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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/4/2007 8:24:57 PM

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Ok the other day at work, I polled a ton of ppl, black, white, Jews, Christians Arabic, rich and poor and they all said the same thing… If they had nothing to hide, they would have no problem showing their receipt or ID…

Somewhere, the Founding Fathers are weeping.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/4/2007 9:21:59 PM

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Ok the other day at work, I polled a ton of ppl, black, white, Jews, Christians Arabic, rich and poor and they all said the same thing… If they had nothing to hide, they would have no problem showing their receipt or ID…

Sheep.

So if someone isn't in complete lockstep with YOUR interpretation, then they are considered sheep. They're either with you or against you. One day maybe you'll learn about the concept of looking for individual worth instead of stamping a label on everyone.

Besides the fact that you seem to be 100% on the side of the Circuit City victim, without asking for any proof from a neutral source, you take his interpretation and his interpretation ONLY as the complete truth, devoid of any bias, any half truth, or any omission.

Good job, sheep.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/4/2007 10:06:07 PM

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"Your Papers, PLEASE"

This bothers you not?

[of course, the "PLEASE" part is mere courtesy, NOT to be mistaken for a po-lite request]

GUILTY! [of all manner of unannounced 'n random stuff] UNTIL PROVED INNOCENT!

The New Improved ...what?

[Damn! Who knew that Joe Average needed
! continual Personal Cam Records 'to prove whatever vs random accusation'
! to save Every Receipt / Whatever Paper Trail, even unto
! Use Of gas station -or other- Toidy Key,
! further UNKNOWN etc !!!!! ]

Ah, but it's all FOR THE CHILDREN

...or something

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/4/2007 10:14:20 PM

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I know what I aspire to be, do you?

Good points, BossyShoeBitch.

I have posted elsewhere what I aspire to be, and am.

I was once asked why I kept picking up trash while hiking with my kids. I pointed out that I did not want to look at it next year when I visited there.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/4/2007 10:23:41 PM

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Ok the other day at work, I polled a ton of ppl, black, white, Jews, Christians Arabic, rich and poor and they all said the same thing… If they had nothing to hide, they would have no problem showing their receipt or ID…

Dubious Indeed.

SO, you asked both their ethnic/beliefs/economic situation
... and then this circumstantial question?

AND THEY NOT ONLY TOOK NO OFFENSE, BUT ANSWERED YA???

OR, mayhaps ya SURMISED/PRESUMED their ethnic etc et al...
...and SOMEHOW they ALL were just SO Into The Co-Operatin' bit?

Ya does love that "Nothing To Hide" bottom line, doesn't ya, kittin?

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/4/2007 10:51:55 PM

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Besides the fact that you seem to be 100% on the side of the Circuit City victim, without asking for any proof from a neutral source, you take his interpretation and his interpretation ONLY as the complete truth, devoid of any bias, any half truth, or any omission.

Um, right now it just makes a good hypothetical for discussion. Nothing more.

I take the story as given, but I absolutely allow I don't have all of the facts. In case you hadn't noticed, almost all of my comments are mainly about the abstract legal theory aspects. I don't care about the guy in the story at all.

And while I haven't any real concern about what you do with your life, I do dislike people that just routinely cave to bald assertions of authority whatever the source.

Civil liberties are something we have to actively defend or they disappear.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/4/2007 11:12:06 PM

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Besides the fact that you seem to be 100% on the side of the Circuit City victim, without asking for any proof from a neutral source, you take his interpretation and his interpretation ONLY as the complete truth, devoid of any bias, any half truth, or any omission.

Um, right now it just makes a good hypothetical for discussion. Nothing more.

I take the story as given, but I absolutely allow I don't have all of the facts. In case you hadn't noticed, almost all of my comments are mainly about the abstract legal theory aspects. I don't care about the guy in the story at all.

And while I haven't any real concern about what you do with your life, I do dislike people that just routinely cave to bald assertions of authority whatever the source.

