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Demented? - 8/21/2007 5:30:35 AM   
TheEnglishDom


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Food for thought.


To what degree has the world been exposed to internet chat, IM talk, and cyberland?  It seems now more and more people are making “Cyberese” there first language over English.  I have to admit on occasion, I do add an occasional 'LOL' or 'BRB' for speed.  But to type whole sentences, paragraph's or even more so on here, profiles in this new cyber language.  Are people just plain lazy?  Have they lost all sense of reality, and the internet has become there reality?  Do they have a life outside of the internet, or has the internet truly influenced people so much that people have forgotten how to use English, grammar, and most of all, common courtesy of good old manners? 

Even in today’s D/s, B&D, S&M, or BDSM realm, whichever term you like to use, have people still lost sight of the common decency and respect to others?  There is nothing wrong with a ‘dominant’, or ‘master’ opening a door for a lady, whether it be their partner in this realm, or not.  Does being a gentleman make you any less dominant? Are the high percentage of so called dominant’s and masters, that clueless they just see, copy and do, without even thinking of what it is really all about?  Yes there are times and places, and people that like to be treated with a little less respect, they like to play the role maybe most of the time, but do they really also want to be treated less than human all of the time?  But I hear it time and time again from submissive’s and slaves alike, that the majority of dominants and master have not got a clue what most of them want and desire.  So many boast of oodles of years experience, but how much experience do they really have?   If you take someone that professes to have ten years experience in the ‘scene’.  They have at no point really thought of what they are doing, or their partner/s over the years have desired.  Lets just say, for example, they have had ten relationships over those ten years.  Each time starting again, and not really relating adding to their experience, but starting from scratch each time, not learning at all.  That gives them one years experience ten times, if you average it out.  Not making them very experienced, but more along the lines of making them a little challenged in many ways.  Do we really gain from our experiences, or do we just close our eyes and carry on as if nothing has happened?  If we are to progress in life, and yes even in an ‘online’ or internet life, one must keeps one’s eyes open and grow from their experiences.   

Maybe it’s just me, maybe it’s the internet, maybe it’s the sign of regression.  Are we slowly slipping back into the day’s of homo erectus?  What would earlier civilizations done if they had today’s technology?   

Is it so easy “A caveman could do it”, or is Geico influencing the male population? 

LOL.
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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 6:07:19 AM   
adoracat


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Status: offline 		Sir refers to me as his slave.  he also opens doors for me, has me take his arm when we walk together, and in all other ways shows his love, care, and respect for me as a person.  that doesnt make my respect for *him* any less.

when he and i first began talking, he told me "never mistake my kindness for weakness."  to me...it takes more strength to be kind and gentle when one does not have to be, than to abrasive.

kitten, who is very content with her Sir

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 6:41:13 AM   
caught4u


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Status: offline 		past experience never hold as much weight as experience with me. i am not being conceited, just that i see myself unique to others.

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 6:55:49 AM   
MasterMataeo


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Status: offline 		i dont know about others,, but i gain from every experiance that i have had,, adn in my almost 16 years , since i was 17 ,,,, i have learned a lot  about myself and what i want from the BDSM life,, adn i have an easy time finding out wether or not someone is for real or not ,,,
as for the abreviations ,, well it is jsut easier to type them at times ,, not that i'm lazy by no means
but some times shorthand is better than taking the time that somany of us dont have anymore ,, and well things change and evolve ,, adn as with that so will the way we communicate,,
for instnce ,, take Ben Franklin,, whom i agree with ,, that there are several letters inthe english language that are repetitive of others,, and hence we really have no need to have them ,, but alas we do,, and well look at messurments,,  feet inches yards,,
wouldn't it be eisier if the USA converted to that of the rest of the world in Cm DM and Meters,,,???? after all we are the ONLY country on the face of the planet that has it the way we do ,, just food for thought, i do remember that my teachers in elem.school told me that by the year 2000 the USA would have done away with the current measureing systema nd be converted to that of the meter,,,, um here it is 2007 and it didn't happen ,, but the languge has eveolved to the ability to know what one is saying by short hand ,,,, go figure

now as far as manners,, Chivalryy is not dead ,,, well as long as i'm alive,,
i belive that it is proper to open doors and do other certian things for Ladies,, reguardless of their "chosen" status,,

so let me end this with a question for you ,,,
what are your veiws on the lifestyle,, and where do you stand on the subjects that you have mentioned,, for it was more a rant than a question,,
how do you see yourself?
do you feel that the world is comming to an end because ppl chose to use a simpler abv, of a lang,?
do you learn from every experiance every day of your life ,, or are you ignorant to certian ones because of your personal beliefs or are you open to all and accepting of everything?

