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Collar troubles? - 8/29/2007 10:45:26 AM

SlaveSuru

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I have a beautiful leather collar my Master purchased for me almost a year and a half ago, Th only problem is even though I clean it reguraly It's getting a bit manky. I wear it all the time except in showers and when I'm doing things that might make me sweaty. I used a leather protectant spray on it but it didn't help to protect it. My queston is how can I keep the leather of my next collar beautiful and mank-free? I've told Master it might be better to invest in a metal collar of some sort so I could wear it 24/7 and not worry about it becoming smelly but he said he likes the look of leather against my skin, So metal's not an option

Please any advice would help

Suru

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/29/2007 10:59:58 AM

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I'm afraid that's what happens with leather when you wear it a lot. Depending on the type of leather and the treatment it has, you might want to talk to a bootblack and see what repair can be done, but it is porous, organic material and will show wear and tear if worn constantly.

Perhaps a leather band wrapped around a metal band? The metal can provide the stability to keep the leather in place and shape but you still get the look and feel of actual leather.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/29/2007 12:15:43 PM

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Unfortuantely, leather is porous and will absorb fluid ie sweat.
Just look at a pair of leather shoes.

No matter how well you keep the leather maintained, it will need to be replaced at some point, so the best option is to not see the collar as a perm icon, but one that will need replacing (or parts of it replacing) from time to time.

Inform your Master about this so he is aware of the possible cost involved as well as the time you will be without a collar when it is being repaired and maintained.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/29/2007 12:19:33 PM

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Sadly, leather is an organic substance, and is going to deteriorate, sounds like best you can do is keep up the cleaners and protectant until replacement time.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/29/2007 12:41:10 PM

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I beleive it is possible to clean a piece of leather, however, I have no clue on how it would effect the lifespan. I once owned a bracelet that had my online ID name pressed into it, and I think I must have worn it for 2 years constantly before I eventually put it in a soak of ammonia and water. Now, that is just what I did, and it was a small bracelt, not anything like a collar. Still, perhaps if you are attached to your collar you could investigate leather 'cleaning' methods?

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/29/2007 4:35:40 PM

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its going to absorb things, yes.

i treat my leather stuff to a cleaning with saddle soap and then a generous application of mink oil (apply the mink oil, let it sit for an hour or so, buff it off, re-apply X2) and havent had any issues with it. it keeps the leather supple as well. i do this every couple of weeks, more often if i think it needs it.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/29/2007 5:36:18 PM

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I know this works with my work boots and my hockey gear very well. Put it out in the sun for a few hours. Bad odors are caused by bacteria in the leather, the sun will kill that off and the smell should reduce, a lot. Give it a shot and let me know how it works for you.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/29/2007 6:07:37 PM

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Lexol makes good products you can get for maintaining, restoring, reconditioning, etc. Available at any auto parts store. But you have to stay on top of it. And, as everyone else has said, at best it's a delaying action and it will have to be replaced. Nothing you can do about it. But the products will keep it looking better, longer at least.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/29/2007 7:18:14 PM

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Leather protective spray is not the same as leather cleaner. For cleaner you want saddle soap and then a protective oil, I recommend Bick's.

Most importantly is that you need to not wear it 24/7. It needs to be taken off and allowed to dry for several hours daily. Wear it at night and allow to hang in the air during the daytime or vice versa.

If he really wants you in a leather collar 24/7, buy 2 and alternate them.

Don't use leather sprays, they're not nearly as good as the kind you rub in using a sponge or a toothbrush. Which reminds me I've been avoiding cleaning the good saddle, sigh.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/29/2007 9:07:03 PM

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And get a "collar horn" Like a shoe horn, they will help the leather retain its original shape and not warp as it dries.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/30/2007 8:11:46 AM

SlaveSuru

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Thank you everyone for the wonderful advice, I know leather's not going to last forever but it kinda shocked me when my collar got manky. I'm gong to try the sun idea Goalie suggested first, i think it'll help since I usually do not take my collar off except for showers and sweaty work. Maybe all it neds is a good airing out. The leather looks good on both sides, and is still supple and soft so I don't thnk it has rot. I'll have my Master's friend who does our floggers and thngs take a look at it He might be able to help it have a little longer of a life. Or if it's gong to go down hill he can suggest a certain type of leather/care for my next one. I really learned alot from hearing your advice and I think I'll use saddl soap from now on nstead of the leather cleaning lotion my master has, and probably avod the leather protectant spray and use mink oil.

Thank you all again for the wonderful advice.
Suru

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/30/2007 11:10:34 AM

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Without knowing the type of leather of your collar it is difficult to provide exact advise. Care is different depending on tanning methods, dyes and finishes.

Some basic info:

PREVENTATIVE MAINTAINCE
Keep collar clean! Sweat, blood, oils and other body fluids can harm leather. Even ordinary substances such as alcoholic beverages, sodas and juice, gasoline and body lotions can your collar. Gently clean leather after each use, or daily if worn every day. Wipe down with a clean, damp cloth and let it dry dry thoroughly in a well-ventilated area before putting it back on. This would be a good evening task before bedtime.

