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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/2/2007 8:23:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting question. I wouldn't have thought it possible, but there does seem to be some anecdotal evidence that perhaps there is a genetic predisposition of some kind. What seems more likely to me is that it's a general attitude of open mindedness and an adventurous spirit that might be the connecting thread. Kinky parents probably encourage their childrens non-conformity and nonconventional thinking ,and maybe have a more open attitude about sex than other parents. My parents are not kinky but my mother was pretty unconventional. I have no idea if my kids (grown, not UMs) have any inclination toward kinkyness, but I think both of them have elements to their personalities that they would be willing to experiment with new things and new ideas.

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/2/2007 9:10:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		It has always been my own personal belief (and often vocalized) that kink is genetic.  My great grandmother was a one legged prostitute (you cant make this stuff up people!) and my parents were swingers.  I knew about my parents' "parties" for a while; however, my two younger sisters did not.  One of my sisters dabbles in the kink lifestyle while the other is a natural born Domme who has not picked up the whip yet.

Just the other week, my UM said the oddest thing.  It is a quote he has picked up from somewhere, but the context in which he used it really struck me.  He said, "Pain is a good thing, it lets you know you are alive".  He was speaking about punishments at that time.  Who knows, only time will tell if he has inhereted the "kink gene".

My Papa is another prime example.  His daughter has started to show an interest in the lifestyle as she moves into the "getting to know yourself" stage of young adulthood.  She comes complete with her own PG-13 rated toy rack. *grins* The apple didnt fall far from his tree.

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 2:57:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout
I wouldn't have thought it possible, but there does seem to be some anecdotal evidence that perhaps there is a genetic predisposition of some kind.

Well, introversion and extroversion are thought to have genetic components..
http://www.innerexplorations.com/psytext/rt.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperament

With that in mind, it is not hard to imagine that other of our behavioural characteristics might also have a genetic basis.

Consider this.. in dogs, temperament traits are part of breed descriptions.

Akita http://www.akc.org/breeds/akita/index.cfm
Temperament
Alert and responsive, dignified and courageous. Aggressive toward other dogs.

Norwich Terrier http://www.akc.org/breeds/norwich_terrier/index.cfm
Temperament
Gay, fearless, loyal and affectionate. Adaptable and sporting, they make ideal companions.

Maltese Terrier http://www.akc.org/breeds/maltese/index.cfm
Temperament
For all his diminutive size, the Maltese seems to be without fear. His trust and affectionate responsiveness are very appealing. He is among the gentlest mannered of all little dogs, yet he is lively and playful as well as vigorous

If an Akita is raised with a bunch of Norwich Terriers it will still usually act like an Akita. Genetics is a large factor in who we are.

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 10:57:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps for some it is a learned response.  For me, however, i am sure the basis of my submissiveness -- in any personal female/male relationship -- is genetic.  i use the term "wired from birth".  From my earliest recollection, my reaction of any use or demonstration of power by a woman has been profound (and deeply pleasing).

i am happy that i was born that way!

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 11:12:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I don't know if my parents had any kinky inclinations, but in our culture and when my parents were growing up (heck, even now), sex is not something you would talk about openly. No hints that I picked up growing up, but how do you really know? Any conclusions I make would be suspect.

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 11:18:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd say it's certainly possible.  My older UM started binding barbies at the age of two and constantly begged me to for toy handcuffs.  At age 8, (as I listened to them playing), she gave her sibling a list of commands.  She also had my umbrella.  She directed, "When I tap it X times, you have to do this, X times means that" ... a set of about six commands.  She started tapping and he started trying to keep count and obey.  A couple of years later, in a restaurant, she started a game with "pretend I'm the master and I control you ..." and in that same year, begged for a red pleather outfit for school.

She's still a bossy little snit and no, she has and had no clue of my personal interest and was not exposed in any way.

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 11:35:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		One of the first real girls we had attend our Muir Academy [a school for adult boys girls and special girls] nearly 20 years ago was called Mary. She was in her early 70s and had just discovered the scene with her boyfriend of a similar age. She had a big family at a young age, and her children had married early and had big families, so she had a veritable tribe of sons, daughters, etc. down to a 4th or maybe 5th generation, nearly 100 in all.

This subject came up, so she sketched the family tree of her descendants, (they were all still close-knit and in touch), and put a tick against any she thought likely to be 'sub' if exposed to the scene and a cross against any she thought would be Dom. She actually had no idea whether any of them were active or not, but she had confided in one or two what she was doing and they had been supportive - and those ones were ticked.

