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orfunboi -> RE: cost of 24-7? (9/4/2007 4:39:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Okay lets hear it from your "favorite" (and that could mean you hate me too) boi. I work. I work just about as many hrs as I can find. I'm also looking at another job. Yes 2 jobs for a boi who does 95% of the chores (cooking, cleaning, household secretary, bill paying and arrangements, pet care, and so on) and you better believe if the only thing I get out of it is my time with Her I'm gonna well get it. If I only sleep 10 hrs out of a week then it's by choice to make Her life easier by taking care of things. That's why I'm here. Anybody who told you that slaves don't work...fulltime or otherwise is stupid. And I don't care if you like me or not for saying it. You are a hard working boi, there is no doubt, but you get beat well for it, and you love every minute...errrr mark...errrr, well you know what i mean. :::Big hugs:::

petdave -> RE: cost of 24-7? (9/4/2007 5:21:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn You know, upkeep of a live-in slave might not be that much, but I tend to float towards the "I want to work a regular job" idea, mainly because a 24/7 rarely involves working 24/7, so there's a lot of downtime, and personally, I'd like to keep myself occupied and useful, not bored and transient. A couple of times I've been 24/7 in the past have both involved circumstances where I didn't work (it was summer during university break) and when I did work. What I discovered was that when I was there all the time without work, I sometimes felt like I wasn't all that useful all the time (I like to be needed and doing something useful). See, i'm not inclined to just sit on the couch and watch TV either... but i find that work completely drains me of any energy that i might have. By the time i get home, i'm too stressed and exhausted to do much of anything. i think i'd be a much better submissive if i didn't have to work full-time. As far as being bored, or atrophying mentally... i've got 150+ things on my "to-do" list at the moment, a shelf full of books and folders full of bookmarks on things i want to learn... All of which i never seem to get around to because i never have time or energy. i can barely keep up with the housework looks around Okay, "barely keep up" is generous.[&o] i think the ideal is that the Dominant have a job that they actually enjoy, that pays enough that the submissive is not a perceptable financial burden... Yeah, i know, tell it to Santa Claus [8D]

HelenaTroy -> RE: cost of 24-7? (9/4/2007 5:35:19 PM)
Don't forget that men make 34 cents on the dollar more than women. That's before taxes. So a woman has to work one and a third times harder to support herself and a man -- as a man does to support himself and a woman. Sure, men have been supporting women for eons. However, a man gets societal points for having an attractive woman under his wing, whereas a woman gets no points and both parties are looked down upon to a certain degree by society. "Why are you supporting that loser? Why does he let a woman support him? Does he have any pride?" Things like that. I'm not saying I agree, but it is something that exists. I've had to support an unemployed man before. It's a chore. Even when they do cook dinner and clean up, you start to resent their drain on your energy and your finances. Personally, I'd have been happier alone, cooking and cleaning by myself, without him. So boys, you may be submissive, but that doesn't make you any less of a man in my eyes, and I expect you to act like a man. In my book, that means having your stuff together enough to be able to support yourself.

undergroundsea -> RE: cost of 24-7? (9/4/2007 8:03:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HelenaTroy So a woman has to work one and a third times harder to support herself and a man -- as a man does to support himself and a woman. Yes, but a woman has to buy one third the amount of shoes for her man. Plus, with men you have all these other savings. He will drink milk from the carton so you will save tons just on water and dishwashing detergent by not having to wash glasses. Plus, women are always using costly resources to heat up left overs that are just as good cold. And I won't even begin to compare the electricity consumption of a play station against that of a curling iron. Cheers, Sea

Evanesce -> RE: cost of 24-7? (9/4/2007 8:57:20 PM)
quote: See, i'm not inclined to just sit on the couch and watch TV either... but i find that work completely drains me of any energy that i might have. By the time i get home, i'm too stressed and exhausted to do much of anything. i think i'd be a much better submissive if i didn't have to work full-time. As far as being bored, or atrophying mentally... i've got 150+ things on my "to-do" list at the moment, a shelf full of books and folders full of bookmarks on things i want to learn... All of which i never seem to get around to because i never have time or energy. i can barely keep up with the housework looks around Okay, "barely keep up" is generous.[&o] I feel your pain, petdave, because I'm in that boat right with you, and I only work part time! I've been devoting the majority of my spare time to my jewelry business, however, in hopes that it will eventually replace the part-time job, and the housework does suffer for it. Before I moved in with Him, the Kaptin and I had some of the most horrendous arguments over the fact that He did NOT want me to work outside the home, while I was unwilling to give up the security of earning my own keep. Now, however, He supports me 100%. He allowed me to go back to work so that I could pay my personal bills and put a little in savings, but He pays for my insurance and all the household expenses, including groceries, and gives me $100 every two weeks to cover groceries and gasoline while He is on the road. Any slave that might be added to our household in the future would be required to provide their own insurance and pay their own bills, because we simply cannot afford to do so. I don't think that's unreasonable.

