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breatheasone -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/4/2007 4:32:30 PM)

I consider myself a masochist, and i hope my pain tolerance increases.




nyrisa -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/4/2007 7:34:31 PM)

I have always had a pretty high tolerance to pain; meaning that I was not the sort to cry over stubbed toes, or put up a fuss about getting shots, etc, when I was growing up.

As an adult, I began to realize that I enjoyed pain during sex. Still later, I discovered that I enjoyed pain during BDSM play. All along, my tolerance and enjoyment of pain was increasing, until I began to think I was pretty tough.

Then, I had a run of health things happen that caused me to have surgery several times over the time span of a year. I still handled the pain well, was pretty stoic about it all, but I found that after everything was healed, my tolerance for pain during play was pretty near zero. All of the exposure to "non-fun" pain had interefered with my ability to perceive pain as good in the right circumstances. Happily, though, after about 6 months of normal health, my appreciation for "fun pain" began to blossom again.

I think that many things influence our pain thresholds, and it is possible to reset them, and begin the building process again. So, if the amount of pain you crave builds to a level you have concerns about, I would think it is possible that taking a break, or switching to a different mode of infliction, might bring pleasure at lower levels. (hope any of this made sense)

Ummm......edited to add: None of this applies to the dentist. I am a total wuss in the dentist chair, no matter how much I can tolerate when tied to a frame. *L*




NControlofU -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/4/2007 8:21:44 PM)

Varying type, intensity, duration, and frequency of pain stimulus keeps my masochist slave from becoming desensitized to it.  Thats my tecnique.  I enjoy seeing her squirm and squeal without me having to break a sweat to make it happen.




ChainedExistence -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/4/2007 9:10:51 PM)

I find that I differ in my views on pain thresholds from many. It's not so much that I believe you build up a tolerance for pain and need increasingly higher levels to achieve the same results. Instead, I believe you might be learning more effective ways of managing the pain. To illustrate- The first few times I ever played,  I would tense up and react wildly to every little thing. (yes, I am a high strung and emotional girl). Contrast that to the present time,- I've learned the value of slow breathing and focusing on letting my mind and body ride on the waves of the pain instead of fighting against it. I've learned to link patterned sound to various kinds of calming imagery. I've observed that a little body contact with my Dom , (like leaning my head against his thigh when he's caning me), helps to steady me when the pain is pushing me into near panic. Plus, I'd have to say, he's learned things about me , too...when to push harder, when to push less and yet still keep me on an edge, or how to let me drift off to space.  Am I doing more than I used to? Yes, but not because I don't feel things at a lower level, I still do, but I am better able to process it. 

As for progressing to the point where I would get truly hurt...I don't worry about that. One, I trust my Master's own internal limits of knowing when it's time to stop. Two, there are just activities that Master and I aren't willing to engage in- using meat hooks through my back to suspend me  from a helicopter,  for example. Yes, I know some people do that...but it's not on our "need to do one day" list, Finally, I trust myself enough to know that even if I am drifting off to la la land, I still would be able to communicate my problem in a way my Dom can recognize.

There are surely going to be things Master suggests that I think MIGHT be too much for me,  but I am willing to push those things a little to see if it's really just irrational fear/disgust/social taboos/etc that are preventing me from doing them, or if they really have to be off the table. So far, I can't say that he's ever suggested anything that we needed to outright ban from our play. ( Some things I might PREFER to do less,  though I don't get to make that call! ).

My final point- there are literally limitless lateral moves one can make without upping the ante, so to speak...different types of pain, different locations on the body, different sensations. Just hitting someone harder doesn't have to be the only way to show growth. I'd liken that to a carpenter learning to drive nails into a piece of lumber. At some point, he is going to hit hard enough to put the nail in the board in an efficient, accurate way nearly every time. So, is swinging the hammer harder each time a goal worth pursuing?  I'd think he'd find it more interesting to see if he can hammer over his head, cut a board straight, or or use a nail gun. Likewise, a Dom can do many things that aren't simply about "more pain" and  keep the dynamic right on track.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting to move toward taking more pain, but it's not the be all, end all.




Prinsexx -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/4/2007 9:55:45 PM)

Pain is like a drug.........
best way to get sensitivity back is to withdraw from it for a while and the start over....addictive though and yes dependency and tolerance are issues




Bishonenjim -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/5/2007 12:47:13 AM)

In the long term, I haven't really noticed a direct increase, but I assume it's there.  I have a great inate pain tolerance that goes well with my masochism so I think it leaves making a distinction hard.  In the period of one scene, I've noticed when starting out slow and going ever harsher my tolerance can approach infinity.




eyesopened -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/5/2007 2:28:57 AM)

i'm not a masochist at all, i have never experienced sub-space.  i've taken some fairly hard strapping, heavy bondage, clamps, clips and i've never felt endorphins at all.  i suspect it would have to be some damaging pain to get to endorphin level but not willing to be damaged just for a high but i do find myself craving a flogging or other implements.  When i feel safe, i can just relax into the pain and i find i can accept much more than i could years ago.