Civil liberties are something we have to actively defend or they disappear.

True, a majority of your comments are about the legal side of things. The rest of your comments are bold, sweeping labels you place on people that, for whatever reason, disagree with what you think. Never mind WHY they may think how they think. No, that's not important! The fact that they at all disagree with your particular viewpoint is reason enough to label them as sheep! Again, they're either with you or against you. Why they may be against you doesn't matter.

So you're looking at the situation as given. And what I'm saying is that what if there were aspects of the story left out that make the resulting actions of Circuit City and the policeman proper?

For all we know, he DID steal something, yet decided to omit that little detail.

We're debating a situation without knowing the complete and full truthful details. I refuse to accept this story "as is" as the complete and full truth, because I have been given no definitive proof that it is indeed true.

And I agree, civil liberties do need to be fought for and protected. I do not believe that this situation is a case of civil liberties. Oh my god, I must be a sheep!!! Oh no!!! That's the answer! I am nothing more than a sheep! Blast it!

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/5/2007 4:03:23 AM

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So you're looking at the situation as given. And what I'm saying is that what if there were aspects of the story left out that make the resulting actions of Circuit City and the policeman proper?

Yeah, I'm not coming up with any reasons as to why a policeman should ignore both his own state's statutes and/or a person's Constitutional rights.

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For all we know, he DID steal something, yet decided to omit that little detail.

Doesn't matter, see above.

But I do find it telling that you think it makes a difference in terms of whether a citizen has rights or not. I take this as proof that you think there is some category of persons the members of which don't deserve to have their civil liberties protected.

Care to explain?

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We're debating a situation without knowing the complete and full truthful details. I refuse to accept this story "as is" as the complete and full truth, because I have been given no definitive proof that it is indeed true.

Okay. So you are unwilling or unable to discuss something as a hypothetical? Strange...

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And I agree, civil liberties do need to be fought for and protected.

I don't believe you.

You seem exactly the kind of person that co-signs shit like the Patriot Act. I mean, what do you care about a little inconvenience as long as your shopping experiences remains a positive one? What does it matter if policemen routinely violate various citizens' rights as long as it doesn't effect you, right?

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/5/2007 9:56:55 AM

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Ok the other day at work, I polled a ton of ppl, black, white, Jews, Christians Arabic, rich and poor and they all said the same thing… If they had nothing to hide, they would have no problem showing their receipt or ID…

Sheep.

So if someone isn't in complete lockstep with YOUR interpretation, then they are considered sheep. They're either with you or against you. One day maybe you'll learn about the concept of looking for individual worth instead of stamping a label on everyone.

Besides the fact that you seem to be 100% on the side of the Circuit City victim, without asking for any proof from a neutral source, you take his interpretation and his interpretation ONLY as the complete truth, devoid of any bias, any half truth, or any omission.

Good job, sheep.

1) FACT: The VICTIM was not breaking the law. Circuit City Employees have NO EVIDENCE of him committing any unlawful act.

End of story.

There was NO CRIME. Further, There were no clearly articulable facts, providing "Probable Cause", that the VICTIM was shoplifting.

P.C. is ***REQUIRED*** to enjoy protections from liability afforded by "Shopkeeper's Privilege". That's why they spend money on surveillance gear. To provide **EVIDENCE**.

Circuit City done fucked up.

This is why Circuit City carries an insurance policy providing coverage for the expenses of their fuckup.

It's all over but the Court Decision and Judgment.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/5/2007 9:59:55 AM

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For all we know, he DID steal something, yet decided to omit that little detail.

From the lack of an arrest for Shoplifting, we ***KNOW*** that he did ***NOT*** steal anything.

From the lack of any ***EVIDENCE*** proving that this person PROBABLY CAUSED the supposed offense, than it's clear that there is no Evidence.

End of Story.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/5/2007 12:50:54 PM

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End of Story.

I would drive down to the police station and personally file criminal charges against each and every
employee who prevented me from leaving. Would keep copies of their pictures (taken with my cell
phone) as well.

