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Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:00:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Yes please Real...... im not doubting what you say but i am curious to see it for myself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88_tYTFUA2s nice huh?

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:18:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent We all need a meaning beyond our own existence; it's a social reflex. Some of us believe in god, others believe in conspiracy. The truth is that none of us know, unless your privy to the G8 summit. 'Best bet is to have a beer and get hold of a woman, don't worry about the rest. gent same motis operndi in the uk! all those zillions of cams you guys got suddenly and mysteriously failed on that day, and just by sheer coincidence they were having let blow up the tunnels drills on the same day which totally confused everyone as to if it was real or not. Then a bus they were going to blow up is redirected off route etc etc etc. Here in the usa we were having drills too... we were practicing for planes crashing into the world trade center. i forget the spain scenario but it was a similar mo. I cant wait to see the next one to see if they try the same stategy again since they have been working so well. Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. --Hermann Goering this quote was taken from the notes of an allied shrink.

FullCircle -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:23:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Yes please Real...... im not doubting what you say but i am curious to see it for myself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88_tYTFUA2s nice huh? All it proves to me is that the BBC is capable of bad reporting which I’ve seen for myself elsewhere anyway. Who put the rumour about that the building had collapsed and why did they then collapse it after the rumour was proven to be false? Why does such a careful plan suddenly fall apart in this way? Do you see any explosions prior to it collapsing? Demolishing a building with explosives is a specialist trade. There are only so many contractors in the world with such knowledge surely? Can they risk setting off bombs within the building and then it not collapsing fully? Have you seen the lengths explosives experts go to when they are bringing an existing structure down? Too many questions for me.

Rule -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:26:47 PM)
This nearly persuades me to connect my speakers to my computer. Fun. One more screw up. Well, ordinary people are not the only people who were deceived. I was deceived for about five years. It was only when I started to investigate certain aspects last year that I realized to have sat on the front row of a carefully planned and directed huge theatre play. Why didn't any of the participants get nominated for an Oscar for their acting?

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:30:49 PM)
That news report is disconcerting to say the least. All the enron records were in there and much of the records involving insider trading and other securities fraud investigations. Everyone also forgets that 2.3 trillion bucks of cash that rummy announced missing the very day before, but how many of us remember that after seeing these buildings come down the very next day? I remember. What has been done about that missing 2.3 trillion? NOTHING! its forgotten! The old saying when you stub your toe, hit your finger with a hammer and surely you will forget all about your toe. Next look at what they say in that bbc report: Are they talking about "REVENGE YET" Looks like a huge ATOM bomb went off. (Nuetron maybe.) I love they way they lost the connection to jane stanley! very telling.

FullCircle -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:38:34 PM)
Melodramatic reporting at it's best that is. Satellite links are lost all the time. Further more isn't a neutron bomb supposed to leave buildings standing? Yep she has a good idea about what them neutron bombs going off should look like. [:D]

Rule -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:39:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I love the way they lost the connection to jane stanley! very telling. Indeed. Lots of panick: "We kept to the schedule, but the fucking building is still standing and EVERYBODY can see it live! What went wrong? Fucking demolition team. Let's pretend that Jane Stanley has communication problems and hope that nobody has noticed."

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:40:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Yes please Real...... im not doubting what you say but i am curious to see it for myself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88_tYTFUA2s nice huh? All it proves to me is that the BBC is capable of bad reporting which I’ve seen for myself elsewhere anyway. Who put the rumour about that the building had collapsed and why did they then collapse it after the rumour was proven to be false? Why does such a careful plan suddenly fall apart in this way? Do you see any explosions prior to it collapsing? Demolishing a building with explosives is a specialist trade. There are only so many contractors in the world with such knowledge surely? Can they risk setting off bombs within the building and then it not collapsing fully? Have you seen the lengths explosives experts go to when they are bringing an existing structure down? Too many questions for me. Well teh problems you run into of course with your position imo is that you wond up making what i call 10,000 excuses for virtually everything to discount it. Everything does not fall at once in buildings that collapse from fire. Everything fell not just 1/2 of it. It "all" fell...bang just like that and gone, in its own footprint. You are correct in that there are many ways to drop a building where we can control noise, exposure, and a host of other things. Yes you can see small squibs, and the telling factor in this one is that the whole center forms a kink showing it lost not just one or 2 main support columns but that they were instantly removed. i suppose i can find and load up some snaps for you that you can download and flip through on a viewer if you like demonstrating this very point. You can see the kink, a small delay and then everythign straight down.