HelenaTroy -> RE: cost of 24-7? (9/4/2007 10:45:40 PM)
You're right, Sea! And women also are constantly buying new lingerie that is overpriced, whereas men usually wear the same underwear until they fall apart from years of use. So that is another savings!

undergroundsea -> RE: cost of 24-7? (9/5/2007 5:46:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HelenaTroy You're right, Sea! And women also are constantly buying new lingerie that is overpriced, whereas men usually wear the same underwear until they fall apart from years of use. So that is another savings! Absolutely! I still wear underwear from high school! I mean, it hurts my waist but hey. I think this tendency of men goes to clearly show that they are genetically wired for commitment and that they will stay around even when times are tough. I mean, what else can it be? Now I am not suggesting that women should change any of what they do. I think the shoes and the lingerie serve a greater purpose. They are essential for the yin and the yang, as well for the yin yang yong in the BDSM symbol. If women stopped this behavior, it would upset the balance in the world and we would be thrown amidst chaos. Roosters would begin to cry in the middle of the night, as would men. Heating leftovers or using a glass to drink milk, however, does not matter as much for maintaining nature's homeostasis. I am glad to see dommes of today are beginning to see the wealth of wisdom found in subs! Cheers, Sea

cbtok -> RE: cost of 24-7? (9/5/2007 10:40:39 AM)
I'm not sure there is any such thing as 24/7. If I'm off at work, Mistress should not be minding my every move unless she is my supervisor at work. Now it may be useful for her to have me in a chastity device while at work but that's not the same thing. I am a big fan of 24/7 for limited periods, like a weekend, a day, a vacation where control is the aim and pushing limits or introducing new types of play are the overall goals. And that works very well when one goes to the BDSM conventions and conferences. But while managing a home and going to and from work, that's not really 24/7 in my opinion. If the idea is cohabiting—either as a poly family member or as a couple, then let me either be the sole breadwinner or let me be a partner in the household earnings. If Mistress wants to regulate finances or guide me in their regulation, I'm all for it. But when you are getting into this area of designing a household, you need to be very careful about protecting that household. I know of a couple who was together for a long-term commitment. He was older and dominant. She is a switch (at least if not an outright domme presently) and submitted to him. They were together at least ten years and he owned a co-op. They did have a "broom-jumping" ceremony but were not married by either a clergyman nor a J.O.P. And NY does not recognize "common law marriage." He died. She was left with no insurance and her living arrangement was threatened. I believe his family gave her one year in her former home before they required that she vacate. All of his estate went to his family. I do understand that he did not intend to die and that he did not think he would die but he did fail to provide for her after he did. I'm not sure how a Polyamorous family ought to provide for a potential death but I do know how couples can. Anyone can get life insurance and name a "fiancee," be that a fiction or real, as a beneficiary. While there is a tax on any life insurance policy for a non-spouse, that policy can be very useful to ameliorate the sudden loss of an income and, if necessary, purchase outright any property that is held by the multiple (or single) income(s). I think that Poly families ought to create some kind of LLC or corporation for insurance or some kind of legal fiction that would make it possible to co-insure. Now, I don't sell insurance, so please don't come to me about this. I'm also not a lawyer or financial adviser. But for anything long-term, one ought to plan and I offer the object lesson above as an extreme example of a woman essentially turned out of what she had long considered her home and her asset.

free2agoodhome -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 7:38:36 AM)
why is that called a sugardaddy..is that not the same as a'wife' ?

LadyPact -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 9:09:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: free2agoodhome why is that called a sugardaddy..is that not the same as a'wife' ? As I'm sure you already know, that statement is completely offensive.

