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Celeste43 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/30/2007 5:04:39 AM)

In conversation face to face, body language and facial expressions help to convey meaning. In a text only medium, there is no way to understand each other except through the use of clear language. That's why smiley faces and other emoticons are so popular, they help people convey nuances that otherwise might be misinterpreted.

If you have a learning disability, you might wish to add it as your signature.

Now as far as your question goes, the difference between s & m and abuse is consent. If you've been doing wiitwd for 30 odd years, I presume you have consented to bottoming or gotten a bottom's consent. Informed consent is what makes it different.

For example, if you are with a group of friends and I barrel into you head first, that's assault. Unless we're all in football uniforms at which point you have consented to being assaulted or tackled. See the distinction? Consent must be given freely, without blackmail, threats or any other coercion and the person consenting must be able to understand what they are consenting to. The ability to understand is what makes it informed. That's why it's illegal for adults to seek out minors for nefarious purposes, minors are presumed to not be able to understand the full ramifications and therefore cannot give informed consent..

Any other questions? And next time use honey, not vinegar, it gets a better response.



SirDraco7 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/30/2007 5:06:06 AM)

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We all have faults and we all have Strong points you may not think you do but you have . I would much rather have some one working with me that if i sad to go fix some thing that would go fix it Rather then to have them say i spelled it wrong or its not worded right


I'm not sure what you need here that is fixing.  Like what was said before, if you have been into BDSM for 30 years you should know the answer to the first question already.

Or are you seeking other's opinions on the matter?   Again I don't understand your question or what fix is needed here.

I also fail to see how this sub got ridiculed and insulted here.

Basically...  your posts are just fragments. We do not understand them and in some cases they might be misunderstood.

This is not a spelling or a grammer test, but if you don't pass across your message well due to bad spelling and grammer then we cannot help, on top of which we might misunderstand what you are asking.


basclyifitypedlikethiswouldyouunderstondwhotwussidnoidontthinkitwuldbeverieasyforeyuutounderstand.

Do you understand?   If by chance you did was it easy?
And in either case which is easier for you to read?  and which is easier for you to understand?    Like it or not sometimes spelling and grammer matter, otherwise you won't get the answers you seek because nobody would understand the questions you asked.

Just my objective thoughts...



chains314 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/30/2007 8:02:24 AM)

ok well all have fun



Slaveless1 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/30/2007 7:52:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: chains314

Well perhaps so or i may just not think it was a grammar and spelling test
when how other folks spell or type becomes a big issue  to me then i will know i better back up and take a good look at my self and see what i am hiding .

We all have faults and we all have Strong points  you may not think you do but you have . I would much rather have some one working with me that if i sad to go fix some thing that would go fix it Rather then to have them say  i spelled it wrong or its not worded right


Of all your posts that you have here, "We all have faults and we all have strong points" is one of the most intelligent things you have said to date. Congrats to you!!! Once again I urge you to use a spell check program before posting....check the little box at the top right hand corner. You are correct in the fact that this is not a spelling test, but your thoughts are a best mixed up. You have stated you have been involved in this for 30 years....even as a slave you should an answer of sorts for this other sub. The very least you could have done is set this sub straight from the get go and let him/her know beating ones submissive in most instances is never abuse. I think, after much thought; your question you were trying to ask may have been worded as such: "What is it that has made you a Master? Did you grow into this role or do you feel you were born with it?" "What made you a Master rather than become a submissive?"



labrat18610 -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/31/2007 8:42:23 PM)

I think chains314 is asking an important question, though rather inarticulately. What is the difference between a "Master" and a pure sadist?



Lordandmaster -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/31/2007 8:46:22 PM)

A master is someone who owns a slave (or at least one slave).

I think you'll find that's the only definition that works.



Shadowen -> RE: what makes a master a master (8/31/2007 8:53:36 PM)

Unless you're talking about a skill set. Which applies ....somewhat. Depending on what you're a master of. Other than that you're right. With a slave/submissive/etc you're a master or mistress. Otherwise you're just a dominant.



Padriag -> RE: what makes a master a master (9/1/2007 8:43:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: labrat18610

I think chains314 is asking an important question, though rather inarticulately. What is the difference between a "Master" and a pure sadist?

