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NControlofU -> RE: I am only owned until........ (8/18/2007 10:53:31 PM)
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Very interesting and well written post, luci. I hope the responders will follow your fine example and give thoughtful answers. As for me, I have no interest in having a slave or anyone else in my life who doesn't want to be in it. That would be way too much drama for me. If my slave tells me that she wants to be released, I will release her. In fact it happened once about 8months after she became my slave. She asked for release and I sadly granted it. We talked it over and resolved the issue that had prompted her to ask for release and she decided she wanted to remain my slave. But if she had still wanted to be released I would have not been angry and I would have helped her in finding a new master if that's what she wanted or helped her to find a new place to live and move her and would have remained a friend to her. The only reason I would take my collar off her neck and disown her would be if she lied to me or stole from me or had a sexual relationnship with another without my permission or did anything that was against the rules we agreed to before bcoming master and slave. Disobedience is a nonissue because she always obeys even when she doesn't want to and she enjoys punishment so that is never a threat to her. She looks forward to it. She can be disobedient but never disrespectful. But since our relationship is based on our mutual desire and benefit the only way that I can see either of us wanting it to end would be if one or the other stopped recieving the benefits that we received now. The motivation for us to be master and slave would have to end for either of us to no longer want this. My slave doesn't have a car or a drivers license but not becuase I don't allow it. She is a right leg amputee and has to have special equipment installed in order to be issued a license and I'm working on making that happen but it takes some time. She doesn't work outside the home because she gets a veteran's pension and I wanted a domestic slave to be at home for my use and pleasure. She does go out to do volunteer work and she goes to the Y to workout. She isn't a prisoner and if she wanted to leave she could do it even without a car. I go to work everynight and she could get someone to help her move and I would not have any idea she was gone until I got home and I wouldn't have any idea where she could be. I would call her cell phone and hope that she would answer and I would send her emails but I wouldn't hunt her down to bring her back. Once gone she would stay gone. But I would let her know how much hurt her leaving had caused me. But that would be that and I would move on. Hope this gives you another perspective on this issue.
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ORIGINAL: slaveluci
Hello all. Please bear with me as I try to put my question into words as clearly as possible. First, I'll state the question to which I'm seeking answers and then explain a little bit about why I'm asking.
The question: As a slave/owned property, what (if anything) could terminate your position as such?
I ask this because over time I have seen many different scenarios described here. I hope it will offend no one if I use specific examples. For instance, daddysprop has explained that her master has taken many concrete steps to insure that she will never be other than a slave. He is her legal guardian, she does not work, drive, or do any number of other independent things in the "outside world." He has even "willed her," so to speak, to another in the event of his death. It appears that she is his property and nothing she can do is going to change that.
On the other hand, Knight of Mists and Kyra and I all had an exchange once where it was said that she is his slave only so long as she obeys him. When she withdraws her obedience, she has withdrawn her desire to remain his slave. Not that mistakes mean she is no longer owned, just that willful disobedience is not something he will tolerate and it means that she has decided she no longer wishes to be his slave. (I'm paraphrasing - from memory no less, so if I'm mistaken please clarify Knight or Kyra[:)]).
Then recently, I've read some threads that kind of touch on this subject and just today I read a post about a slave who was owned for years and that just ended this week. I have no idea about any specifics but it got me wondering again. Without flaming, fighting, or negative comparisions, I would love to hear what slaves and/or owners have to say about my question. Again what, if anything, could you as a slave do to end your slavery? As an owner, what could your slave do (if anything) to end his/her slavery?
As I stated the first time I posted on this subject, I fall somewhere in between daddysprop and Kyra (but closer to the end of the spectrum where daddysprop is). By this I mean: when I became Master's slave, it was made clear that I am His property for life. Once I made the decision to become that, my freedom to choose to not be it in the future was gone. I know some may find that extreme but that is the agreement that we have. It is not to be judged as right or wrong by others. It is simply how it is for us.
I can absolutely see that, for some, willful disobedience could end their slavery and that's fine for them. However, as my Master and I see it, if my own willful disobedience could end my slavery, if I wanted out all I would have to do is continue to be willfully disobedient and then I'd "get my way" and be released. He has made it clear that that is not going to happen. Willful disobedience is going to bring correction and then punishment, if necessary, but never release. I'm not saying that is the "right" way, just that it's our way. Further, it's not really an issue since I am not willfully disobedient, but we're speaking in hypotheticals here, ok?[;)]
In addition, though Master has not taken the steps that daddysprop's master has as far as control of her situation, money, etc., I am convinced that were I to attempt to leave, He would do everything within His power to insure that it would be very difficult. There is also no doubt in my mind that He would "track me down" and bring me back to Him either because He has said as much. When I became His property, it was for real and to Him that means forever. I can't just do it until I don't want to anymore and then leave.
Again, I'm not saying that's the case for others. I'm not comparing and finding our way better. I'm just explaining how our relationship works and asking how yours does. So......slaves/property and your Masters/Owners......would you please be so kind as to tell me how this works for you? And please, guys, take no offense at how I've stated anything or from how others may feel. I'm simply very curious to see all the different viewpoints.
Thanks so much[:)].....................luci
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