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SubOscar -> Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 1:38:23 PM)

Are MasterDoms who use their bdsm skills and services for sex "prostitutes?" Do they prostitute their servicetop skills out for sex?

Like MistressDommes who prostitute their servicetop skills out for payment?



stef -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 1:47:18 PM)

Is your plumber a prostitute?  Is your doctor?

If you're not buying sex, it's not prostitution.

~stef



SubOscar -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 1:50:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stef

Is your plumber a prostitute?  Is your doctor?

If you're not buying sex, it's not prostitution.

~stef



so prodoms are not prostitutes??????



SubOscar -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 1:52:10 PM)

stick to the topic oscar. geez. are masterdoms protitiuting their bdsm skills out for sex?



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 2:03:48 PM)

There are many doms and masters who exchange kinky play for sex and many subs who exchange sex for kinky play.  I wouldn't call it prostitution.



SubOscar -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 2:06:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

There are many doms and masters who exchange kinky play for sex and many subs who exchange sex for kinky play.  I wouldn't call it prostitution.


Then its only prostitution when the top service skills are used for cash not sex? The saying that corporate america employees prositute themselves out to the jobs for money is not completely true than?



ownedgirlie -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 2:06:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SubOscar

stick to the topic oscar. geez. are masterdoms protitiuting their bdsm skills out for sex?


If Master did this, he would be serving me, and therefore not my Master.  No, Master uses me for his pleasure.  Sometimes that pleasure includes sex, but what he enjoys most is my submission.  In turn, I need to submit, and I am thankfor to him that he has chosen me to be his slave.



abda -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 2:09:29 PM)

I would call  it a DWB..Dom/me with Benefits or MWB....Master/Mistress with Benefits

*I couldn't resist that one 



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 2:11:58 PM)

Prostitution is the name of a profession.  It is the profession of offering sexual activities in exchange for money, although other things may be exchanged as well.

Law is the name of a profession as well. 

You are talking about professional dominance.  A professional dom CAN ALSO BE a prostitute, just as a lawyer can also be a prostitute.  But they are not the same profession.



SubOscar -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 9:53:29 PM)

As a verb and not a "noun named profession" .
If one compromises one self by doing something for no other reason but for the sake of personal gain is that not whoring one self out?  If a submissive indiscriminatorily submits to any mistressdomme just to get some action, is he whoring himself out, similar to a MasterDom who servicetops any old femsubmissive just to get laid?  Is he whoring himself and his service and skills out for some sex?



CuriousLord -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 10:57:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SubOscar

Are MasterDoms who use their bdsm skills and services for sex "prostitutes?" Do they prostitute their servicetop skills out for sex?

Like MistressDommes who prostitute their servicetop skills out for payment?


This has been a sensitive subject as of late.  The typical conclusion, though not fully embraced by all, is along the lines of:  "Yes, they are prostitutes as BDSM is typically a sexual act.  However, those that practice BDSM with no sexual overtones may qualify as exceptions."

It is important to remember that many members of this community participate in this behavior and do not always take to the term "prostitute" warmly.  Some have argued that the addition of the finicial aspect to a BDSM scene is little more than adding a kink.  (Which is sort of like saying that going to a NYC hooker isn't prostitution if you think it's hot to be paying a NYC hooker for your jollies.)

Anyhow, so, my view is, yes, it's either prostitution or a scam most of the time.  If a man gets whipped and doesn't get hard, or a woman gets whipped and doesn't get wet, and no orgasms are involved, well, then you may have an exception.  How often is this the case, though?



Perplex -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/4/2007 11:09:31 PM)

I think I get what you're trying to get at Oscar, pass the easy interpretation of the word prositution.  The question remains fair though that Stef asked, are plumbers who are putting their skills on the line everyday prosituting themselves, they are using unique skills for money, a doctor the same way, etc.

With the arts its easy to know when you are whoring yourself out, if you do a project which displeases you but you do it for the cash anyway.   So to answer your question I suspect you ahve to look at things like that, if a dom sells thier abilities for cash and is ashamed of the fact they did it, then it's whoring, if not then its just fun profit. 

and on another level do you consider 'topping' a craft or an artistic skill, a sculptor happily making pots for something they are ashamed* of working for is not prosituting themselves they are just applying thier craft skills, but an actor workign for soemthing they are ashamed of working for is prostituting his art for the money.