Except that not all "masters" are sadists.  Not all sadists want a M/s relationship.  Not all masters are presently in M/s relationships.  Not all masters are "good", nor are they all "bad".  Some are members of groups, others are not.  Some define it by owning someone else, some defining by "owning" themselves, or some variation thereof.

Its a label, a word, a title that gets used quite a bit.  Not everyone agrees on exactly what it means (very few it would seem).  For a submissive talking with a "master" the best advice is probably to find out what being a "master" means to that individual, and go from there.



RRafe -> RE: what makes a master a master (9/1/2007 9:02:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chains314

Duse some  one just wake up and decide thy or a master it seems to me thy or wonting a excuse to beat up and abuse a women .And  think that if thy call them self master its OK then


It seems a polular way for many sadists to justify themselves.

But Mastery is really more about an authority dynamic.



feastie -> RE: what makes a master a master (9/1/2007 6:50:04 PM)

A Master to one won't be a Master to another.  It's completely subjective.  You may well be a Master to your slave or submissive, but others would not find you so.

The reason several people are harping on your writing skills is because you are not good at presenting your thoughts in a way that is readable to everyone.  If you have a learning disability, as some have asked, or even if English is not your first language, you should make an attempt to make your posts clear, so that readers can understand them.  Use spellcheck, as some have suggested.  Use a period at the end of a thought.  No one is being mean to you, they just want to understand you better.  It's up to you to help.



roland23 -> RE: what makes a master a master (9/1/2007 9:28:25 PM)

What makes a master a master?

For myself and many of us older doms, it is not about:
1) Wealth( we believe in low budget BDSM, we shop at dollar stores because they have the best prices for duct tape and rope.
2) Beauty( Is this Collarme or my junior high?) Someone said that a master has to be handsome, should he also have 20 inch biceps? Some of the greatest doms I know are short balding bespectacled guys.

A Master is a Master first and foremost because he knows what he wants and will use all of his powers to achieve it.

He doesn't even have to wear tight leather pants !     



Lordandmaster -> RE: what makes a master a master (9/1/2007 9:32:13 PM)

But that kind of thing really irritates the dictionary crowd.  We have to be mindful of their feelings, you know.

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ORIGINAL: feastie

A Master to one won't be a Master to another.  It's completely subjective.  You may well be a Master to your slave or submissive, but others would not find you so.



corsetgirl -> RE: what makes a master a master (9/1/2007 9:36:34 PM)

What makes a master a master?  Hmmm...there are different dynamics to this relationship between dom and sub. I would settle for a master who does not disappear and can honor his level of  honesty! 



Squeakers -> RE: what makes a master a master (9/2/2007 6:53:02 AM)

   I read your profile and it states you are seeking a Mistress.   So I ask you what makes a Mistress a Mistress?  
There ARE men who will attach the label Master or Dominant to their name to, in their mind anyways, gain a 'legal' permission by way of contract to abuse women.  Is it right?  No.   Does it happen?  Yes, I know ONE such person.   Does it happen often?  I doubt it.   Should all Masters/Dominant males be lumped in that catagory?   Absolutely with out a doubt NO.
 I could take your statement and substitute Mistress for Master.   It is the same thing.   I know a 'Mistress'---'Domme' who has labeled herself as such because--'her words' "My husband abused me for 12 years and no other man is ever going to abuse me again.   I will abuse them. I am the boss, I am in control."   Is that right?   I don't know, I think deep down the lady is a nice person, it is not like she is abusive, her relationship is consensual.   Personally I think she is a little 'weird' generally.   But that is a whole other non lifestyle story.   But she is ONE of many.   Not all think the same way she does and is it fair for me to say, every single Mistress is a suvivor of spousal abuse.   No.   
   After 30 years in the lifestyle as you stated, it seems you would know that every single person out there is an indivivual.   Every Dominant male or female and submissive has their own style their own reason for being who they are.   Each one is one of many and we can not put them in a neat little box and label it one way because ONE person thinks this way.  
   Hope this helps.    
Edited cause my proof reading sucks.        



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