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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/4/2007 11:47:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: feastie

The problem with this line of questioning is that it attempts to separate the lifestyle from life.  Everyone must live life, whether they are a "vanilla" couple or a "lifestyle" couple.  Certain elements are common ground, such as jobs, trips to the grocery store, raising UMs, family time, etc.  The difference only lies in how the couple relates to each other.  Whereas a D/s couple might use terms like Master or slave, a "vanilla" couple may have private nicknames they won't use in public, or they just might if they feel daring.

To me, there is no such thing as vanilla life and BDSM life.  There is only life.  If I have a full time relationship with a dominant, my dominant, then my life with him is 24/7.  Who he is to me doesn't change just because we're not currently engaged in some BDSM related activity.  He's still just as much my dominant when we're at a parent-teacher conference as he is when I'm on my knees worshipping his cock.  We're just not going to let the teacher know what our dynamic is.  Doesn't change it, it's still there, but it's not announced either.  Thankfully, the teacher isn't letting us in on her private life either.  That would be more information than we needed to have.


Amen. I completely, wholeheartedly agree.

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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 2:23:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50
To me, a 24/7 M/s dynamic does not literally mean we are Master and slave all the time. But it does mean the M/s dynamic is available 24/7 if I so choose.


Ok...now I'm curious.  If the dynamic is "available" 24/7, doesn't that make you Master and slave all the time?

Master & slave is the overall relationship dynamic, certainly!  And yes, I am Master 24/7 just as I'm hetero 24/7 and male 24/7 - but none are individually relevant 24/7.  IE, it doesn't matter whether I'm male or female; Master or slave; gay or straight or even short or tall when I'm watching a movie or mowing the lawn, for eg.  And exactly what is the point being much mighty uber Dom when I'm at work and she's on the other side of town?
 
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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 5:18:24 AM   
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I've never thought that being a Master had anything to do with " being much mightly uber Dom:.
From my experiences, the couples that are the most successful spend less time contemplating how their day to day interactions may or may not fit into a fairytale version of the D/s dynamic and just live their lives.
Getting too wrapped up in what behavior they "should" be doing seems to come from a place of insecurity. Am i slave enough, Am i Master enough, if I just told him to fuck off does it mean I'm not 24/7, etc.

I do partially subscribe to the sexual orientation theory. Although, I think power dynamics in general should have their own category, after all, they do exist in all relationship paradigms, not just the kinky ones.



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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 5:25:32 AM   
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I haven't found a way to "take a lunch break from being dominant" (Not that I've been trying to, very much).
 
I am what I am. I am who I am and how I interact with my partner stems from that. While I don't go around, thumping my chest, all day long, I have certain ideals about the rules that I choose to set for myself in my life.
 
I always expect someone who says she loves me to talk to and treat me with respect. I always expect her to check with me before making major decisions. I always expect her to tell me when she has wants that I don't know about. I always expect her to include me in her thoughts, hopes, and aspirations.
 
Of course, if we're talking about BDSM aspects as opposed to D/s, I have no opinion but, to my mind the "dynamics" of the relationship are in place twenty four hours a day, seven days per week. This is not some "game I play". This is my life; who and what I am and I don't accept an excuse of "I can't be submissive, all the time."
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 7:07:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Satyr6406

I haven't found a way to "take a lunch break from being dominant" (Not that I've been trying to, very much).
 


I guess the best way to say that you aren't actively exercising your dominance is in terms of ice cream (something we frequently disagree on here). If I go to the store and I'm buying ice cream, I pick what I want unless he specifically tells me differently. If he goes with me, I can sometimes pick it and other times he will say "No, not strawberry, get a chocolate something". If I buy mocha chip or black cherry then he isn't actively taking the lead right then. He's letting me make the decision, and sometimes I get to make the decision simply because he doesn't notice that ice cream is on the list.

He could write down chocolate next to ice cream on the list and he has the right to tell me chocolate every week, but he doesn't. He only makes the decision when he's in an ice cream mood. The rest of the time he doesn't bother to actively exercise his right to pick the flavor of the week.