*shame is one of those trigger words, so lets define it in its broadest cultural sense as possible.



EternalInferno -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/5/2007 1:32:49 AM)

You are asking a question.

But the question I come up with is... What's your point, motivation or agenda?  What are YOU trying to get at?



ocilla -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/5/2007 6:54:01 AM)

Perplex is getting down to the crux of the issue.  Using prostitute as a verb is meant specifically to be derogatory or judgemental.   - And from a different angle - Just because someone does not like or get off on all aspects of their job does not automatically make them a lesser person for doing it in order to get a need meet. And if you really want to go one deeper you get into the whole notion of cash versus barter versus subsistence economies....we tend to have a very narrow veiw of value and money.

Ultimately, using a term like whore, hooker or prostitute is about being judgmental.
Which leads to the last post asking "so what is your point or agenda in asking this q?", what is your motivation?
Sorta feels like you are gathering fodder to make an argument or justify an action in casting judgement on others. You are intitled to your judgements but...if that is the motivation behind the q. you should perhaps cop to that.

Years ago I had the oportunity of meeting Marilyn French a proud prostitute and the founder of COYOTE, (call off your old tired ethics), the hooker's union.  Her exhusband and my then husband were friends and we got to learn the issues from her perspective which was a reall eye opener for me.  Your question assumes a negative judgement about prostitution.  I will cop to still finding the term charged and being a little conflicted.  But there's some depths to plumb in the whole notion of prostitution in general.



Celeste43 -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/5/2007 6:59:35 AM)

If you gave a massage therapist money for pounding out knots in muscles, would that mean the massage therapist is a prostitute? So what's the difference between pounding on muscles with hands because they are sore or with a paddle or other implement because the buyer enjoys it.

The only pro doms I've heard of are gay. And in those type of escort services, sex usually is part of the deal. So they are prostitutes because they are taking cash for sex.

However a top you know who isn't interested in topping you unless he's getting laid, no cash exchanged so no, not prostitution. You're getting something you want from the exchange, so does he. If you don't like to give what he wants, keep searching.



RRafe -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/5/2007 7:21:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubOscar

Are MasterDoms who use their bdsm skills and services for sex "prostitutes?" Do they prostitute their servicetop skills out for sex?

Like MistressDommes who prostitute their servicetop skills out for payment?


In legal definitions-only if they fuck or suck you. Most Pros are smart enough not to. Why do you ask-are you poor?



domiguy -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/5/2007 7:28:20 AM)

I believe it would fall down simply if the pro is performing a sexual act for pay...Which might range in definition from state to state...If you pay a pro to fuck you in the ass with a zucchini I would say it would be safe to assume that it would probably qualify as a sexual act. Therefore she would be commiting an act of prostitution and could probably have some problems if she ran into "officer friendly."



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/5/2007 7:34:34 AM)

If any sexual service that results in a benefit is prostitution, then damn near every woman (and men too) who married well is a whore.  For that matter, anyone who engages in a sexual act, and benefits from it would be a whore.  I don't get the point of even going down that line of thinking.  Its not like the police are setting up sting operations to arrest gold-diggers in action or indicting men who give their women diamonds after a weekend of amazing sex.



domiguy -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/5/2007 7:46:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

If any sexual service that results in a benefit is prostitution, then damn near every woman (and men too) who married well is a whore.  For that matter, anyone who engages in a sexual act, and benefits from it would be a whore.  I don't get the point of even going down that line of thinking.  Its not like the police are setting up sting operations to arrest gold-diggers in action or indicting men who give their women diamonds after a weekend of amazing sex.


The difference is that I approach the gold digger up front and say "Here are some diamonds now do this and this and this."  But I imagine that you knew that already.



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Top servicing: for the money or for the sex (is it prostitution?) (9/5/2007 7:58:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

If any sexual service that results in a benefit is prostitution, then damn near every woman (and men too) who married well is a whore.  For that matter, anyone who engages in a sexual act, and benefits from it would be a whore.  I don't get the point of even going down that line of thinking.  Its not like the police are setting up sting operations to arrest gold-diggers in action or indicting men who give their women diamonds after a weekend of amazing sex.


The difference is that I approach the gold digger up front and say "Here are some diamonds now do this and this and this."  But I imagine that you knew that already.


Yes, dar'lin.  And might I say, thank you for the good times and the great gems. [sm=shake.gif]



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