A civil action against the company is wonderful, the problem here is bigger than this.

That person, even wearing a store's badge, is not empowered by the state to detain me. What
if I tried to leave and they hit me? Knocked me down? What level are they going to take their
grandiose power trip to?

I had a store owner threaten to take me out behind his store with his two sons and "work out our differences"
over his failure to provide the contracted service I hired him for. Drove to the police station, filed a report, let
those legally empowered to maintain order investigate it. Then I filed a copy of the police report with the local better business bureau. Then I forgot all about it and let those responsible take care of it.

I would probably also file a complaint against the police officers, but would leave that to my attorney.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/5/2007 4:53:33 PM

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Bingo.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/5/2007 6:23:16 PM

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This guy is an idiot. He wasted everyone's time just to prove he is an idiot who just MUST take a stand.
Why not take a stand on a societal ill, rather than proving to everyone that "I'm not doing it and you're not gonna make me. neener neener neener."

Fucking dick...

BossyShoeBitch:
From now on every time you bring your fine ass into my store I am going to frisk you on the way out just to make sure you haven't been doing any shop lifting...yeah hon we are talking cavity search here
thompson

Nothing wrong with that.. *grins* But you will probably have to go through SimplyMichael to get to me. Unless of course you respectfully ask his permission, in which case he'll probably be only to happy to help you access my "cavities"...

BossyShoeBitch:
Mikey and me have been buds since before he changed names and avitars...no doubt in my mind he would film it and sell tickets. Are you familiar with the term "air tight"
thompson

Yes, I do believe I am familiar with the term. Hmmm.. Thompson...? Funny how your name hasn't seemed to come up one single time in our many, many hours of conversation? I assume you are also familiar with the term "passing acquaintance"?

By the way, I believe He would be the first to tell you... The name is not Mikey or even Mike, it's Michael.

BossyshoeBitch:
There is no reason that my name should have come up in your conversations with Mikey....Mikey likes bitches not men. Mikey much prefers Mikey to Crappy. I would not presume to tell you how to address him and I would hope that you would accord me the same courtesy
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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/5/2007 6:32:13 PM

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So you're looking at the situation as given. And what I'm saying is that what if there were aspects of the story left out that make the resulting actions of Circuit City and the policeman proper?

Yeah, I'm not coming up with any reasons as to why a policeman should ignore both his own state's statutes and/or a person's Constitutional rights.

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ORIGINAL: lazarus1983
For all we know, he DID steal something, yet decided to omit that little detail.

Doesn't matter, see above.

But I do find it telling that you think it makes a difference in terms of whether a citizen has rights or not. I take this as proof that you think there is some category of persons the members of which don't deserve to have their civil liberties protected.

Care to explain?

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ORIGINAL: lazarus1983
We're debating a situation without knowing the complete and full truthful details. I refuse to accept this story "as is" as the complete and full truth, because I have been given no definitive proof that it is indeed true.

Okay. So you are unwilling or unable to discuss something as a hypothetical? Strange...

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And I agree, civil liberties do need to be fought for and protected.

I don't believe you.

You seem exactly the kind of person that co-signs shit like the Patriot Act. I mean, what do you care about a little inconvenience as long as your shopping experiences remains a positive one? What does it matter if policemen routinely violate various citizens' rights as long as it doesn't effect you, right?

Again, I have to ask if this story is completely true. Perhaps the "victim" did something that caused the arrest, that he decided to omit. And I can look at this story from a hypothetical standpoint, and say that I'm still not convinced that we have all the details.

Explain what, exactly? That your assumption is wrong? Okay. You're wrong, I don't believe that there is a class of people that should have less civil liberties than I have. At best, I believe that convicted criminals should have their liberties restricted. Whew, that was a toughie.

But, I'm sure since you've already got me labeled, it doesn't matter how I care to explain myself. Everything I say will be filtered through the label you've placed on me.

