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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 5:46:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: labrat18610

For me, RRafe is closest to real life. A slave is to be used to make a Master's life more pleasant. That means performing menial tasks without a constant pat on the back. Slavery is grunt work.
This agreed Master/slave relationship is between two human beings. It doesn't make one a god and the other a mindless robot. It does make one a slave to the other. The Master has only so much authority as the slave is willing to give. It's an intimate, real relationship.
When I read some of the slave posts, they reek of pure fantasy. They are searching for some god like figure that no human being could possibly be.
In real life, you're spending hours doing menial tasks for a guy who farts in bed, but he's your Master.

labrat I must thank you. For almost 18 years, I have wondered why I have chosen to never apply the slave title to myself. Your post has helped me figure it out.

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A slave is to be used to make a Master's life more pleasant. That means performing menial tasks without a constant pat on the back. Slavery is grunt work.

   I never feel used to make his life more pleasant.   I do bring pleasure to his life as he brings pleasure to mine.   Although I am only submissive, I perform menial tasks on a daily basis, without a pat on the back.   Everyone does.   I do dishes, I clean my home, I get up, go to work and do meaningless chores all day without a thank you each time I complete something.   Maybe because I am submissive, I expect this, because it's life; the life of a submissive, the life of a single mother, the life of a housewife, the life of a banker, a president, a little kid doing chores after school, it's also the life of a Dominant.
       Slavery is grunt work.   This soooo makes me pleased that I am not a slave.   I would hate to think that the lifestyle I have chosen, and chosen because I get pleasure from it is nothing more than grunt work.   I am so pleased that my life as a submissive is so much more fullfilling than simply doing menial tasks for a guy who farts in bed.
     When I read your definition of what is the real life of a slave, I sort of wonder why anyone would choose to be a slave.   I can actually get a story line going for this definition.
Saturday morning, Master orders his slave to get her cunt off the pallet by the bed and climb in next to him.   She obeys quickly.   He farts, (Master's and real men always fart it is a rule) then he pulls the covers over her head and makes her smell it.   Then she must begin her chores for the day.   She must suck his cock.   He's a real Master so his cock has a funky smell because he did not feel like taking a bath the night before but that is okay because he is a real Master and sometimes a real Master does not taste so good.   He cums in her mouth and it tastes like shit because he smokes and had 15 beers the night before over his poker game, but she is not allowed to spit it out.   She is a slave and real Master's always have nasty tasting cum because they are not perfect.
     After sex her first chore of the day is laundry.   She spends two hours squirting oxy-clean on the skid marks in Master's underware.    He has never perfected the art of wiping his ass properly but that's okay.   He is human and has flaws.   All day long he sits on the couch watching a ball game, sitting with his hands down his pants like Al Bundy, playing with his balls and occasionally bringing his hand up to his face so he can smell them.   Once in a while, he'll dig a bugger out of his nose and wipe it on the arm of the couch.   The slave runs back and forth every time he bellows.    She brings beer, sandwiches, chex party mix, and changes the channel with the remote that sits next to him.    She has not peed all day, the sweat is running down her back in rivers, she has not brushed her hair or teeth in three weeks, her armpits reek because she needs a bath and her hair is greasy, but that's okay because she is a slave and this is her life.   Her life is grunt work and menial tasks.   Maybe he will pass out from all of the beer and she can sneak in a quick shower, but NO WAIT, that would be disobeying the Master.   Oh well, her next chore is scrubbing the bath tub, she will just cover herself with scrubbing bubbles.   If she cleans the toliet with her feet that will get the grime off.
        I can no longer expand.   I shivered.   Is this the true reality of what a slave and Master relationship is all about?   As I look around my home and think about my life, I know it is all not real.   He has NEVER EVER EVER farted in bed. I keep slapping myself.   I keep telling myself to come out of it.   Nope, I am still here in front of my computer.   I am not performing grunt work.   Ahhh, duh, squeakers, you are not a slave!

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 8:05:08 AM

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When I look at someone (not just dominants) I judge not on whether or not they make mistakes, but how they react when they do make a mistake.

Alittle off topic.... but this phrase generate the following thoughts that are somewhat related to the OP.

The measure of a person's character is not always when things are going right or perfectly. But often times when they are wrong.

It is the introspective look into what I have done that allows me to consider what went wrong or is going wrong. It is these times that I gain the greatest insights on what I as a person that I need to work on. Secondly, my two girls and even close friends are huge contribution to gaining this awareness of what I need to work on as part of my own self growth.

When dealing with some that has this rose coloured glass out look.. I find it highly disturbing. They in effect are of little use for me to become a better person until the glasses can be broken.

I don't think there is any magic formula on how to break these glasses. Each situation is going to require different approaches. Unfortuanately, sometimes breaking the glasses will actually destroy the relationship or potential of a relationship. There does seem to be a drive by some submissives to look upon their Dominant/Master as perfect and understanding the motivations behind this belief is rather important. If one can understand the motivation, one maybe able to change the belief by affecting the motivations themselves. I meet one girl that was like this. She was actually a previous girl. It was only until it was much too late that I realized that she has these rose colored glasses on. In fact, I broke the glasses and didn't know that I did until after the fact. In the end, her motivation was very much rooted in her own deep seed negative view of self. So deeply rooted.. she looked externally to balance this view point of self. By projecting a perfection towards me she lifed herself up as well. When I made a mistake and took responsibility for it. The effect upon her was rather confusing at the time. She had extreme difficulty dealing with the mistake.. but more so.. she would soon afterwards go into a pity party (as I called it at the time) of herself. It was with hindsight, that I realize my mistake and taking responsibility for it actually underminded her own self-esteem. She needed me to be perfect for her own self-esteem. It was a fragile belief that was doomed...