HurtU -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/5/2007 3:28:18 AM)

Quite the contrary ... "subspace" or the endorphin high does not require damaging pain at all.  Heck ... the newbie sub I played for the 1st time last week got into subspace with a very mild escalating flogging (from very light to moderately heavy) ... and I was limited by how hard I flogged her by the concerns of making too much noise for folks in the hotel room next door at midnight (either from the noise of the strokes ... or her squealing).  When I was done, she had a mildly reddened back & butt ... nothing that lasted til the AM ... and she had been in subspace for 1/2 of the time.  IMO, it's all in the technique of the Dom in laying it on in a graduated manner, so that the sub can cozy into it at the low end, and then gradually take more & more w/o squicking.  It's unusual when I don't get a sub into subspace ... and these days it's w/ newbies or in situations where I can't lay it on hard enough for a heavy sub.  You just need to stop playing w/ wannabes!  Any Dom who starts off as hard as he can ... doesn't know what he's doing ... or you've gotten yourself a sadist who is doing his thing ... and doesn't give a damn about you.


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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
i'm not a masochist at all, i have never experienced sub-space.  i've taken some fairly hard strapping, heavy bondage, clamps, clips and i've never felt endorphins at all.  i suspect it would have to be some damaging pain to get to endorphin level but not willing to be damaged just for a high but i do find myself craving a flogging or other implements.  When i feel safe, i can just relax into the pain and i find i can accept much more than i could years ago.




eyesopened -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/6/2007 2:30:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HurtU

Quite the contrary ... "subspace" or the endorphin high does not require damaging pain at all.  Heck ... the newbie sub I played for the 1st time last week got into subspace with a very mild escalating flogging (from very light to moderately heavy) ... and I was limited by how hard I flogged her by the concerns of making too much noise for folks in the hotel room next door at midnight (either from the noise of the strokes ... or her squealing).  When I was done, she had a mildly reddened back & butt ... nothing that lasted til the AM ... and she had been in subspace for 1/2 of the time.  IMO, it's all in the technique of the Dom in laying it on in a graduated manner, so that the sub can cozy into it at the low end, and then gradually take more & more w/o squicking.  It's unusual when I don't get a sub into subspace ... and these days it's w/ newbies or in situations where I can't lay it on hard enough for a heavy sub.  You just need to stop playing w/ wannabes!  Any Dom who starts off as hard as he can ... doesn't know what he's doing ... or you've gotten yourself a sadist who is doing his thing ... and doesn't give a damn about you.


quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened
i'm not a masochist at all, i have never experienced sub-space.  i've taken some fairly hard strapping, heavy bondage, clamps, clips and i've never felt endorphins at all.  i suspect it would have to be some damaging pain to get to endorphin level but not willing to be damaged just for a high but i do find myself craving a flogging or other implements.  When i feel safe, i can just relax into the pain and i find i can accept much more than i could years ago.



i'm sorry.  i have also experienced pain at many different levels with many very qualified individuals and i have never experienced sub space or endorphins.  i must be flawed or not "real" or something.  i must have something terribly wrong with me to have never experienced subspace.  Please do not assume every Dom i've been with is a wannabe because You do not know the people i've been with.  i am just saying my body does not react the way everyone else's does.  It reminds me of the hundreds of people who tell me if i don't like venison it's because i've never had it cooked right.  Is it possible that i just don't like deer meat?  Is it possible that my body does not produce endorphins in reaction to pain and that in order to produce endorphins i would have to exprience such a level of pain that it simply would not be safe to do so?




RRafe -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/6/2007 6:25:52 AM)

Endorphins are like any drug-the body develops tolerance. The solution is to take periodic breaks.




Aileen68 -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/6/2007 6:29:16 AM)

I rarely achieve subspace also.  It isn't an indicator of a good sub or a good dom.

Thanks for all of the great posts here everyone.  I'm most certainly not at any level where I'm worried about increasing pain levels to the extreme.  I was just wondering how others deal with  that situation.




RRafe -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/6/2007 6:30:43 AM)

There are other ways to achieve altered head space-you just have to find partners with the patience to take you to yours.

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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

I rarely achieve subspace also.  It isn't an indicator of a good sub or a good dom.

Thanks for all of the great posts here everyone.  I'm most certainly not at any level where I'm worried about increasing pain levels to the extreme.  I was just wondering how others deal with  that situation.




Aileen68 -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/6/2007 6:36:32 AM)

I'm not too worried.  Subspace has never been a goal for me.  It's been a nice bonus the few times it's happened.




LeatherBentOne -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/6/2007 6:55:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: softness

I hate pain ..my health means it is part of everyday for me ... i can certainly cope with pain far better because of constant exposure to it .. when i was younger main used to really get inside my head and freak me out - the biggest step was learning to box it off inside my head and toss the key away without the help of medication - though this means that pain based play doesn't ring the bells for me and fails to get the reactions desired by my partner ... luckily there are a millions wasy to be pleasing without being in pain


Ive been in moderate to severe pain for about 40 years now, but I found out (during the time I subbed for 4-5 years) that my severe pain diminished during play because of the chemical release.  Now, I will self-inflict pain for the very same reason . . . relief from the "bad" pain when it becomes intolerable.




lonlyrossInNeed -> RE: Pain Thresholds (9/6/2007 1:23:03 PM)

Not so much that i have to experience more and more but at times i kind how do i put this get amuned to things of surten play and i worrie that i will not be effected by some things that i love so much and that help me in ways now




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