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Marc2b -> RE: Edwards wants to force you to see a doctor (9/13/2007 1:55:27 PM)

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You are the one talking about universal cell phone coverage. Neither Synergy nor I have suggested it.


You’re nit-picking. Be it as it may, I believe it was Philosophy who first used the term and it continued on from there. Nobody made a snit about it before now. If we are not talking about universal Cellular coverage, what were we talking about?  Sinergy was upset that he couldn’t service in certain areas and wanted government regulation to solve the problem. I’m pretty sure he didn’t mean "solve my problem and just mine."

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The reason that citizens seek for the government to stand up for them against the corporation that has broken its contract is because that is governments job...It is why we hire them.


Yes, but it is the courts job, not the legislatures.

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That would be exactly what you are doing by taking Synergy's position about lack of coverage in Los Angeles county and trying to make it a universal coverage question.


I’ve already answered that but I will add that it was really a pro or anti-government regulation question.

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So it would appear that you consider historical facts less important than your opinion.


Who’s historical facts? Yours?

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Synergy works in Los Angeles county,one of the most densely populated areas in the U.S. Just because you wish to imply that that means universal coverage does not make it so.


This is a dead horse. It is an attempt at deflection... from what though, I’m not really sure.

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The corporations do it all the time. If you read the last paragraph of most contracts it will most often state that the company retains the right to change any and all aspects of the contract pretty much at will. If you do not like it you are free to terminate your service.


Sounds fair to me. Business has to remain flexible (another argument against excessive regulation) in order to keep up with changing market conditions. If you don’t like the contract in the first place, you don’t have to sign it.

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I do not know why. I have stated that position on numerous occasions.
Perhaps it is your ideological filter that keeps you from believing what I say. Why don't you go back over my post and see if you can find someplace where I say otherwise.


Back in the "Republican Morality" thread, you accused the uber rich of sloth. You know, I never did get an answer to my question – what dollar amount divides the uber rich from the rich. All that aside it seems clear that you have a prejudice against wealthy people. Prejudice is prejudice and it is simply wrong.

Unless it is against socialists because there all dumb asses anyway.

Now that was humor, with an ironic and self deprecating twist. Don’t get your long johns bunched up between your butt cheeks over it (to use a little Hick lingo).

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My post does not imply bigotry. It simply ask the question "do you believe that all poor people live in trailer parks and speak with a drawl?"


And why would you ask such a question (other than for purposes of deflection)? If I had said yes, what would your response have been?

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What does being a "hick" have to do with being poor?


Being poor is one of the defining characteristics of being a Hick. Not all poor people are Hicks but all Hicks are poor. Have you ever seen a Hick driving a BMW? I should note that by poor I do not mean destitute and starving. Another important characteristic of Hicks is that they are rural (there are city slickers but there are no city hickers). Hicks grow – and shoot – much of their own food.

One clarification is needed though. I really shouldn’t say I am half Hick but rather was raised half Hick. Growing up, I spent my summers in Cuba, surrounded by Hicks and playing with Hick children – jumping in the hay loft, skinny dippin’ in the ponds, catching craw-daddies and salamanders in the creeks, and definitely picking up some of the jargon and a bit of the accent.

Did you know that there really is such a thing as opossum pie?

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Perhaps you might want to label it as such next time.


It would seem so.




luckydog1 -> RE: Edwards wants to force you to see a doctor (9/13/2007 3:08:58 PM)

Thinking about the cell phones a little more, they could increase coverage and have fewer dropped/bad calls, by increasing the amount of power the transmitters and phones put out.  Of course these radiations have been linked(not definitavley) to cancer.  So should they be forced to put more microwaes through us?  To have better coverage.  Going back to the car saftey issue.  We could make cars 100% safe for pedestrians.  Make them out of styrofoam and only able to ge a top speed of 5 mph.  Should we?  Or should people look both ways carefully before stepping into the street?  There is always a cost associated with the Gov doing something.  The Europeons make the decision that a certain number of pededstrian injuries is ok.  So do the Americans.  There is allways a trade off.




thompsonx -> RE: Edwards wants to force you to see a doctor (9/13/2007 9:17:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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You are the one talking about universal cell phone coverage. Neither Synergy nor I have suggested it.