MistressDolly -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 9:20:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: free2agoodhome I have come across a few dominants who say they can't 'afford' a fultime slave unless the slaves brings in $, and holds a 40 hr/week job. This puzzles me, since for one, when a slave holds a 40hr/week job there is not much time to do other things At the same time when a slave performs duties these duties dont need to be contracted with strangers, like a cleaning lady ($30 - $40/hr) , personal chef ($40/hr), handy man/plumber/electrician/painter ($40 - $75/hr), Yard maintenance ($25/hr), Doing laundry / dishes etc. so when a slave serves fulltime does the slave not save $ .......where is my logic going wrong? Or do these dominants just want a slave who besides doing all the work also acts as an atm? Um...."dah"

LadyLynx -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 9:21:56 AM)
actually I have heard of some guys calling their wives and girlfriends "sugarmama's"

MIstrezzTanya -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 4:30:00 PM)
who needs 24/7 when you can find submissives to work for you around the clock? I think the slave is overestimating their value and importance. In THIS age.. it doesnt take 24 hours to complete daily household tasks.... I do dream of a castle and submissives working around the clock while my royal family's money supports My desires... however.. THAT is a dream. I honestly have NO interest in dealing with ANYONE or ANYTHING 24 hours a day. 7 days a week. I will say this. I like gifts If you have no money I get no gifts I am then not happy if I'm not happy.. do u think ANYONE will be? lol

SweetDommes -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 4:43:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: free2agoodhome why is that called a sugardaddy..is that not the same as a'wife' ? As I'm sure you already know, that statement is completely offensive. Oh, cut him some slack ... he's still practicing to be the perfect troll. I mean, really - claiming to be a slave while being that freakin offensive, 2 posts a month apart for the sole purpose of stirring up shit, "logic" that is so flawed it's laughable ... give him time to improve his trolling methods. [8\|]

thetammyjo -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 4:52:37 PM)
Ack, I all ready responded to this thread. I hate when an older thread comes up and looks new and I jump in again and basically say the same bloody thing. quote: ORIGINAL: free2agoodhome I have come across a few dominants who say they can't 'afford' a fultime slave unless the slaves brings in $, and holds a 40 hr/week job. This puzzles me, since for one, when a slave holds a 40hr/week job there is not much time to do other things At the same time when a slave performs duties these duties dont need to be contracted with strangers, like a cleaning lady ($30 - $40/hr) , personal chef ($40/hr), handy man/plumber/electrician/painter ($40 - $75/hr), Yard maintenance ($25/hr), Doing laundry / dishes etc. so when a slave serves fulltime does the slave not save $ .......where is my logic going wrong? Or do these dominants just want a slave who besides doing all the work also acts as an atm? Why do all these questions involve the assumption that we would pay for the above services? My slave does what I tell him to do to relieve me of some of the mundane matters in my life that I myself would do otherwise. I would not pay for the services listed. His job helps cover additional costs that another adult will add to a household. His job though is at my discretion and it is never an excuse to not his duties at home.

hisannabelle -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 5:03:53 PM)
greetings freetoagoodhome, not all slaves serve domestically, and expecting both partners to work full time (assuming one of them is not in school or otherwise has other obligations or is disabled, etc.) is not at all out of the realm of the reasonable, in my opinion. i currently work nearly full time (part of which is unpaid design work i do for Him), as well as attending school more than full time, and by the time we move in together i will be in graduate school and working, and eventually teaching and researching, which will consume most of my time. in my opinion, d/s is no different from any other relationship in that aspect. unless the slave is expected to only serve domestically and to do ALL domestic work (and not all slaves are - i am not, for example, because He enjoys doing it), i don't even think one can make a case at all for it being unreasonable. and even then, there are many relationships where that is the case and it works out just fine (i, for example, would not mind taking on more domestic chores...my health just makes it difficult and He finds the work relaxing and prefers to do it anyway). another issue involved is the fact that working outside the home keeps up marketable skills for the s-type; if the relationship ever breaks down, the s-type will not have to worry about employment gaps and/or losing their skills and place in their career due to having spent ten years out of work, or anything like that. i know there are perfectly good relationships where the slave does NOT work and where it works out just fine, and financial independence if the relationship breaks down is not always a problem, but it is something to keep in mind as a perk of keeping the job. also, if you LIKE your job, i can't see how you could be happy wanting to stay home...me, for example, i love what i study and i will eventually love my career...it's not something i'd just give up unless He wanted it, because if i were independently wealthy, i'd be doing it anyway (except without the part time jobs while in school and massive amount of student loan debt and such). so while i'd be willing to give it up for Him...i am very happy to keep my future plans in the work area. respectfully, annabelle.

