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predicament bondage - 8/30/2007 10:33:51 PM   
bottomsupsub1


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i was just hoping for a couple of ideas to try with my master.  I am into heavy,long,somewhat painfull uncomfortable sessions of bondage but have only really done standard type things.  I am very keen to get more experience in predicament bondage.  Does anyone have any ideas or experiences with this they can share,what positions or predicaments i can try..

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RE: predicament bondage - 8/30/2007 10:44:33 PM   
e01n


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Status: offline 		Actually, you have the answers to most of this already.

Ask yourself some things: What is attractive about the predicament? The roleplaying? The idea of trying to escape? The drama of the situation? Being overpowered? What will your master be most interested in among these elements?

For example: if I'm into the escapeology part, then my Mistress had better put some effort into making it difficult for me to escape. If the idea of overpowering me is what flips Her switches, then I need to put effort into adding challenge to that.

There are a number of excellent predicament sites on the net, some more roleplay oriented (Bedroom Bondage) and some are more about the aesthetics of the bondage itself (ropelover.com fits this, but isn't a "typical" predicament site). Take a look, share with master and you'll have a solution.

Me, personally - I dig the old style detective magazines...

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RE: predicament bondage - 8/31/2007 12:11:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: e01n
Ask yourself some things: What is attractive about the predicament? The roleplaying? The idea of trying to escape? The drama of the situation? Being overpowered?

e01n, you're misunderstanding the definition of predicament bondage. Predicament bondage is where the sub is restrained with a very limited number of positions available to them. An example of this is a submissive tied with their hands over their head that can stand on tip toe to relieve the strain on their shoulders or stand flat footed and strain the shoulders to relieve the toes.
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ORIGINAL: bottomsupsub1
what positions or predicaments i can try..

Have you tried things with a wood pony? (sawhorse) I am given to understand it can be quite uncomfortable for a woman to be bound over one where she has the choice of being on tip toes or having that nasty slender wood biting into her pussy. You could use a dowel rather than a sawhorse if you don't have access to one. 

Also, if you have long enough hair, a simple harness that ties to your hair to keep your head back or a rope bites into the pussy is one I've heard is deliciously uncomfy. (For this one, the rope is tied around the neck in a circle large enough to go over the head (for easy removal and to make sure the sub can breathe) with a knot that will not slip, then drawn down between the nether lips and up to tie to the hair. Using rough rope makes this one even nastier.)

Also, you can use clamps or clips on the nipples or vaginal lips that are get pulled if you do not remain in some uncomfortable position. If you're willing to get piercings, it opens a new realm of possibilities.

I recommend you look at the free area of http://www.hogtied.com/ to get more ideas for uncomfy bondage. .

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RE: predicament bondage - 8/31/2007 12:34:20 AM   
BeachMystress


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Status: offline 		Mea culpa.. I assumed female when I read Master. Please forgive me. It was a foolish mistake on my part.

For the wood pony to be awful for males, use something to bind the balls together and keep them where your weight will rest on them when you are not on tiptoes or gaff yourself before being placed on the pony. For the clamps, the nipple stuff is the same, but instead of vaginal lips, attach the clips to the ridge around the head of your penis.

If you have a foreskin, you're probably best to treat it gently. However, if you're willing to risk the potential problems, attaching tweezer type http://www.peselectro.com/pescontent/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=234 nipple clips to either side of the foreskin can be very painful when pulled. I've also attached that type of nipple clip to either side of a man's urethral opening. (Leave the little black tips on the clips unless you're a heavy masochist. The teeth under them are WICKED.) You can loop the chain around something first as part of the bondage or attach the chain to something that pulls, like a headband type tie with you curled where leaning back pulls.

Another idea is to incorporate a vampire glove into the mix, so that moving drives the prongs into your penis or balls. You could also use something similar to a vampire glove on an anal knot.