Rule -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:46:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Well the problems you run into of course with your position imo is that you wind up making what i call 10,000 excuses for virtually everything to discount it. I noticed that he does. I suppose that he has a beard. (As he does not know how to apply Occam's Razor.)

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:51:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule This nearly persuades me to connect my speakers to my computer. Fun. One more screw up. Well, ordinary people are not the only people who were deceived. I was deceived for about five years. It was only when I started to investigate certain aspects last year that I realized to have sat on the front row of a carefully planned and directed huge theatre play. Why didn't any of the participants get nominated for an Oscar for their acting? well techinically its not even a conspiracy! Its all out in the open and plays on the peoples ability to to stand back and accept that their gov could be at a minimum "complicit" with such a tragedy. Thats the real kicker! It forces people. After buying your chevy or ford someone tells you they were designed to malfunction. Try telling someone their choice of car has been designed that way, especially if they have ford stickers pasted all over it, you might end up with a bloody nose. When you get into politics well anyone who voted for bush will through the same dynamics come up to the soap box and defend their choice in parties! Things like this force people to go against themselves to accept. Even a greater majority who simply do not want to live in feart of their own government. Let it get quiet for a few years and then do it all over again. The biggest problem of course is that we argue amonst ourselfs to protect the very people responsible because we are to centered on protecting our own egos instead of forcing the government to prove to us what went on we wind up forcing the people to prove it and of course there is no funding fo rthat either. i have to give them credit its media manipulation genious. and the only "real" defense is education and do you know how long it takes to educate against traditionally held part line views or anything close to the heart? I have said it many times we are a sinking ship.

FullCircle -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:51:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I love they way they lost the connection to jane stanley! very telling. Indeed. Lots of panick: "We kept to the schedule, but the fucking building is still standing and EVERYBODY can see it live! What went wrong? Fucking demolition team. Let's pretend that Jane Stanley has communication problems and hope that nobody has noticed." Normally when the government is trying to obscure a view behind a reporter they use window cleaners don’t they? How annoying.

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 3:59:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Well the problems you run into of course with your position imo is that you wond up making what i call 10,000 excuses for virtually everything to discount it. I noticed that he does. I suppose that he has a beard. (As he does not know how to apply Occam's Razor.) yes but or is nice to use as a guideline for the absurd, but in practice when one understands the practice of sayanim and that of secret "socities" as JFK spoke emphatiocally against you can no longer discount events or use it as a discounting tool. The evidence is over whelming that something is very much arwy, just look at the 911 research or truth organizations and keep an eye on the growing list of PHD university professors all who are writing pages begfging the populace as a whole to rise up and demand accoutability. We have the governemnt forgiving themsels through imuinty and that is NOT in our constitution! They are just as accountable as anyone else. Everything even osama bin ladens medical records are being hidden from us, the public under national security, sure they work for the federal, (national) government and they want to insure their security from the wrath of the amerivcan people!!!

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 4:07:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I love they way they lost the connection to jane stanley! very telling. Indeed. Lots of panick: "We kept to the schedule, but the fucking building is still standing and EVERYBODY can see it live! What went wrong? Fucking demolition team. Let's pretend that Jane Stanley has communication problems and hope that nobody has noticed." Normally when the government is trying to obscure a view behind a reporter they use window cleaners don’t they? How annoying. LOL yes! i hate dirty windows too!!! Most of this really in the end plays on our education, our fear, our ego centrism, and a host of other issues. The energy problem is a sweet one because even if the plane did not explode and burn off most of the fuel in 10 seconds there still would be no where near enough energy to pulverize the building alone, let alone keep that molten mass of iron going for several weeks. The very disgusting part of it all is that when the government pulls this crap and destroys all the evidence and ropes the area off it takes citizen investigators so freaking long to do their own testing with private and donated money and little resources by comparison that by the time the information gets out to the public we are all sick of hbearing it,. (side not, we have been moved to random ignorance). case in point. i truly hope that people do not let this one slide because if we ever had a chance to kick some serious government ass this is it and we would be fools to let it pass. well they already are actuially lots of suits already but the court system is very questionable so....... who knows.

