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dsubmissiveman -> Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 4:00:57 AM)

Just a quick question about humiliation.  How do you go about explaining your preference for humiliation to a professional dominatrix?  I have had a few sessions, and I tell them that I am looking for creative verbal and physical humiliation and I end up getting swearing and put-downs.  What I am looking for is some humour, objectification and finesse.  I have tried to be forthright in all communication, but I cannot seem to be find the right fit.  Sometimes the dominatirix will ask me for ideas but to me, it kind of defeats the purpose of visiting a pro if I have to make all the suggestions.

Any advice one is willing to offer?  Also, if anyone has some creative ideas, I would be more than happy to listen as I am quite inexperienced.







MissLily -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 4:38:31 AM)

Well one of the problems with creative verbal humiliation, is that you need to be clever, which might not be given to everybody, and I think you need to know the person better. Knowing the person allows you to know what button to push. A pro that's only interested in your money might not be motivated to learn about you.

As for the sense of humour, you have it or you dont.

Miss Lily




Politesub53 -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 6:55:25 AM)

If you are visiting Pro Domme, why not try and find a website of someone, who is specialising in what you are looking for ?
[;)]




Grlwithboy -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 6:57:45 AM)

Do you mean a teasing demeanor?

Do you mean someone who's going to play with your insecurities? Might need to tell her what they are, unsexy as that might sound.

Examples help. Examples told as "these are not scripts, but maybe jumping off points for you to think about" ought to be recieved OK.




undergroundsea -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 8:16:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dsubmissiveman
I have had a few sessions, and I tell them that I am looking for creative verbal and physical humiliation and I end up getting swearing and put-downs.  What I am looking for is some humour, objectification and finesse.  I have tried to be forthright in all communication, but I cannot seem to be find the right fit. 


Creativity is indeed very sexy in BDSM in general. And this effect is most had when it is unexpected and a surprise, which is had when the idea comes from someone else.

It seems you are looking for someone with wit and a sharp tongue. I would look for someone whose description of specialities includes such a reference.

When communicating your interests, I would clarify that you are looking for wit and not for namecalling or put-downs. It might help to give an example to convey the general concept.

For creative physical humiliation, I would describe in fundamental terms what humiliation means to you. For instance, with creative physical humiliation, it is likely a means to express the difference in roles and status than to create emotional discomfort. And these activities can be reduced to common themes: invasion of personal space (face play, mouth play), treating one as if lower status (objectification, animal play, lesser priveleges such not permitted to sit on furniture and to eat from a bowl on the floor), etc.

Cheers,

Sea







idroolchicksrule -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 11:57:12 AM)

I have never been with a pro or non pro for that matter, due to the simple reason that it's not really humiliating unless you know the person and care what they think. Meaning that they don't have to mean what they say, but coming from the lips of someone you respect as at least a friend, will have dramatic effect where as some almost stranger or "professional" just cussing at me will fall on deaf ears....of course that's just me...




MadameMarque -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 2:10:04 PM)

If someone were to tell me, 'I'm looking for creative verbal and physical humiliation,' I would ask him to tell me one of his fantasies.  (I'm not a pro, but of course, that's not the point...)
I would want to draw out more of the character of the dynamic that really works for you.
I might ask, for example:
When you imagine that happening,...
what sorts of things is the dominant saying to you?
what do you imagine the dominant's attitude to be?  For example, is she angry, or cold and distant, or amused by you, or business-like, or like she's ridiculing you, or...?
what do you imagine your feelings to be?  (For example, anxious, embarrassed, ashamed, pressured, fearful, helpless...?)  What are you doing, while all this is happening?
Describe the setting and scenario (she comes and drags you out of bed, in the middle of the night; she humiliates you in front of others, in a business setting; you are just a piece of furniture she uses, and she makes remarks aloud, to no one in particular, that embarrass you...You're naked and she's dressed; she's naked and you are forced to act as if she's not, or you are ridiculed for looking at her; she's beautifully dressed and you have rags on; you are dressed in a servant's uniform...She's a mother figure; she's your pampered girlfriend; she's a doctor who makes you do humiliating things...?)  You may not want to fantasize the situation, at all - you want to work from the real situation, as it's happening.  But what is the nature of the humiliation? 