DEEP CLEANING
Some traditional leather cleaners contain glycerin and are not a good choice for leather worn on a daily basis. Glycerin acts as a humectant, which means it tends to attract and hold moisture from the air. While that property may help leather fibers remain flexible, it also provides a lovely location for mold, mildew and nasty odors.

Saddle Soap is a mild soap containing some blended conditioners. Many brands are available and comes in paste, liquid and bar form. White, yellow and black colors available. Saddle soap is like face soap. You use it to wash the dirt out. Then you must remove the soap but without oversoaking the leather.

Dry the leather in the sun to take advantage of the disinfectant properties of the sun's ultraviolet light. (Hint: Do this on a breezy day so that there is less time the leather needs to remain in the sunlight)

Vinegar (50% vinegar to 50% water) can also be used to remove odors from leather but do know that it can all damage the fibers, will cause excess drying of the leather and could cause extreme discoloration. After washing the leather with quality saddle soap spray a fine mist of the vinegar solution over the leather, wipe with a clean soft cloth and let air dry in the sun.

RECONDITIONING
You will need to recondition your leather after deep cleaning. You have removed the villains but you have also removed the natural and impregnated leather oils that keep quality leather in top-quality condition! Choose your conditioning product with care. (My favorite for topgrain, aniline tanned leather collars is Aussie Leather Conditioner.)

Mink Oil: It's primary purpose is as a water proofing agent for hiking boots. It is not recommended as a protective or conditioning coating for garment or toy leather. As an animal byproduct there is a chance of rancidity. Some Mink leather products have filler ingredients so read the label if you prefer good quality.
Neatsfoot Oil: A "neat" is a beef animal, and this oil used to be made out of cow hooves, hence the name. Nowadays it is derived from a variety of hoofed animals. It is heavy oil and is known to rot cotton stitching on leather items that have been sewn. As an animal byproduct there is a chance of rancidity.
Beeswax Products (Aussie Leather Conditioner, Dansko Beeswax Conditioner, Pecards etc): Light viscosity offers superior massaging ability for garments and whips.
Dubbin: (Chelsea Dubbin & Leather Food, Don Thomas Dubbin, Mr S., etc) A generic name for a product usually consisting of beeswax and rendered tallow (rendering slows rancidity action) (http://dubbin.olimarthewondercat.com is a hilarious site dedicated to dubbin)
Grease: (Huberd’s, Obenaufs): Pine resin and beeswax based conditioning and water repellant product. Heavy consistence makes this a superior product for oil tan boots.

For superior results take your leather clothing and boots to an experienced bootblack for quality care.

RESOURCES
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/BootblackForum
http://www.geocities.com/bootpigaz/bootblacking.html
http://www.virginiabootboy.com
http://www.bootdog.com
Http://www.geocities.com/alleycatoronto
http://www.FantasiesInLeather.com/leather_care.htm

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/30/2007 7:44:35 PM

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Oh and a warning, if your collar is light colored it will darken in response to a good rubbing or immersion in protective oil.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/30/2007 8:06:59 PM

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Toymaker here.

You need a washable fabric liner that can be removed to clean it.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/30/2007 8:16:47 PM

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I make my own leather conditioner that I use on my leather goods....but that might be a bit more time consuming than you are looking for. First you have to kill a bear(or you might be able to get some from someone who processes wild game), dress it and render the tallow. I then make a blend of the rendered tallow and beeswax, which I get from a local beekeeper.

Anyway, it would probably be easier to follow the advice of Elegant....she knows her stuff when it comes to leather.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/30/2007 10:40:26 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I make my own leather conditioner that I use on my leather goods....but that might be a bit more time consuming than you are looking for. First you have to kill a bear(or you might be able to get some from someone who processes wild game), dress it and render the tallow. I then make a blend of the rendered tallow and beeswax, which I get from a local beekeeper.

Anyway, it would probably be easier to follow the advice of Elegant....she knows her stuff when it comes to leather.

quick hijack. I had to perve your profile because i wanted the full image of the bear killing...that pic of you on the bed leaning towards us is....HOT! I can see how you distract the bears long enough to lure them to their death.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/31/2007 1:01:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: charlotte12

quick hijack. I had to perve your profile because i wanted the full image of the bear killing...that pic of you on the bed leaning towards us is....HOT! I can see how you distract the bears long enough to lure them to their death.

end hijack

Well thank you! I really don't think the bears care though what I look like. I find that the best bear bait is doughnuts....they frigging love doughnuts.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 8/31/2007 2:17:04 PM

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Look into Scotchgard, see what they say. Works beautifully on non-leather flipflops; I'm not sure how it will translate.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 9/1/2007 6:55:30 PM

Lythe

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I've found that tack shops (places to get equipment for horseback riding) tend to have an amazingly large amount of leather cleaners and the people don't look at you awkwardly when you ask them the best way to clean things!

I use Fiebing's saddle soap and I love how it makes my leather stuff smell, I think it smells like carrots when you first put it on but once you take it off things smell like leather again.

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RE: Collar troubles? - 9/1/2007 9:21:28 PM

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not much to add... most things mentioned are conditioners... good advice!

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