You can also use ice.. either it comes into contact with you in one of the positions or have an ice butt plug that slides into you if you don't maintain your position. Remember, always run water over an ice dildo or butt plug before using to stop it from sticking to slightly moist skin. And always beware of cold induced injury. You can also use heat sources for this, but the potential for damage is much greater with something that can burn. Christmas type lights are NOT suitable for this use!

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RE: predicament bondage - 8/31/2007 5:22:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress: e01n, you're misunderstanding the definition of predicament bondage. Predicament bondage is where the sub is restrained with a very limited number of positions available to them. An example of this is a submissive tied with their hands over their head that can stand on tip toe to relieve the strain on their shoulders or stand flat footed and strain the shoulders to relieve the toes.
Actually, no I'm not. The term is often used in North America to describe what I'm talking about - where the setting and scenario is key. A bondage predicament (the order of the words reversed) is the term used to describe the actual technical bondage itself...

Maybe it's different in your neck of the woods, but this is what I've been led to understand from Wiseman, Midori, Harrington et al. I could be wrong... but...

And yes, the foreskin is very sensitive, even along the "remaining" inner surface after circumcision. Think clitoral hood, if that helps... but even it can take *some* abuse.

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RE: predicament bondage - 8/31/2007 5:24:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		See the Saw movie series and you have the seminal definition of predicament bondage.
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RE: predicament bondage - 8/31/2007 5:45:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I used to read stories of submissives playing games while their Master was out. It involved the Dominant partner to set the submissive up in a particular position that would begin to get uncomfortable, and use handcuffs or something lockable where you could hide the key in a bottle of ice that has been frozen overnight, so that there is no way out of the bondage until the ice has melted.

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RE: predicament bondage - 8/31/2007 7:42:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Which reminds me of another source of ideas - Self-bondage. There are a number of people who play that way, so you should have little trouble finding howtos on that. In fact, here in the General BDSM forum, I believe I've seen threads on this recently... worth a quick search.

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RE: predicament bondage - 8/31/2007 7:45:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally I'd take a wooden pony with a dowel over hair bondage, neck spasms are not fun at all and they bring everything to a screeching halt involving him massaging my neck.

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RE: predicament bondage - 8/31/2007 8:18:55 AM   
BeachMystress


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Status: offline 		I am in North America.. California to be exact. And any place I've seen it, including one of Midori's workshops I attended, it is not role play predicament but positional predicament. http://bondagelessons.com/2004-08-01-midori-predicament.htm
"we have a special treat - "Predicament Bondage", taught by Midori.
 
Here's a class for fun-loving, wicked tops and for bottoms who enjoy a challenge.
 
Predicament bondage creates a situation where the bottom is 'between a rock and a hard place.' "
Feel free to Google Predicament Bondage or just visit the WIKI on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicament_bondage (I just knew there had to be a WIKI.. Wikipedia rocks!) Or better yet, call one of your friends who has been into BDSM for ten or more years and ask them what it is. I just did. Apart from being grumbled at for calling so early (8AM) the definition he gave (40 year Lifestyle veteran) is the one that matches what I presented in my past post and what is presented on Wikipedia. While I'm sure you've read a book somewhere that refers to it in the way you reference, it is not the common meaning. As for what the OP meant.. he'll have to let us know.

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RE: predicament bondage - 8/31/2007 9:46:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't interpret e01n's post as role play.  I read it as if I want to put him into a predicament and he likes to try to escape I better do my damn homework to make sure it really is a predicament.

I once had an issue like that with a guy who claimed he loved predicament but then claimed he could escape from anything and would pretend to be bound even though he could easily escape.  

I gave his ass predicament....he couldn't have escaped with scissors. 