You’re nit-picking. Be it as it may, I believe it was Philosophy who first used the term and it continued on from there. Nobody made a snit about it before now. If we are not talking about universal Cellular coverage, what were we talking about?  Sinergy was upset that he couldn’t service in certain areas and wanted government regulation to solve the problem. I’m pretty sure he didn’t mean "solve my problem and just mine."
If you are responding to philosophy's post then you should respond to philosophy's post.
When you respond to my post you should respond to what I post...that would seem to be the logical course of action.

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The reason that citizens seek for the government to stand up for them against the corporation that has broken its contract is because that is governments job...It is why we hire them.


Yes, but it is the courts job, not the legislatures.
So the citizen with limited time and financial resources should gird his/her loins and do battle with a corportation...so much for the level playing field you so often seek.
How about the government just pull the license from corporations who fail to live up to their contractual obligations for a monopoly?  Further the government might also revoke the corporate charter and expose the board of directors of the corporation to personal liability.


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That would be exactly what you are doing by taking Synergy's position about lack of coverage in Los Angeles county and trying to make it a universal coverage question.


I’ve already answered that but I will add that it was really a pro or anti-government regulation question.
As I have stated previously it is a question of a corporation that holds a government sanctioned monopoly being held accountable for its failure to fulfill the contract.  Surely you are not against being responsible for your actions or lack there of?
This is not a contract between the corporation and the client I am talking about but the contract between the corporation and the government.  "You get a monopoly to do this business if you do xyz...failure to do xyz gets you sanctions from the sanctioning body"

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So it would appear that you consider historical facts less important than your opinion.


Who’s historical facts? Yours?
Historical facts belong to no one...that is why they are called "historical facts" not my opinion.


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Synergy works in Los Angeles county,one of the most densely populated areas in the U.S. Just because you wish to imply that that means universal coverage does not make it so.


This is a dead horse. It is an attempt at deflection... from what though, I’m not really sure.

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The corporations do it all the time. If you read the last paragraph of most contracts it will most often state that the company retains the right to change any and all aspects of the contract pretty much at will. If you do not like it you are free to terminate your service.


Sounds fair to me. Business has to remain flexible (another argument against excessive regulation) in order to keep up with changing market conditions. If you don’t like the contract in the first place, you don’t have to sign it.
Since we are talking about government sanctioned monopolies that makes your statement more than a bit silly.



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I do not know why. I have stated that position on numerous occasions.
Perhaps it is your ideological filter that keeps you from believing what I say. Why don't you go back over my post and see if you can find someplace where I say otherwise.


Back in the "Republican Morality" thread, you accused the uber rich of sloth. You know, I never did get an answer to my question – what dollar amount divides the uber rich from the rich. All that aside it seems clear that you have a prejudice against wealthy people. Prejudice is prejudice and it is simply wrong.
It would appear that your ideological filter is working overtime.
I have said time and time again that my bitch is with those who use their wealth to create an uneven playing field and/or to avoid paying their taxes.


Unless it is against socialists because there all dumb asses anyway.

Now that was humor, with an ironic and self deprecating twist. Don’t get your long johns bunched up between your butt cheeks over it (to use a little Hick lingo).

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My post does not imply bigotry. It simply ask the question "do you believe that all poor people live in trailer parks and speak with a drawl?"


And why would you ask such a question (other than for purposes of deflection)? If I had said yes, what would your response have been?
A simple yes or no and you would have found out.  Instead you dance the two step.

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What does being a "hick" have to do with being poor?


Being poor is one of the defining characteristics of being a Hick. Not all poor people are Hicks but all Hicks are poor. Have you ever seen a Hick driving a BMW? I should note that by poor I do not mean destitute and starving. Another important characteristic of Hicks is that they are rural (there are city slickers but there are no city hickers)  

Hicks grow – and shoot – much of their own food.
Well by this definition I guess I too am a hick.  Webster defines hick as an awkward,unsophisticated person.  Not necessarily someone who lives in a rural environment nor one who is poor.
Perhaps one of the reasons we disagree is that we may not share the same vocabulary.