MM

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 6:56:11 AM   
CreativeDominant


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Status: offline 		Part of the problem is that many dominants took to "posturing"...extending the civility and manners out to an almost ridiculous degree...to the point where any display of manners and/or ritual was taken as "posturing" by many submissives and other dominants.  Personally, I was raised to be a gentleman and will continue to be one.  If that is seen as posturing, then people can choose to see it that way.  Their judgment of ANY sort of mannerly behavior or ritual as "posturing" and their pursuit of the extreme opposite...crudity, equality of behaving in the same way, bordering on disrespectful, towards all...is just as suspect as those who engage in the full-blown, exaggerated and stilted manners.

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 6:59:26 AM   
came4U


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Status: offline 		Dear Mr. English Dom:

In essence, we are losing our abilities in and for the 'art of writing'.  The physical, emotional and the mental.  Have you ever grabbed a pen at the bank to fill out a form and it takes a few minutes to regain proper angle and/or even forgotten how much pressure is required for a signature? Well, I have.  I was like being in my 3rd day of kindergarden again.  It felt odd.  Have you ever had to write a thank-you note to someone who sent a gift and had to rip it up because you wrote lol instead of lots of love, then signature? Well, I have.  Have you ever started to make a grocery list and as the items are lined up neatly in a row. You want to add something to the veggie aisle but can't quite squeeze it in so wishing you can copy/paste but you cannot, you put the item at the bottom with a large arrow circling UP as if to say..'ok, don't forget this too'?  Well, I have. I have been at a computer so long that I have forgotten the beautiful basics of the hand-written word. 

There might be a day when even typewriting via a keyboard would be a neander-like activity. But, as we evolve the way we communicate also does (not always for the better but for the masses).  One mild example of English language evolve/adapt is cc, aka carbon copy, from the days of the early keystoke-machines.  Cc was new, adaptable and aquired by all (in commerce). As far as LOL, or LMAO etc, I see them as a process no different than the cc (in business only) example or even casual short (personal) written shortcuts such as esq. (esquire), esp. (especially), via (by way of) etc etc. These newer forms of acronyms may or may not be harmful in the future. Will they cause a rampant discharge mis-used forms of words, mayhaps. Yet, isn't that the very reason and reasoning that we evolve in the first place? To make life easier? To do things faster? To make the quickest point within the shortest time available?  Seems to me, highly possible. Since early commerce used to be someone pointing and physically/verbally explaining which turn and bend in a market road to get to the exact farmer who sold apples for example. Eventually, the seeker looked up and saw the word (or even a picture of)'APPLE'. Simple, no cross examination necessary from local peasants.

My point? Well, just as English has evolved in roots such as Latin, French, German and Arabic (et al), words will and should always change (commercially and personally/privately) or where do we draw the line on where to end language changes and for what benefit?  

As for the rest of what you say, I have no clue.  I don't know BDSM people nor have someone to open a car door for me, so I am going to stay out of that one LOL. 

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 7:36:05 AM   
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< Message edited by LuckyAlbatross -- 8/21/2007 8:02:01 AM >

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 7:38:16 AM   
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and tomorrows not as bright as it seems....

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 7:58:15 AM   
came4U


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quote:

Every generation somehow things that the "best days" were JUST before they were born and after that everything just went downhill.


quit discussing my boob-age on public forum.

*giggles.

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 9:39:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tommorrow will be brighter if it quits raining. Change happens. Always has and always will. Adapt to it or be left behind. 

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 10:27:02 AM   
atendersoul


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Status: offline 		Level of experience and how it is measured has been a thought to this one also having come from a much different background from most......it is something this is bragged.....no......it was Life....
talked with some of all status here about experience and most seem to be on a bedroom level....as you said, ten Masters in ten years.....so this is not an easy question answered.....
time and experience has allowed this one quality over quantity......
is there a stereotype of how any status of the Lifestyle should be...
a Master that smiles and laughs in jest...opens the door for His property....or cries....is He less by these actions? No, there is nothing within any protocals that states any should be less than humans..... 

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 10:34:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Every generation somehow thinks that the "best days" were JUST before they were born and after that everything just went downhill.


*laughs*  i was about 10 when i smarted off to mama about things being better in earlier days....

she made me do without the washing machine for a month.  washing my clothes in the bathtub, cleaning up all the drips, hanging them on the line....that got real old, real fast.  *grins*

kitten, who wouldnt give up the washer/dryer now....

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RE: Demented? - 8/21/2007 10:40:00 AM   
submittous


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Status: offline 		Language is fluid and constently changing. Most of us have real trouble reading Chaucer and understanding what is really being said. I think you are right, the internet, IM, text messaging etc. is going to have a major impact on the written word, especially with English. I also think that it might make writing easier but lots less concise and in the long run is not a good thing.

It is interesting that the Arab world, in an effort to keep the reading of the Koran accurate, uses classical Arabic as their written language but local dialects for verbal.  If you can read a newspaper in Cairo you can likely read on in Tunis even if the local languages are not the same at all. They claim classic Arabic is the same as it was in 800 AD...

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