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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 7:20:00 AM   
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We have kind of an odd dynamic.
i'm one of those people that's pretty much a sub all the time. i'm not a leader, i hate inconveniencing people, i cede authority to other people with very little hesitation, and i have a hard time making decisions.
The issue is that my wife and i both HATE making decisions.
So a lot of things- what to have for dinner, what to do on the weekend, etc.- end up being a cycle of "I don't know, what do you want to do?"... Which often as not ends when i get irritated and pick something at random, or we end up doing nothing at all (yes, we've ended up missing meals because of this, not that you'd know it to look at me!)
As long as she tells me what to do, things usually work out just fine. And the more direct the instructions, the better.
Almost everything else turns into a mess.
So i'll take some of that 24/7 stuff
(And yes, she's tried telling me to make a decision... then my brain usually goes into a fatal loop error, kinda like tying a jingly toy to a cat's tail)

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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 8:19:32 AM   
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When my slave and I were not 24/7 which was most of the time we've been together, we were pretty much vanilla when we weren't maintaining the D/s dynamic.  We both had an equal say in everything.  The transitions bask and forth were sometimes very easy and other times not.  Much like initiating vanilla sex.  If both people are horny, it is easy.  If one person is not, you get "not tonight" or "not now".  It really didn't feel that odd to switch back and forth but it did create some undesired side effects.  There were a number of times when one of us would attempt to transition and it would create a fair amount of confusion for the other.  Our attempts to transition from vanilla to kink were never overt (probably part of the problem) and frequently one of us would be in kinky mode while the other was still in vanilla mode.  I'm sure you can see the kinds of problems that can create.  When we decided to transition to 24/7, I think both of us were relieved that the uncertainty would finally be over, happy that we would both be getting more of what we wanted, and a bit apprehensive about the challenges 24/7 would present.  24/7 is certainly more work and is more difficult at times, but provides more of the things that we want than non-24/7 ever did.

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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 9:06:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: petdave

We have kind of an odd dynamic.
i'm one of those people that's pretty much a sub all the time. i'm not a leader, i hate inconveniencing people, i cede authority to other people with very little hesitation, and i have a hard time making decisions.
The issue is that my wife and i both HATE making decisions.
So a lot of things- what to have for dinner, what to do on the weekend, etc.- end up being a cycle of "I don't know, what do you want to do?"... Which often as not ends when i get irritated and pick something at random, or we end up doing nothing at all (yes, we've ended up missing meals because of this, not that you'd know it to look at me!)
As long as she tells me what to do, things usually work out just fine. And the more direct the instructions, the better.
Almost everything else turns into a mess.
So i'll take some of that 24/7 stuff
(And yes, she's tried telling me to make a decision... then my brain usually goes into a fatal loop error, kinda like tying a jingly toy to a cat's tail)



I dunno, my husband and I are like this. There are certain things I want to control and certain things I prefer to delegate - I'm not a detail oriented person. I like newness, so being told "we're going here tonight" when I get in the car is tres cool by me, as long as it's someplace I like and the person knows me well enough to make that happen. Some decisions are a form of service to me, "where do you want to eat" is a great example of that.


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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 3:31:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50

To me, a 24/7 M/s dynamic does not literally mean we are Master and slave all the time.  But it does mean the M/s dynamic is available 24/7 if I so choose.
 
Owning my girl is owning *all* she is and I equally enjoy sharing as mutual adults, friends and confidantes, too!  But anytime I'm in the mood to dominate, it's my right as owner and her place to accede to my demands.  Or if I consider she's being a tad disrespectful etc while we're sharing as equal adults, I'll choose when and how to rein her in.
 
A 24/7 dynamic is always available, it's just not always required.  Nor is it always possible, esp when we're separated or asleep or whatever else goes on in everyday life.
 
Focus.


