in cyberspace. But the internet is crawling with fakes of every variety -- not just submissive males. You may get lucky, but if you want "real," dress a little kinky and go out to a reasonably hip bar.

There will be submissive males there, and they'll notice you. I guarantee that.



There are fake dommes, doms, sub males, sub females, male switches, female switches, heterosexual,homosexual, and bi-sexual. There are also good in all those groups.....is that easier for everybody to understand??? I hope I didn't miss a group, if i did, I'm sure ya'll still get the idea...

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/6/2005 2:44:53 PM   
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quote:

And a great way to initiate a newbie poster to the boards. What's your next favourite hobby after hazing?


I stated my opinions, you have yours.

Instead of turning this into the potential pissing contest that it could become, I will just say that your point is taken and leave it at that.

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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/6/2005 11:32:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dark~angel

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And a great way to initiate a newbie poster to the boards. What's your next favourite hobby after hazing?

Focus50.


It is a great way. If the OP posts their very first post as a whine(with or without cheese) - then people are going to make certain assumptions. If the OP has the strength to see her initial post through - then all good for her(in this case) - posting on a message board or forum is going to throw up all sorts of responses - some good and in this case some bad - just have to accept it - and post again. This is a forum for discussion, not a fan club for individuals.(Sorry if I sound harsh)


I'm not familiar with the "No whining" rule but if we're gonna talk in generalisations, then people don't need any excuse to make assumptions....

But, IMO, there's better ways for the uninitiated to learn local customs than simply trampling them for some perceived indiscretion then getting all philosophical about how they'll benefit for that experience. Your post isn't harsh so much as unnecessary! There's nothing clever, skilful or responsible about educating the inexperienced with a "sink or swim" teaching/learning ethos.

You have the hindsight of some 1200 posts; the OP has *2* at last count and I'm all for cutting her some slack....

Focus50.


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RE: Fakes,phony's and perverts - 7/6/2005 11:43:55 PM   
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Right. She has written two posts and has been on the site for a little over a month--and already she's turned off by "all" the fakes. And you're all for cutting her a little slack?

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