AFlyInYourWeb -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 5:42:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: free2agoodhome Or do these dominants just want a slave who besides doing all the work also acts as an atm? Stepping away from the 24/7 fantasy aspect for a moment, look around you. Most households in the US are two-income households. It's almost as common as vanilla! I also think it benefits the sub. Back in the day, I knew more than one housewife who felt "trapped" and went stir-crazy for lack of outside contact and socialization. Perhaps that is part of your fantasy, but it's not for everybody....

PsyVamp -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 5:50:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthycouple I don't contract out services so a slave coming in and doing my dishes is not saving me a dime. For me...I don't care how many hours you work, so long as you ensure your bills are always paid, you have a retirement fund, insurances necessary, and contribute to the household that is now YOURS too. It isn't about an ATM it is about contribution to your own home financially just like you would do if you lived alone or with a roommate or whatever. What makes you think you should live in someone else's home without some financial contribution? You use water, gas, electric, phone, internet, cable, garbage, sewer services (and you come with a bill or two of your own I bet) and are a fully functioning adult. If you didn't want to contribute then you are selfish in my mind. I don't expect my slave to do every bit of housework either since there are (in theory) three adults here, all who hold jobs, probably full time, and all contribute in various ways. I hate laundry...you do the laundry. I typically take responsibility for the kitchen as I enjoy that aspect. Everyone UMs included help with the common living area since well, it is common and we all use it. And if the dominant in the house works 40 hours a week, why shouldn't you? If you find a job that has hours the same or similar to hers you are there when she is to do her day to day pampering bidding...or whatever she chooses. claps Bravo! Well said. I cannot add to such a perfect response, thank you. And I don't see how anyone could "not" get this, it has been my point all along. I work 40 hours AND still do some housework (the UM's are mine after all- and yes they help too) so I have no problem expecting the same. ~Psy

MaamJay -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 7:39:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: undergroundsea quote: ORIGINAL: HelenaTroy So a woman has to work one and a third times harder to support herself and a man -- as a man does to support himself and a woman. Yes, but a woman has to buy one third the amount of shoes for her man. (Clipped) Cheers, Sea Oh dear sea ... you clearly haven't met My ex-hubby or others of his kind! I own 4 pairs of shoes that I wear regularly, have a few others that I wear occasionally when the occasion allows. My ex had over 50 pairs of lady's shoes ... and then a few pairs of men's shoes that he wore under sufferance to work etc ... he was definitely Imelda Marcos transgendered LOL! In the thread as a whole, I would prefer that all work at least part time, but it depends upon health, skills and the work environment and opportunities as to how viable that is. However, not working as much means pitching in more on the household chores irregardless of D/s status. The only free-loaders in this householder are the furkids! ... and they pay their way with their love. Maam Jay aka violet[A]

MaamJay -> RE: cost of 24-7? (10/3/2007 7:52:35 PM)
I have said it before and I will say it again ... I agree that it is very important to provide for your significant others both if the relationship(s) break up and, perhaps even more importantly, upon your death. Find out what the laws recognise in the area where you live. Fortunately here in Australia, while the Federal Govt chooses to deny the possibility of same sex marriages, the State Govts have all enacted laws that recognise de facto partnerships and same sex relationships as being equivalent to marriage in terms of property settlements etc. It can even recognise more than one of these at a time, and in the face of continuing actual marital relationships. I am boggled that the law could cope with My present situation equitably - I am still married to My ex-hubby (waiting on enough separation time to divorce), Master is one de facto partner of 3 years standing, and should My relationship to My sub girl develop further, she would be a second de facto partner. The law would recognise all and uphold My wishes relating to these 3 relationships. How would it know My wishes? Because I have made a Will and I update it regularly. At present things are new with My girl and she isn't in the Will I updated when I moved here with Master ... should things develop further then it will be time to fork out a couple of hundred dollars and update it again. That's a small price to pay for My peace of mind! (and theirs). Maam Jay aka violet[A]

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