Huzzah, Focus.  It is very definitely possible to have an outwardly "normal" life with the underlying, connecting thread of M/s all the time.  I picture it as a couple going out for the evening, dressed to the nines, her very ladylike on his arm...and no one can see that she is not wearing panties, has nipple clamps on, or the welts on her ass.  But they know ;)

It's all in the mindset of the couple, I think.  They can be "there" or "not there" at any given time in any situation.

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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 6:46:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy

I dunno, my husband and I are like this. There are certain things I want to control and certain things I prefer to delegate - I'm not a detail oriented person. I like newness, so being told "we're going here tonight" when I get in the car is tres cool by me, as long as it's someplace I like and the person knows me well enough to make that happen. Some decisions are a form of service to me, "where do you want to eat" is a great example of that.




Oh, i know, a good sub would always have a menu of fresh, exciting ideas ready to prepare for her pleasure, and always pick just the right one to go with her mood, and it goes without saying have the confidence to implement the plan without bothering her for input... But i'm also pretty confident that there is many a grown man who would go stark, raving bugshit and start throwing furniture if faced with some of the conversations i've had. So long as i can convince myself i'm somewhere in the "happy medium", i can live with it

The dinner thing was just supposed to be one of those everyday-examples-that-anyone-can-relate-to things, tho... i guess my point was more that almost nothing gets decided without my input, often my sole input, and since i spend a lot of energy building myself up to try to do that, it can be very jarring when she does decide to "pull rank"... Kind of like getting called on the phone while you're at work and being expected to immediately fall into subspace with a couple of words.


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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 7:36:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
For the record, we considered ourselves 24/7 because at no time did we stop being master and slave, we simply did not reveal it to others in inappropriate situations.


I do not think I could have said it better Myself so I will simply quote the best answer IMNSHO

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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/5/2007 9:43:32 PM   
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I am what I am, no matter where I am, and no matter who I'm with.  Manners, law, eithics, necessity, and expediancy simply dictate the HOW of the expression of the AM.
 
Likewise, he is what and who he is, always.  The W/we of us is not dependent upon proximity or words.  For lack of better terminology, we sometimes speak of "nilla mode" or "D/s mode".  We shift between the two constantly, and without thought.  It isn't that we are "nilla", so much, as it is that we are ourselves, living in a nilla world, with the D/s, the M/s always there.  It doesn't matter that we are many miles apart most of the time.  It doesn't matter whether anyone else sees it or not...it is.  Certainly, if someone knows us well, and looks closely, it is evident.  W/we are equals, with idividual personalities and needs which naturally create our roles, and mesh into what has become U/us.
 
Every Dominant that I've known well has eventually confided that while they are always a dominant, they do not always want to actively dominate.  This is not to say they wish to be Dommed themselves, or that they turn nilla, so much as it says, "Because I'm the Dominant here, I can choose when to actively direct, and when to more passively expect my partner to do what is needed and expected without me standing there with cane in hand, or giving detailed instructions."
 
W/we draw our perameters for behavior in different places from many others, but they are still there.  The collar is not always around my neck, but is always around my heart and mind, which is by far the more important, IMNSHO.  When he holds my wrist in public, rather than my hand, it is no less a leash than one attached to a collar.  When he looks at me across a room full of people and I see in his eyes that I'm HIS, has no less effect, no less impact, and no less value because it is a nilla gathering.  The fact that I'm given far more leeway in day to day life than many submissives doesn't change the mental and emotional dynamic of submission.
 
Nuance can be a very strong, complex, dynamic thing.
 
Each relationship must find its own boundaries, based on the WHO of each AM.  Problems abound if the WHO of our existance becomes predicated upon the moment to moment constraints of daily life.  The WHO defines and underscores everything else, permating the choices of path we make and how we walk them.  If one's identity becomes defined by every little whim of life and social constraint, one may find themselves in a constant identity crisis.
 
I am what I am.  I'm a submissive.  More importantly, I'm HIS.  When that is in order, all the rest takes care of itself.
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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/6/2007 3:32:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: curvyslavegirl

I've never thought that being a Master had anything to do with " being much mightly uber Dom:.