One clarification is needed though. I really shouldn’t say I am half Hick but rather was raised half Hick. Growing up, I spent my summers in Cuba, surrounded by Hicks and playing with Hick children – jumping in the hay loft, skinny dippin’ in the ponds, catching craw-daddies and salamanders in the creeks, and definitely picking up some of the jargon and a bit of the accent.
I am curious as to how you managed to travel to Cuba during your childhood.


Did you know that there really is such a thing as opossum pie?
Yes I do...but I have never had it rather I have always had it cooked as you would rabbit or chicken.  The old tough ones either stewed or baked and the young tender ones fried or bar-b-que.

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Perhaps you might want to label it as such next time.


It would seem so.




Marc2b -> RE: Edwards wants to force you to see a doctor (9/15/2007 5:24:30 PM)

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If you are responding to philosophy's post then you should respond to philosophy's post.
When you respond to my post you should respond to what I post...that would seem to be the logical course of action.


You may see the boards as some sort of ultra-structured debate but I don’t. I see them as more akin to a bunch of people sitting around the campfire, shooting the shit. A sort of slow motion conservation. Like any conversation the topic tends to wander through a stream of related topics. Just look at what happened to this thread, it started as a question about socialized healthcare and evolved (or devolved, depending on one’s point of view) into another Marc2b/Thompsonx (I flipped a coin, I won) snit fit.

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So the citizen with limited time and financial resources should gird his/her loins and do battle with a corportation...so much for the level playing field you so often seek.


I’m the one who said there’s no such thing as a level playing field, remember? That aside the right to sue someone in court is not the right to win. Besides, in this litigious age one doesn’t have to go far to find a lawyer willing to cash in.

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How about the government just pull the license from corporations who fail to live up to their contractual obligations for a monopoly? Further the government might also revoke the corporate charter and expose the board of directors of the corporation to personal liability.

As I have stated previously it is a question of a corporation that holds a government sanctioned monopoly being held accountable for its failure to fulfill the contract. Surely you are not against being responsible for your actions or lack there of?
This is not a contract between the corporation and the client I am talking about but the contract between the corporation and the government. "You get a monopoly to do this business if you do xyz...failure to do xyz gets you sanctions from the sanctioning body"


What monopoly are you talking about? The government may have a monopoly over who gets to use the airwaves but the cell phone companies themselves are hardly monopolies. They still have to compete with each other for customers. The government isn’t giving them a monopoly at all. If the government attaches certain condition to having permission to use certain frequencies and a company fails to live up to them government would be within it’s rights to pull that permission. The question still remains though as to what conditions they should impose and why.

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Historical facts belong to no one...that is why they are called "historical facts" not my opinion.


But which are the facts and which are the opinions. Some people consider it a fact that NASA faked the moon landing, other’s (myself included) consider it a fact that the Moon landings were real.

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Since we are talking about government sanctioned monopolies that makes your statement more than a bit silly.


Again, I ask you, what government sanctioned monopolies are we talking about?

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It would appear that your ideological filter is working overtime.
I have said time and time again that my bitch is with those who use their wealth to create an uneven playing field and/or to avoid paying their taxes.


And who are slothy. Is that a word, slothy? Well, if it isn’t I’m claiming credit for coining it.

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A simple yes or no and you would have found out. Instead you dance the two step.


Okay then, for the sake of argument – yes, I do believe that all poor people live in trailer parks and speak with a drawl.

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Well by this definition I guess I too am a hick. Webster defines hick as an awkward,unsophisticated person. Not necessarily someone who lives in a rural environment nor one who is poor.
Perhaps one of the reasons we disagree is that we may not share the same vocabulary.


A socialist Hick would be an oxymoron. Also, a Hick would have no use for what your fancy book learning says about him or her.

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I am curious as to how you managed to travel to Cuba during your childhood.


We took the car. It’s only about ninety miles.

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Yes I do...but I have never had it rather I have always had it cooked as you would rabbit or chicken. The old tough ones either stewed or baked and the young tender ones fried or bar-b-que.


I always thought it tasted like a weird cross between chicken and rabbit.




Marc2b -> RE: Edwards wants to force you to see a doctor (9/16/2007 8:47:54 PM)

It's Shakespeare time.  See ya on flip side.

In the meantime, peace and prosperity to you and yours.





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