She was a pretty shrewd judge of character too, very clever, though not highly educated, from her evaluations of people we know, so though she may have been wrong on one or two, I would expect her to be pretty accurate.

The interesting thing to me was that she ticked more than she put a cross against, by 2 or 3 to one; which correlates with my observations of numbers at scene clubs where submissives outnumber Doms by that kind of ratio, both amongst women and men.

So my working hypothesis is that some or all of the genes that determine Dominance may be recessive in a genetic sense. And that some of the genes that lead to Dominance may be recessive in a genertic sense. There is a kind of logic to that too, in that we are pack animals, like most apes and monkeys, etc.and in evolutionary terms it would make sense for there to be only enough potential leaders in any group to ensure there is one who'll take charge - too many leaders and not enough followers is not a good survival trait.

I would love to see that explored in an academic way ...

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 4:04:35 PM   
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One of the first real girls we had attend our Muir Academy [a school for adult boys girls and special girls] nearly 20 years ago was called Mary. She was in her early 70s and had just discovered the scene with her boyfriend of a similar age. She had a big family at a young age, and her children had married early and had big families, so she had a veritable tribe of sons, daughters, etc. down to a 4th or maybe 5th generation, nearly 100 in all.

This subject came up, so she sketched the family tree of her descendants, (they were all still close-knit and in touch), and put a tick against any she thought likely to be 'sub' if exposed to the scene and a cross against any she thought would be Dom. She actually had no idea whether any of them were active or not, but she had confided in one or two what she was doing and they had been supportive - and those ones were ticked.

She was a pretty shrewd judge of character too, very clever, though not highly educated, from her evaluations of people we know, so though she may have been wrong on one or two, I would expect her to be pretty accurate.

The interesting thing to me was that she ticked more than she put a cross against, by 2 or 3 to one; which correlates with my observations of numbers at scene clubs where submissives outnumber Doms by that kind of ratio, both amongst women and men.

So my working hypothesis is that some or all of the genes that determine Dominance may be recessive in a genetic sense. And that some of the genes that lead to Dominance may be recessive in a genertic sense. There is a kind of logic to that too, in that we are pack animals, like most apes and monkeys, etc.and in evolutionary terms it would make sense for there to be only enough potential leaders in any group to ensure there is one who'll take charge - too many leaders and not enough followers is not a good survival trait.

I would love to see that explored in an academic way ...

that is a very profound observation...so true about keeping the balance

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 5:38:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a question that i have wondered about for many years. Rightly or wrongly i have come to the conclusion that kink IS genetic though it needs environmental factors to be shaped and brought to the fore. i have been "wired" for kink for as long as i can remember and my first recognition and awareness came from a Superman comic of all places. i remember my Mothers fascination with a trashy paperback series called Mandingo and i always wondered. i do think that both factors need to be present but it is only an opinion on my part and an uniformed one at that though i would love to see some definitive proof one way or another.

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 6:01:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sometimes I wonder if it is indeed inherited.  I recently found out that one of my brothers is into bondage and my other brother is with a woman who apparently enjoys being spanked hard (not sure if he's into it himself though).  My sister also once told me about a man she once dated who had a collection of paddles.  She said it freaked her out to see that...lol.  Even though two of my siblings don't appear to be into it, I wonder if the fact they seem to be romantically attracted to those who are means anything

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 6:10:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, so my first post...

I read in a book in the college library, no I don't remember the author or the title but I read:

That there are a number of different basic human sexual personality types and among those was a type of person that required significantly more stimulation than the others.  This type basically required pretty intense mental stimuli, coupled with a pleathora of physical stimuli in order to become functionally aroused.  I know for a fact that I am in that group so my theory on all this is that it is both.  That is to say that to be kinky to the extent that most of us are, we have to be of the sexual personality type where "normal" sex is ok, but the kinky stuff is what we thrive/really enjoy and need to be fulfilled in our lives.  Now just being of the type that needs all the extra stimuli isn't what gets us here, what gets us here is a more open mind to alternative sexual practices plus a more carnal mentality towards sex and I believe some kind of exposure to some kink type concept or imagery that just speaks to us very loudly.
I personally don't really know what gave me such a powerful urge to spank my gf on her 15th birthday, but I sure as hell know how unbelievably turned on by it I was and how much sex we had later that night when we escaped from the house for a few hours.  I also know that my sexuality was devloped enough that  I had such a desire to have my gf wear Lingerie for me from about the time I was 16 onwards, or why I loved tying them up and tormenting them as much as I did.
I honestly believe that some of it is inherited, and then the enviroment we grow up in and our own experiences either encourage that part of oursleves or discourage it.


