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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Lets not forget how many on the left voted for this war also.

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ORIGINAL: kiyari

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Lets not forget how many on the left voted for this war also.

As I recall,
one could count on the fingers [excluding thumb] of one hand,
and still have fingers 'left over',
the number of those who had the courage to vote AGAINST this

...erm, 'war' was not OFFICIALLY mentioned,

whatchmacallit taxpayer-funded nastiness

[well but, at least it aint in MY backyard]

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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There was no emergency here.bush had all this planned wayyyyyy before the war.The destruction of the Iraqi nation and institutions.The infrastructure and economic system they had, all wiped away,on purpose.There was always a plan to impose our systems and values on them.at the point of a gun.
 
He also was bullshitting Kerry and Clinton.You can`t blame them,for the sins of bush.(though you`ll try).They were working with fabricated evidence and made up intelligence.
 
 
This is all on bush. 

As much as I dislike the G.W. Bush administration; Clinton, Kerry, and Congress were not mislead.  Clinton's own administration had information about WMD programs in Iraq, and they had seriously discussed an invasion.   All of that occurred long before Bush was even considering running for the Presidency.  Clinton is the one responsible for the embargo throughout the 90's which caused thousands and thousands of deaths.  Several foreign intelligence services had suspicions about WMD programs in the works there as well.  I don't fault Bush for ordering the invasion.  I fault him and his advisors for their stubborn refusal to do what needed to be done to secure the country after invasion.  Bush had a opportunity to remove Saddam and leave the country in decent shape.  But because of the arrogance of his advisors, the necessary steps needed to take control were bungled.  The Iraqi Army should have been kept intact for the most part.  The Iraqi police should have been kept intact.  The people running the infrastructure should have been kept in place.  The numerous arms caches around the country should have been secured and guarded. 

 Clinton's own administration had information about WMD programs in Iraq, and they had seriously discussed an invasion. 
 
Can you prove this?

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  Clinton's own administration had information about WMD programs in Iraq, and they had seriously discussed an invasion.  

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

The combined population of NYC, LA & Chicago is 14,724,567
The total population as of 2006 was 26,783,383

The combined murder rates for NY, LA & Chi for 2004 were 1713
The combined coalition deaths for 2004 were 131

I think it's time to give everyone in NY, LA, & Chi an AK47

p.s. You libs really need to stop using that fake ass 500,000 Iraqi civillian deaths number,
the real number is around 70,000... Most of which is secular.

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Actually, I'm waiting with baited breath
to respond to the two basic responses from most mainstream Democrats:
 
"We were misled by the President"
... which basically means they want us to believe
that a bunch of Democrats were lining up to blindly believe a Republican President,
after years of Republicans slamming their last Democratic President.
 
"We voted to give him the authority in order to bolster the sanctions, but not to actually go to war"
... which basically means they want us to somehow believe that they gave the authority,
but never believed that the man would ever use it.
 
I would call both these responses a bunch of horse shit
... but being from Texas, I've smelled a bit of horse shit, and both these excuses smell much worse.

I actually admire John Edwards, who at least admits to having made a huge mistake,
and has actually said publically, that he is sorry for his vote.

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Clinton's own administration had information about WMD programs in Iraq, and they had seriously discussed an invasion. 
 
Can you prove this?

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ORIGINAL: SleepyBeast

You keep saying the population of Iraq is either a few hundred thousand or measured in the 100's of thousands, their population is almost 30 million, not just a few hundred thousand.

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So either Clinton was a liar and was just talking tough for the cameras, or he was a fool that didn't understand the logistics involved in completely disarming a nation the size of California. 

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

The combined population of NYC, LA & Chicago is 14,724,567
The total population as of 2006 was 26,783,383

The combined murder rates for NY, LA & Chi for 2004 were 1713
The combined coalition deaths for 2004 were 131

I think it's time to give everyone in NY, LA, & Chi an AK47

p.s. You libs really need to stop using that fake ass 500,000 Iraqi civillian deaths number,
the real number is around 70,000... Most of which is secular.

I want MY AK47 =)

Honest, I will be a Pure Force for the Betterment of... well, of somethin'

CLUE: 'Official' statistics are, to put it mildly, "massaged" for PR

In other words: they are cowpies of the male gender :P

"secular" ?!?

You talkin' about what we euphamistically refer to as "collateral damage"?

aka ... civilians who got caught in our "sights"?

...or U just meaning... athiests killed???

Whichever... tha numbnuts shoulda known better than to be wherever we were shooting/bombing

Their own dumb faults!

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There is much more going wrong than simply deaths.  The US & world economy is one other problem.  It was Bin Ladin who said that for every dollar he spent the US has spent a million.  As well, you have seiously wounded soilders and civilians.  You have soilders and an entire nation of people with Post Traumatic Stress, as someone who regularly works with people with PTS it will effect their families and their children's families.  As well, you have the environment.  This can't be good for the environment.   

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There is much more going wrong than simply deaths.  The US & world economy is one other problem.  It was Bin Ladin who said that for every dollar he spent the US has spent a million.  As well, you have seiously wounded soilders and civilians.  You have soilders and an entire nation of people with Post Traumatic Stress, as someone who regularly works with people with PTS it will effect their families and their children's families.  As well, you have the environment.  This can't be good for the environment.   

True,the deaths are the hardest and most expensive part of the equation.

The other damage ,is what bin laden has done to our freedoms and our constitutional rights.

Every time bush takes away another freedom.the terrorist win.Every time bush and the neo-cons trample the constitution,and weaken it,the terrorists win.Every time we send a soldier to Iraq,the terrorists win,because Iraq is a quagmire and the real fight is in Pakistan and Afghanistan.Everyday that bin laden breaths,the terrorists win.