My point is, not that you have to pick one of those, but that there are many, many things a person could be picturing, when they say, "verbal and physical humiliation," and as you're finding, if you don't have the right dynamic, the right sense of it, with someone, it won't necessarily work, for you.

I would want to know at least one of your fantasies - not to copy it, like a script, but to understand the sort of underlying dynamic that works for you.  For example, you might be very excited to be made into a pony or a dining table or a day laborer, but in all those fantasies, you'd want the dominant to be elegant and act as if she so totally owns you, that she demands you be a perfectly still table, that you not ruin her pony ride by needing to rest, that you not sweat in her presence, while working at her feet...In this example, the scenarios are different, but there is an underlying dynamic that works, for the submissive.  The dominant needs to understand the heart, the core elements, of your fantasies, that are the parts that make it work.  These elements of the fantasy that you cannot do without, are the question; then a dominant can get creative.  There may be more than one that works, for you.  But perhaps you begin to get the idea.

The pro wants to tap into the stuff that does it for you.  The dominant who does it for her (or his) own pleasure, also wants to know what excites the submissive.  Knowing how you work, inside, and what works for you, tells the dominant, for one thing, whether or not you're compatible.  Secondly, it is a tool, which, should she choose and you allow, she may use to elicit the responses she wants, from you.  How can you dominate someone, if you don't understand their nature?

A word about telling your fantasies to a dominant: Revealing your fantasies to another, so that they can use them, can be a scene, in itself. 




planomaid -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 2:52:36 PM)

What you are asking for is basically a judgemental question.  How can a complete stranger, with little to go on, determine what is humiliating to you? 

You state that telling her what works for you is defeating the purpose - but when they come up with what they feel to be humiliating you don't like it.  Obviously if you don't communicate to them they haven't a clue what will work for you.

If you are dead set about handing them the cookie jar of humiliation, then what you need to do is sit down and write yourself a few stories, casting you as the character, and each story focuses on one or more aspects of humiliation that work for you.  Put a little effort into them, make sure they are written half-way decently, with correct spelling and punctuation (who likes to read crap if they can avoid it?).  If you absolutely can't do that, then find stories someone else has written and excerpt the scenes that work for you.  Then you can provide these scenarios to a domme, and she can pick and choose (and perhaps modify) the scenes into something that works for her as well.

Failing all of that, go out and invent a mind-reading device and lend it to your domme so she can read your mind and come up with appropriate humiliation for you.




dsubmissiveman -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 5:10:08 PM)

Sorry for not being more specific.  When I see a pro, I am more than willing to give them some ideas about what I consider humiliating, however, they can ask for more detailed questions to the point where it can feel very scripted.  I am more than comfortable giving them a general idea, but I feel that a pro should be intuitive to shape the experience.

Like I said, relatively new to the scene/inexperienced, so hopefully it is just a matter of finding someone who is more compatible.

Thanks for the input.




planomaid -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 5:25:59 PM)

You are essentially setting yourself up for disappointment every time you visit a professional - unless you are prepared to enter into a short to long term relationship with them.  A professional dominatrix is NOT a mindreader.  The best they can do is go off their previous experiences with other submissives. 

I think you have unrealistic expectations.  Might you get lucky and find a pro who happens to hit upon your particular kink?  Yeah, odds are you won't though.

But if you are dead set against providing them all the information they need, then you are getting what you are paying for.




dsubmissiveman -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 5:29:25 PM)

Hello Madame,

Even though you are not a pro, you certainly would make a good one!  I would be more than happy to discuss a particular fantasy along with the associated feelings/power dynamics behind it. 

However, when I have discussed this with a pro, she would really get into specific questions about what she would say, how she would conduct herself and the time allocation of the scene.\

I am looking for someone who upon understanding my idea of humiliation has the ability to shape the scene.  I want to give someone the creative license to do what they are professionally trained. 

On a sidenote, if you were a pro, I think I would have a delightful time sessioning with you.

Thanks for the advice. 




herpet1313 -> RE: Communication about Humiliation (8/21/2007 6:16:29 PM)

 i recall, from some website, being able to download and print out a two page list of humiliation activities. Next to each was a checklist where one could express one's interest in the activity listed in 4 degrees,  from "very much"  to "not at all." i have it printed out somewhere and will look for it tomorrow. Check back.
If your interests were varied, it would provide a domme enough ideas to keep you off guard.




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