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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 6:11:37 PM   
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I think it really depends on what that kink is really.

I really have a hard time buying that a fetish for leather is something passed down threw our genes.
maybe a fetish for leather isn't passed through the genes,but certainly if Mom or Dad were into leather and smelled of leather sometimes, simply the smell may be 'a  familiar comfortable' smell...and you would be more at ease around others wearing leather....[not exactly June Cleaver and the smell of fresh cookies..but hey it works]


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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 8:36:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Without going into a nature vs nurture argument, I can at least say, that if it is at all an inherited trait, I'm pretty sure I know where I got it.

Though, as always, I personally think its any number of a combination of factors. As someone mentioned, growing up in a rather open environment, etc.

All I know is that a student had made a charicature style sketch of my father (psych prof) looking over lab notes while fending off a lab rat in leather, gartered stockings and a bull whip. It was clearly tongue-in-cheek, but even silly sketches have some relevence.

Kink is something that was never discussed, though most of the people on my father's side of the family are rather flamboyant. I also know that dad had cross dressed in formative years (dance contests, he says the woman's role was more challenging...). Though details are something we never discussed, given that psych background especially, rather open discussions from a kind of behavioural context have always been the norm. As I've gotten older we've had rudimentary discussions over coffee about fetishes (usually something seen in the media). *shrug*

I've always had a rather "welcoming" environment in regards to less than mainstream lifestyles and choices. I was encouraged to have my pink mohawk as a teenager (though the closer to adulthood I came, the less "acceptable" it was to dad), he didn't bat an eye when I said I would hanging out with drag queens for the evening, though no one in my immediate, nuclear family is homosexual (lesbian cousin, gay "uncle", quotes because it's half bro's uncle actually), it's never been a bone of contention at all, for which I think I am rather fortunate.

That's an argument for both nature and nurture I guess. :)



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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 8:48:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have done a lot of  research on stuff called genetic memory i think it is possible. i do not think it is a gene more like passed feelings or urges  

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/3/2007 9:01:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kink genetic?

The general explanation for kink has always been that there's something in the water.

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/4/2007 3:18:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Kink genetic?

The general explanation for kink has always been that there's something in the water.
so that explains everything...my beverage of choice is bottled water...wonder which brand  would bring out the animal instincts best...Deer Park???Dasani??Aquafina??

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/24/2007 9:41:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have met a decent amount of people over the years in chat rooms, I cannot say in real life though, that are parent and child.  So, is it possible that it is hereditary? 

My mother saw fit to enter MY bedroom, in MY apartment and noticed hooks in the ceiling over my bed.  She turned to me, and not for the first time, told me "You are just like your father."  Now I do remember my father being a true  pervert.  I remember his friends and girlfriends when I was very young, the porn he thought he hid and was found by all us kids, but me taking it upon myself to masturbate to it at the age of 5.  *thinks*  Well, that could have been for another reason.  Anyway, I digress.  So is it hereditary, or is it just a result of our surroundings?  Whether parents realize it or not, children know more than they want to believe.  I always did.

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/24/2007 10:21:08 AM   
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I go back and forth as to if it's genetic or not.  I know my kinky-ness was accepted more than I thought it would be ha!

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/24/2007 11:34:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fairly sure its at least hardwired to some degree.  I started having fantasies at 6 and still do.    I distinctly recall finding a bag of VHS cassetttes hidden in my parents closet on a day I skipped school sometime in my sophomore year that were flat-out BDSM, no if's or buts.  That's been my one and only confirmation that either my father or mother definitely kinky, even if I've seen no sign of it since.

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RE: Could KINK be genetic??? - 9/24/2007 2:01:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		My mother never once spoke of the lifestyle to me -- in fact when she "came out" to me when I was a teenager I was just like "...okay, do you want a cookie or something?"

It would be interesting if there was a "kink" gene somewhere in those twisty strands of deoxyribonucleicacidic goodness, for sure!

But more likely it has to do with the fact that my mother and I follow(ed) the same subculture, are both artistic and free-thinking types, and are both Catholic.

(Those of you wondering what the last part has to do with anything clearly never went to Catholic school.)


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