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Endorphins for Dommes? - 7/5/2005 12:51:30 PM   
Davesgirl


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Hello everyone!

Posting this ehre, as well, on some good advice (Thanks Lady A!)

I've heard much abotu sub space and sub drop, but very little in the way of "top space" or any sort of endorphine rush or the like for the Tops.

Could anyone offer any knowledge or what not on this subject pelase?

Thanks in advance!
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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 7/5/2005 12:54:12 PM   
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There is such a thing as "top space" which can be similar. Most tops don't allow themselves to enter this space DURING a scene unless they are very experienced with it, or have someone on the outside specifically to watch and make sure it happens ok.

Endorphins aren't the only way to get to a headspace. The brain makes tons of happy/excited chemicals, seratonins, adrenalines, etc, which can all be used in play to reach where you want to go.

But basically it's the same thing as subspace, just from the perspective of the top, and yes, there also is top drop.

The first time I experienced top space I was pretty overwhelmed, but happy. Top drop was a surprise and obviously sucky.

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 7/5/2005 1:11:53 PM   
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Reposted as well -

The rush I get is from seeing someone completely under my spell, obeying my every command and totally enraptured. I feed off this energy and that is where I get my kicks.

I find Top Drop hard actually. Especially after a very intense scene. It's almost like I've opened a valve of intense aggressive energy for the scene, then at the end, I put a make shift cap to stop the current and then that cap pops off a little while after, when the original trigger - being with the bottom - is not available. I keep meaning to get a boxing bag for such occasions!

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 7/5/2005 3:37:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

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There is such a thing as "top space" which can be similar. Most tops don't allow themselves to enter this space DURING a scene unless they are very experienced with it, or have someone on the outside specifically to watch and make sure it happens ok.


Em is right. I am pretty careful when actually in scene. Especially if the scene has Me handling anything harmful. (Which it usually does! *W*) But it is the best kind of high for Me. I can also get a rush from just thinking about an upcoming session, especially if I have been without for awhile.
The drop is lousy. And I tend to spend the time afterward caring for the sub and ignoring My own needs. That's a good reason to have 2 boys. After 20 minutes of caring for the sub, I can have the other boy care for Me with a good massage.

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 7/5/2005 3:41:59 PM   
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I easily get into Dominant head space, in fact I can achieve orgasm from it, with no direct stimulation. Playing with someing is very much akin to an energy field, and I literally feed off the submissives energy to the point of orgasm, and they feed off my dominent energy field while in sub space. I can normally keep the high going for up to 2 days, if I maintain communication and contact with the person, however drop is often hard if I am unable to talk and or touch them in those days after. As a Domme I require aftercare too.. it bugs me sometimes that subs don't understand that. Giving Power and energy is just as draining as recieving it.. Hence one of the reasons I don't play casually anymore..

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 7/6/2005 11:22:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

I easily get into Dominant head space, in fact I can achieve orgasm from it, with no direct stimulation. Playing with someing is very much akin to an energy field, and I literally feed off the submissives energy to the point of orgasm, and they feed off my dominent energy field while in sub space. I can normally keep the high going for up to 2 days, if I maintain communication and contact with the person, however drop is often hard if I am unable to talk and or touch them in those days after. As a Domme I require aftercare too.. it bugs me sometimes that subs don't understand that. Giving Power and energy is just as draining as recieving it.. Hence one of the reasons I don't play casually anymore..

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As a Domme I require aftercare too.. it bugs me sometimes that subs don't understand that.

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since "I" am not part of the s/m scene stuff yet. what exactly, would a domme, need, for, aftercare?
how does anyone help a Domme afterward?

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 7/7/2005 6:54:58 AM   
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I have found that Top space comes from being able to focus entirely on the person in front of me. My scenes usually start out with everybody giggling and talking, getting into the flow and can turn serious and intense within a heartbeat. I almost get tunnel vision, I can't hear the music anymore or see anyone else, it's just that person. That's why when I scene my husband is 9 out of 10 times right there with me or close to me. The drop comes after giving the submissive aftercare and getting them settled somewhere, I feel aggressive and wound tighter than a 9 day clock. Bama can bring me down from that, he's a very soothing soul when he wants to be. I've found too that I have to be careful because after an intense scene my sugar will drop quickly...not sure why that is though.

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 7/7/2005 8:50:20 AM   
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quote:

since "I" am not part of the s/m scene stuff yet. what exactly, would a domme, need, for, aftercare?
how does anyone help a Domme afterward?



Speaking only for myself: I require contact.. physical.. and also I want to be reassured that you had as good of a time as I did, despite the intensity I want to Feel the sincerity and gratitude that I took you to a good place, and that you'd do it all over again. I also require reenforcment over the days to come that our behaviors bring us closer together, in other words.. No regret.

Heavy SM play is often physically taxing on me, and I normally need food afterwards, and yes, I like to curl up and cuddle after an intense scene too.. Sometimes I am so brain fried on endorphins I can hardly walk.. ( heck a good orgasm can sometimes leave ya inable to stand upright for an hour).. So yes.. aftercare is important..