And that's perfectly fine that you don't believe me. I really don't give a shit about your opinions pertaining to me. The fact that some guy, living somewhere, believes that I don't think civil liberties should be protected, doesn't really bother me. I probably won't lose too much sleep over it.

So I seem "Exactly" like the kind of person. And you base this judgment onnnn...what exactly? From my arguments in this one particular debate? Or maybe from my picture? Or did you scroll through my profile, look at my interests, and nod your head, "Yep, this guy is definitely into wiretapping."

Rats, I guess I fit into the profile you've made for Patriot Act-supporters. Go profiling!

And for the record, I've already stated that I'm against the Patriot Act. Scroll back through a couple pages.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/5/2007 10:09:09 PM

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You are wasting your breath, I suspect. Some people don't need no steenkin' facts.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/6/2007 12:41:34 AM

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The whole point is simple. If you do not wish to be bothered by receipt checkers at the door, you are under no obligation to comply with their requests to show them anything. Thye can ask all they wish but as said, you have no obligation to show them anything. The ONLY reason I think a door checker would need to look at a receipt is if someone is waltzing out the door with something large, like a bicycle or a microwave that is too big for bags. This is a question as to what authority a door checker has over the consumer/customer. That answer is they have no authority to check anything. They are counting on a customers good will to comply with the request and it goes no further legally. Does a store have a right to protect themselves from thieves? Definitely, but in some cases an employee oversteps the boundaries and makes their company look like fools. Besides a door checker should not be getting into confrontations for their own saftey risks. That possible thief might be carrying a weapon and decide to shoot if pressed too far.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/6/2007 2:09:14 AM

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Alumbrado, your nonsense was defeated a full page ago. There's no point going on and trying to argue anything with someone like yourself - someone with such an excellent legal "edumacation." There are at least two posts worth of material that pointedly contradict things you have stated here, and do so using your own authorities. But since you have difficulty reading English, I guess we'll never agree on what those cases actually do or do not hold.

lazarus1983, I have to admit I only skimmed your post. You're not saying anything even remotely interesting.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/6/2007 3:52:54 AM

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Alumbrado, your nonsense was defeated a full page ago. There's no point going on and trying to argue anything with someone like yourself - someone with such an excellent legal "edumacation." There are at least two posts worth of material that pointedly contradict things you have stated here, and do so using your own authorities. But since you have difficulty reading English, I guess we'll never agree on what those cases actually do or do not hold.

lazarus1983, I have to admit I only skimmed your post. You're not saying anything even remotely interesting.

Haha, then why ask questions if you're only going to glaze over them? What is the point of being on a message board, if you're not going to read what's posted? Just skim them, and post only to let the other person know you DIDN'T read what they wrote? So basically your point was to make sure that I know that you don't consider my post worth investing the time to read it?

And now you're needlessly lashing out and insulting Cuckme4life? Ah well, I guess he must just be another sheep. Although I do find it funny that you take the time to read what he wrote, and then take an entire paragraph devoted to criticizing him, and yet you won't even look at my replies to YOUR questions.

Why bother to post at all? Out of spite? Some vain attempt to appear superior by attacking others? Making up for something?

Ah hell, why am I even trying? You'll just skim over everything, and then write all about how you didn't read it because it's not even remotely interesting.

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/6/2007 5:27:44 AM

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Yes, exactly. You're right.

Whut...?

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RE: NEVER stop and show a receipt on the way out... - 9/6/2007 6:40:14 AM

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So some people don't need no steeenking facts, OR to read what was actually said.

Easier for them to 'skim over' what was said, attribute positions that were never taken to other people, fake quotes to prop up the strawmen, make blanket assertions and sweeping generalizations, then quibble over minutiae and semantics, make up their own definitions and resort to logical fallacies in order to win a pointless debate...
Even if their 'win' disagrees with reality, they can declare victory without explaining their own points or the blatant contradictions in their own claims when questioned on them.

It a game they cannot lose, no wonder they spend so much time here playing it.

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