"much mightly uber Dom" = tongue in cheek sarcasm in the context you've taken it from.

quote:

From my experiences, the couples that are the most successful spend less time contemplating how their day to day interactions may or may not fit into a fairytale version of the D/s dynamic and just live their lives.
Getting too wrapped up in what behavior they "should" be doing seems to come from a place of insecurity. Am i slave enough, Am i Master enough, if I just told him to fuck off does it mean I'm not 24/7, etc.

Yikes, you concluded all this from my post???

quote:

I do partially subscribe to the sexual orientation theory. Although, I think power dynamics in general should have their own category, after all, they do exist in all relationship paradigms, not just the kinky ones.

I've yet to see a vanilla relationship that's truly egalitarian - one usually defers to the other on decisions etc, at least to some degree.  "Ask your mother" was something I often heard when growing up....  Nothing so formal as Dominant and submissive roles; usually more a matter of expedience to get things done or keep the peace.
 
Focus.

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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/6/2007 3:41:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: amelliagrace

I am what I am, no matter where I am, and no matter who I'm with.  Manners, law, eithics, necessity, and expediancy simply dictate the HOW of the expression of the AM.
 
Likewise, he is what and who he is, always.  The W/we of us is not dependent upon proximity or words.  For lack of better terminology, we sometimes speak of "nilla mode" or "D/s mode".  We shift between the two constantly, and without thought.  It isn't that we are "nilla", so much, as it is that we are ourselves, living in a nilla world, with the D/s, the M/s always there.  It doesn't matter that we are many miles apart most of the time.  It doesn't matter whether anyone else sees it or not...it is.  Certainly, if someone knows us well, and looks closely, it is evident.  W/we are equals, with idividual personalities and needs which naturally create our roles, and mesh into what has become U/us.
 
Every Dominant that I've known well has eventually confided that while they are always a dominant, they do not always want to actively dominate.  This is not to say they wish to be Dommed themselves, or that they turn nilla, so much as it says, "Because I'm the Dominant here, I can choose when to actively direct, and when to more passively expect my partner to do what is needed and expected without me standing there with cane in hand, or giving detailed instructions."
 
W/we draw our perameters for behavior in different places from many others, but they are still there.  The collar is not always around my neck, but is always around my heart and mind, which is by far the more important, IMNSHO.  When he holds my wrist in public, rather than my hand, it is no less a leash than one attached to a collar.  When he looks at me across a room full of people and I see in his eyes that I'm HIS, has no less effect, no less impact, and no less value because it is a nilla gathering.  The fact that I'm given far more leeway in day to day life than many submissives doesn't change the mental and emotional dynamic of submission.
 
Nuance can be a very strong, complex, dynamic thing.
 
Each relationship must find its own boundaries, based on the WHO of each AM.  Problems abound if the WHO of our existance becomes predicated upon the moment to moment constraints of daily life.  The WHO defines and underscores everything else, permating the choices of path we make and how we walk them.  If one's identity becomes defined by every little whim of life and social constraint, one may find themselves in a constant identity crisis.
 
I am what I am.  I'm a submissive.  More importantly, I'm HIS.  When that is in order, all the rest takes care of itself.
-grace

You should've posted earlier - so that all I need post was "what she said"....  Very nice!
 
Focus.

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RE: While Outside the Dynamic - 9/6/2007 11:04:36 AM   
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Thank you.
Good communication requires the use of words, definitions, descriptions.  The problem with those words, definitions, and descriptions is that in and off themselves they aren't completely adequate.  They become a double edged sword.  Too literal and rigid vs. too sublte or having too wide a range of meaning.  No wonder so many hearts have been broken, relationships ended, wars started, and lives lost over nothing more than failed communication.
 
Here we are, a bunch of kinky people on a msg board.  We have such diversity, coupled with commonality.  Where does that leave us?  Trying to find the words to communicate thngs that don't neatly fit text book description, or dictionary definition.
 
Never boring, is it?
 
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