If I am going to set up predicament...damn straight the setting will be key to the whole of it.  (the Saw reference rocks so wish I owned a warehouse)

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RE: predicament bondage - 8/31/2007 11:00:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is purely a matter of taste and trust, but I've always used choices to help get subs over phobias...things that can be "fixed" by becomign accustomized to them, I'm not fool enough to jump in over my head with this stuff so please don't write letters...

but with 'simple' (bad term I know) fears, like say of cats, binding the sub and then letting it be known there is a cat in the house (or yard...or neighborhood ..just depends on how much they can take, then gradually (over the course of months somtimes, it just dpeends situation to situatiaon) decreasing the cat is away from the sub.  never start close, let them work through the anxiety, you push somebody from zero to full on flght or flight, and you'll do real harm..adn probably break your toys.

my one claim to fame with this is I knew a young man who'se family was demanding he take a certain road in his life but he had fear of dogs, (I don't know the term and am too lazy to look it up just now) after six months he was enrolled at vet's school and I know he graduated  so there is something to the thearpy when done well (and things get lucky)

toywise, slanted boards are your friend, where you can oil the board and have the sub kneel on the baord, trying to stay off of the low end where something waits they won't like over the logn term...I've always used a "whipping machine" (just a low speed drill with lightweight floggers on it) that if they permit themselves to slide down to the low end the machine will be in range of them

a friend designed a balgag and buttplug restraint, I'd never used it because I won't get near choking gear but if the sub took out the ballgag to breath more comfortably the (rather large unlubbed) buttplug would be inserted and vice versa.

--just opinions folks, your milage may vary.

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RE: predicament bondage - 9/18/2007 8:04:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		.....put the slave on a wooden horse, hands bound behind, on tip-toes, nipples clamped and pulled above tight, balls bound and positioned on horse triangle, rice or sharp pebbles under the toes, apply some itch or heat ointment and sit back and enjoy his predicament for an hour or so....(being sure to relieve and reattach nipple clamps periodically.

......hogtie the sub and place on a hardwood floor for an extended period--- this is classic predicament as after some time any position is uncomfort/agonizing.

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RE: predicament bondage - 9/18/2007 9:03:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems this thread needs some more responses that don't involve a wooden horse and/or suspension equipment (because many of us don't have those.)

The way I understand predicament bondage is that the sub is forced to choose between two or more different types of pain, and/or balancing between them. A simple example would be to put the sub on his knees, wearing a cock harness tethered to a low point (on furniture or below a door) and wearing nipple clamps tethered to a high point. To alleviate the pull on his nipples, the sub will want to raise himself up, which will increase the downward pull on his cock. To alleviate the pull on his cock, the sub would have to increase the pull on his nipples. Regardless, his uncomfortable kneeling position will begin to take its toll on his knees and thigh muscles, and any adjustment he makes in his position to alleviate that discomfort will affect his nipples and/or cock. There are infinite variations on this type of thing, regardless of the gender of the sub.

I would probably look for situations that require simple clamps, harnesses, and/or tethers if you don't have a lot of bondage equipment or furniture. Even if you don't have clamps, you can attach a string between two clothespins to allow for pulling on them in whatever direction.

A very simple one we have done is to tether nipple or pussy clamps tightly to my collar, with me restrained on my back. To relieve the pressure on my neck from holding my head up, I need to pull my head back, which pulls on the clamps, and vice versa. Simple, yet effective.

Add a vibrator on the clit and voila', you have some really interesting sexual torture. It's even harder to pay attention to and appropriately adjust one's predicament when one is being sexually stimulated. I'm not sure what the equivalent stimulation would be for a man, though.

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RE: predicament bondage - 9/18/2007 10:50:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		My sir is kinda into hair bondage...and he does one where Im on my belly with my arms tied behind my back, then he takes my hair and ties it to my ankles which are lifted up behind me.....in order to relax my legs I have to pull pretty hard on my hair and thus my neck, if I want to rest my neck it pulls my legs pretty hard back to keep from pulling the hair....he normally makes it a hell of a lot harder my spanking the bejeezus out of my legs and ass.....what makes it all the harder for me is the instant someone starts to spank me my first insinct is to bury my face...and to not be allowed to lower my head is a real torture to me....so I think sometimes, things that are the most torture can depend on the specific person being tied...what is emotionally uncomfortable to one person may not be to another.

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