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 8:12:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: PeggyO

When I look at someone (not just dominants) I judge not on whether or not they make mistakes, but how they react when they do make a mistake.

Alittle off topic.... but this phrase generate the following thoughts that are somewhat related to the OP.

The measure of a person's character is not always when things are going right or perfectly. But often times when they are wrong.

It is the introspective look into what I have done that allows me to consider what went wrong or is going wrong. It is these times that I gain the greatest insights on what I as a person that I need to work on. Secondly, my two girls and even close friends are huge contribution to gaining this awareness of what I need to work on as part of my own self growth.

When dealing with some that has this rose coloured glass out look.. I find it highly disturbing. They in effect are of little use for me to become a better person until the glasses can be broken.

I don't think there is any magic formula on how to break these glasses. Each situation is going to require different approaches. Unfortuanately, sometimes breaking the glasses will actually destroy the relationship or potential of a relationship. There does seem to be a drive by some submissives to look upon their Dominant/Master as perfect and understanding the motivations behind this belief is rather important. If one can understand the motivation, one maybe able to change the belief by affecting the motivations themselves. I meet one girl that was like this. She was actually a previous girl. It was only until it was much too late that I realized that she has these rose colored glasses on. In fact, I broke the glasses and didn't know that I did until after the fact. In the end, her motivation was very much rooted in her own deep seed negative view of self. So deeply rooted.. she looked externally to balance this view point of self. By projecting a perfection towards me she lifed herself up as well. When I made a mistake and took responsibility for it. The effect upon her was rather confusing at the time. She had extreme difficulty dealing with the mistake.. but more so.. she would soon afterwards go into a pity party (as I called it at the time) of herself. It was with hindsight, that I realize my mistake and taking responsibility for it actually underminded her own self-esteem. She needed me to be perfect for her own self-esteem. It was a fragile belief that was doomed...

I think you really nailed it Knight.

I've seen the low self esteem pattern too-how to be better? Be a part of something better. It's easier than doing your own internal work. Gods I hate lazy people.......

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 8:50:00 AM

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I don't need that pressure from someone who's there to help make life easier for me

Yes! That makes perfect sense to me. To have a sub or slave who expects you to be perfect would seem to me to be a real pain in the ass. As you said, I'm here to make life easier for Him and to bring Him pleasure. Expecting Him to be perfect would not be pleasurable to Him at all, believe me. I understand He's human, I accept it and I love Him all the more not in spite of that but because of it. As you say, Donna, who needs the pressure of having to live up to unattainable expectations from their sub or slave? Those expectations are just as unreasonable as the unreachable ones many doms hold for their subs/slaves. Such pressure can flow both ways and, to us, is just as unacceptable either way...........luci

absolutly, luci.

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 9:07:45 AM

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I would feel terribly sorry for anyone putting me on a pedestal... it would shatter their little brain so when I started doing the cute dance, or one of my many, many little quirky things that can't help but remind that I'm human. Anyone who swears a blue streak when stubbing their toe the way I do has no business being anywhere but firmly on the ground.

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 9:12:28 AM

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Further proof that you shouldn't be on a false pedestal:

You forgot to mention why I'm not allowed to give all pronouns referring to you a capital letter!

(Which is that he isn't a god so written text referring to him shouldn't be written in godhead)

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 9:43:00 AM

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Thank you for everyone’s replies. I tried to word it for not the people who imagine it after spending years on the Internet then think about trying real life but sincere people making a sincere effort to go real life but somehow have pushed the life and a dominant to a higher level of human behavior.

It is nice to see that these people are not just dismissed out of hand.

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 10:44:12 AM

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I would feel terribly sorry for anyone putting me on a pedestal... it would shatter their little brain so when I started doing the cute dance, or one of my many, many little quirky things that can't help but remind that I'm human. Anyone who swears a blue streak when stubbing their toe the way I do has no business being anywhere but firmly on the ground.

See, if I were getting to know you, none of that would take you off a pedestal. I would find that endearing, charming and human.

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 11:17:24 AM

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Aye... try as I might, I just can't shake that pesky human condition.

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 3:31:35 PM

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Aye... try as I might, I just can't shake that pesky human condition.

But, I thought you were a God! How dare you not meet my unrealistic expectations!!! ;)

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 5:41:06 PM

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For me - the measure of a person truely is how they react in a crisis - it is easy to be 'perfect' when all is right with the world. Also a person needs to be able to hold their hand up and say 'i messed up' - but also follow that with 'but here's what I am going to do'. Being able to apologise for doing wrong or hurting someone also helps. No-one is perfect - there is no person better or worse than I am - it is our flaws that make us truely human.

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RE: being put on a false pedestal - 9/1/2007 9:27:46 PM

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Aye... try as I might, I just can't shake that pesky human condition.

But, I thought you were a God! How dare you not meet my unrealistic expectations!!! ;)