FullCircle -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 4:15:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne The energy problem is a sweet one because even if the plane did not explode and burn off most of the fuel in 10 seconds there still would be no where near enough energy to pulverize the building alone, let alone keep that molten mass of iron going for several weeks. The energy was stored in the building itself, the plane was the catalyst if you like. If you think it significant that molten metal was still slowly burning weeks after the event what do you think it was caused by?

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 4:19:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I love they way they lost the connection to jane stanley! very telling. Indeed. Lots of panick: "We kept to the schedule, but the fucking building is still standing and EVERYBODY can see it live! What went wrong? Fucking demolition team. Let's pretend that Jane Stanley has communication problems and hope that nobody has noticed." thinking more about this, are the several admissions of complicity that i mentioned earlier. It shows the power of directing someones mind and frankly how vulnerable we are because even tho I did not like what I saw the very day those towers came down even I am guilty of being complacent and pacified by the media. Especially when i talked to my mother later that day (nearly 80 yo) who i disagree with on many issues and she never even seen or heard of it yet and without knowing anything about it said what did the government pull now? That in itself tended to shut my brain down, at least till I started to look into it with the realization that the governemnt is really trying to sweep a lot of things under the table on this. 911 research and the 911 truth org is doing a really good job getting to essential issues that have been ommitted by the governemnt, and we do need a well funded totally independent investigation of about 500 phd's to prevent any deck stacking and thenm we need to watch their opinions and what benefits they or their relatives recieve over the next 10 years and how they are acquired. that is how its done now days. If people research the ones on pm magazine they will discover that there were huge payoffs with jobs titles and contracts rewarded, especially for that one demolition expert who changed his story to support the government midstream

Politesub53 -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 4:30:02 PM)
Ok i buy this one.... The BBC were told the building had collapsed, they then reported it as such.... That meant they had been told it was collapsed as someone knew it was about to be demolished...... Maybe it needed to be demolished but the point was it had not collapsed. Mods.......any reason for moving this to polls & random stupidity all it was was off topic ??

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 4:42:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne The energy problem is a sweet one because even if the plane did not explode and burn off most of the fuel in 10 seconds there still would be no where near enough energy to pulverize the building alone, let alone keep that molten mass of iron going for several weeks. The energy was stored in the building itself, the plane was the catalyst if you like. If you think it significant that molten metal was still slowly burning weeks after the event what do you think it was caused by? i hazard to speculate. Yes the energy was in the building itself but the math shows it was less than "half" that was required just to both "pulverize" and "bring the floors down alone"! not including the molten fires and the rest of the steel etc etc. There are those huge columns that were bent totally around on themselves not only without breaks but without cracks! One of the biggest controversies even in the conspiracy world is what is causing the nano particle steel. It takes extreme heat to vaporize steel into sub micon sizes and it is extremely hazardous because sub micron particles can enter the nuelci of cells in your body. Berkley came out immediately and found elevated levels of tritium, which there were sources that "possibly" could account for that if there were several gun scopes that used it. Of course we have no way to know since our government didnt bother to take that into account, hence the nick name ommission commission. A finish military expert put the trade center collapse photos along side a very small directional nuclear bomb explosion (as the woman on the bbc suggested), and there is virtually no difference in color or the pyroclastic effects. Add that to the higher levels of tritium measured by berkley and we have yet another possibility that cannot or at least should not be sawept off the table of possibilities. People think of nukes as being something that wipes out a state at a time with endless fallout but the technology has come a long way and they are small, they actually have directional yields, and low yield and leave footprints that can all but disappear in a few weeks. A neutron low yield bomb as the finnish military dude said would give the heat required to actually evaporate the steel and it would also literally and instantaneously explode the water contained withint the cement bursting it into an aerosol as was seen through out new york. My personal brain jury is out on that at this time, however kowing where the technology is at right now i cannot rule it out as another possibly unfortunately.