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 7/13/2005 1:50:58 PM   
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Ms Eden;

i must state then. clearly, it may be indeed i may have to wonder about whatever Ms i may find when and where then, since "I" have NO idea about this play area. so "I" am not going to be doing any endorphin thingy for a long time if ever. i have only experienced a light breeze from a flogger or two and a small skinning from a whip...maybe 1 half ass tryed spanking when my 1st was just showing off to entertain people but was not trying hard.
so since i am basically a virgin to this, and i have not found anyone experienced OR willing yet..........it may be a long time before i get around to being able to help anyone let alone myself.
i heard tell some hen gossip about something called aftercare? don't know. like i said i have not been in anything of length to know what it is yet. let alone what somone whispered to me about getting warmed up. all i know is the one time, She just said drop em and She started in the 56 spankings to show off to the party. (my 50th party) there was nothing about warm up or worrying about anything after. i just got up and finished serving drinks to everyone and cleaned up the kitchen for the night.


so much of all this is so foreign to me yet.

k
i'm done.
later people.

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 1/4/2006 2:05:02 AM   
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WHAT HAPPENED THE FIRST TIME YOU FELT DOMME SPACE?

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 1/4/2006 11:01:31 AM   
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For me top or domspace is where I'm just being, I'm not thinking about all the possibilities and the safety issues, etc. I'm just doing because I am so confident and so secure that it all works and flows beautifully.

Topdrop happens post scene when some doubt starts to come in. I find that having a submissive who says "thank you" afterwards and continues to service regardless if playtime is over is a great way for me to never get topdrop.

Topdrop can also happen when stuff just goes wrong -- it can be a little thing like a knot not tied right or an unexpected reaction. With experience and over time you learn that beign the top or dominant does not make you a deity. You cannot possibly be perfect or control everything. I find that realising this also greatly decreases topdrop.

Now I suspect that topdrop also occurs after a scene ends and things returns to their vanilla setting. I haven't really done that for years so I can't honestly address that that but I think when I did do individual scenes and part-time stuff that the other partner contacting me the next day to say "that was fun!" (so something similiar) really made me feel good.


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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 1/4/2006 5:50:03 PM   
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Feeling superhuman, and possibly slightly psychopathic (at least when I'm being particularly sadistic). And then feeling pretty dead once I'm finished for a given session.

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 1/4/2006 5:59:19 PM   
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I can usually tell when I'm in my Domme-space when my ideas for the scene all come together without hesitation and when my verbal humiliation skills are flawless. I'm also always very sexually excited whenever I play. After a scene I tend to feel fatigued, spacy, and sometimes emotional.

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RE: Endorphins for Dommes? - 1/5/2006 12:56:20 PM   
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Great responses here and so diverse! Which is case in the point that Top space is as diverse as the Tops who experience it!

And for Me, that Dom/Top Space can be just as varied from scene to scene or with each individual I scene with. With My personal boytoy I tend to let go and My space can be really out there and full of adrenalin, but I've had him ten years, safewords are somewhat null and void and I trust him enough to let Myself really fly. But with the extreme space often follows the intense drop. Immediately after, he is usually catatonic and I am anal-retentive about cleanliness so I often start to clean while he can barely stagger to bed. Often I am full rushing like mad at this point then I start to come down. Then comes the free-fall and after that it's like I am stoned - at this point I guess the endorphins kick in and I am wiped for two days after an intense scene in which I permit Myself to really FLY! Yep, I get the Domme drop very bad complete with flu-like symptons and being weak and totally drained. I've heard the comments that with the right power exchange I wouldn't get it - but I don't buy that as I've gotten it with even some really fantastic and attentive submissives. I realize submission is a gift and there is a power from the sub exchanged and given to Me but the ratio of power from the sub compared to the "harnessing and steering a tornado" which is the power that I exhaust in a scene such as this really does not compare as to pure energy I weild. So when I put that extreme energy out there, bridle it and ride it like a wild stallion, I expect the free-fall drop that follows.

And as to Top Space, I think flying differs from being in Top Space for Me. Flying, for Me is still being in control and very aware but it does feel like being on the edge of out of control - ohhh, I love it! But Top Space for Me differs as it is not so wild or on the edge yet is being in a ZONE where I am uber-aware of every element of My surroundings, not just zoned in on the submissive but seemingly just more "there", more perceptive, more AWARE. The implements become an extension of My arm and hand, and while My dominant nature is always prevalent, the Sadist and Wicked Goddess in Me seem to amp up the volume.

Do I "zone" with everyone and in every scene - sad to say but no. I think it depends so much on feelings, chemistry, mood, health, surroundings, trust, etc., etc. One example I can think of as to the "zone" is when playing in public, I seem to go into a zone where I am hyper-aware of everything and everyone around Me. Once I was doing a single-tail scene in a hotel room at an event with the sub on a cross, another sub behind the cross crouched down to hold it steady, masses of folks milling around to the side, a few more to another side, a darling couple quietly observing on a couch behind Me and a photographer flitting around snapping shots. I was so zoning that every movement of every one in the room got My attention but I still was zoned in on the sub and the whip became My hand. I noticed when the young girl behind Me crossed his leg, or the sub crouched at the cross shifted positions, or when more people came into the room and every step that photographer took. Later folks told Me that I was like a weird owl or something as My head would pivot to take in every moment of everyone but My eyes would flick back to the sub then the whip then the sub, lashing and looking all in a zone. What a night that was - hard to explain but while to many it looked like total edge play (and it was!) and so much was going on around Me yet never once was My priority not to the sub or the scene nor was I distracted by the public nature of it all. I was in the "zone"!

Wonder if others can relate to My sentiments?

Great post!!

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