Rule -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 4:50:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne thinking more about this, are the several admissions of complicity that i mentioned earlier. It shows the power of directing someones mind and frankly how vulnerable we are because even tho I did not like what I saw the very day those towers came down even I am guilty of being complacent and pacified by the media. Especially when i talked to my mother later that day (nearly 80 yo) who i disagree with on many issues and she never even seen or heard of it yet and without knowing anything about it said what did the government pull now? That in itself tended to shut my brain down, at least till I started to look into it with the realization that the governemnt is really trying to sweep a lot of things under the table on this. Quite. The upside is that they have made so very many noticeable screw ups. They are funnily inept. I am also fascinated by the way they try to amend those screw ups with new misinformation - and how they are succeeding in making most people believe those untruths.

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 4:52:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Ok i buy this one.... The BBC were told the building had collapsed, they then reported it as such.... That meant they had been told it was collapsed as someone knew it was about to be demolished...... Maybe it needed to be demolished but the point was it had not collapsed. Mods.......any reason for moving this to polls & random stupidity all it was was off topic ?? thats the problem with the whole scenario. Was it in 1973? Like 3 or 4 floors are claimed to have literally "raged" in flames and the fire department put it out and there was no damage or weaking to the actual structure of the tower. If you look at videos of wtc seven there was virtually no fire by comparison. The fire in wtc 7 could have been put out with a few garden hoses by comparison. Another point that is never talked about and it can be seen from the several ariel photos is how and i forget the number, but building 5 maybe? was literally gutted out. It was like 5 and 6 had huge holes in them like reaching the middle opf the building and scooping them out. If you examine the pics you cannot see any significant or large chunks of debris that would have fallen from 1 or 2 wtc. In fact those anomolies are not even, well the buildings are not even mentioned in any of the government reports much less how they got "scooped" out with littel to no debris falling on them. The one building has one chunk that you can see came from prob wtc 2? and it was toward the outside not in the middle of the gouge.

Real0ne -> RE: Conspiracy theories (8/25/2007 5:04:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne thinking more about this, are the several admissions of complicity that i mentioned earlier. It shows the power of directing someones mind and frankly how vulnerable we are because even tho I did not like what I saw the very day those towers came down even I am guilty of being complacent and pacified by the media. Especially when i talked to my mother later that day (nearly 80 yo) who i disagree with on many issues and she never even seen or heard of it yet and without knowing anything about it said what did the government pull now? That in itself tended to shut my brain down, at least till I started to look into it with the realization that the governemnt is really trying to sweep a lot of things under the table on this. Quite. The upside is that they have made so very many noticeable screw ups. They are funnily inept. I am also fascinated by the way they try to amend those screw ups with new misinformation - and how they are succeeding in making most people believe those untruths. well i lost my clip where they edited how many times the word terror and osama bin laden and terrorist were used in the course of speeches and news reports. Its sad but the facts are that just hearing it in the background and many times its even worse when its in the background as it tends to seep in better but this constant use of the word terror, terrorist, and the funniest of all is when bush called them islamic fascists! talk about a contradiction in terms LOL But they hit is with thhe repeat of these words over and over a zillion times over the years. Did yo upick up on that bbc dude specifically using the word "revenge"? They are systematically placing this at a minimum in our consciouses as if to suggest that we should be getting revenge, or worse revenge is somehow "assumed". These tactics are so tried and tru through out history by so many governments and they work literally flawlessly, at l;east till now that we have the internet!!! little bump in the road. Oh there was some concert and i forget who but in their song they make some comments about bush and att internet service suddenly went dead while those comments were being sung. Of course they are being sued for it but it does show you what can and is being done and what is coming up the road if we do not get off out butts and do soemthign to bring accountability to our governments.

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