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daily pain, pain play and endorphins - 9/5/2007 2:09:30 AM

chellekitty

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in the not hijacking another thread spirit.......

it has been a recent development to me that living with pain on a day to day basis is not "normal"...what i mean is what i consider an all-systems-good, is what most people consider a 3 or 4 on a pain scale of 1 to 10...heck i have to be at 7 to take a tylenol or advil and a 10 to consider taking anything stronger...it doesn't even cross my mind...the only times i have ever gone to the doctor for pain is when its associated with something else...high fever or coughing or i fell down and i am pretty sure i broke/sprained something or something like that (heck i have an ankle thats been dislocating for 13 years and i just pop it back into place and keep going...that freaks even doctors out...had a foot doc appt for therapy for a chipped bone when it popped out one morning and he tried to take care of it, and was very concerned when i told him how i deal with it and how long its been happening...it was sweet)...or its lasted a really long time...they look at me really weird when i go...oh its been at a 10 for 2 weeks...and when i did once get a shot for pain and it helped all the pain...it freaked me out...i kept poking my leg to make sure it wasn't numb and i was safe to drive...but i don't talk about it...its normal for me...talking about my pain is the equivallent of talking about the weather...the only time i mention it is when its unusual...so...if i ever mention i am in pain, its pretty damned serious pain and i get pissed off, and i think rightfully so, when someone says, suck it up, it can't be that bad...let me tell you about my pain...

in reference to the other thread (http://www.collarchat.com/m_1251117/tm.htm ) i deal with pain on a regular basis, i don't need more, and other likes me said, i deal with pain on a regular basis, i still like it...for me it comes down to consent...the pain i deal with on a regular basis, i don't choose to have...the pain i get from play, i choose to get...i also play in a manner that allows me to choose to stop it if it gets to be too much...consent! and i like petdave's definition in another thread...my pain tolerance...how much i can withstand...bounces all over the place, from day to day, week to week, month to month, and so on, depending on who i am playing with, how long its been since i have played, the frequency and a number of other factors...the threshold at which sensation becomes pain changes very little...

personally there is another factor...i have trained myself to recognize the release of endorphins...through pain play and exercise and body modification...so, assuming that i do not go into subspace, which is not just the release of endorphins, but can be triggered by it, i have learned to be careful about what happens after that release of endorphins because, not getting into the chemical make up, of how they work, my threshold is boosted and i no longer interpret pain "properly" and the possibility for unitentional harm is there because it doesn't feel painful

and to bring it in a full circle...something i have discussed with a friend of mine who has daily pain, but it is a recent development (within the past few years, after a blown spinal tap...it was her or her children, she chose herself)...is that it has become harder and harder for her to reach that point of "theraputic" or effective endorphin release...and now getting just a little bit into the chemical make up...endorphins is short for endogenous morphine...and to endogenous morphine like any other opioid, we can build up a tolerance...(this is my lay-man's understanding, if someone knows better than i do, please feel free to correct me with references so that i may better educate myself)...so...to get that desired ooo ahh release from just pain that some of us do...after a while you have to go longer or more extreme or something...

and i have to be awake in 4 hours to go the doctor (i'm gonna need that anti-vampire kit i think) so i am gonna try and take my happy ass to bed...if i have any more profound ponderings, i'll let ya'll know...no questions...just pondering..
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RE: daily pain, pain play and endorphins - 9/5/2007 4:05:49 AM

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post play endorphins DO help a great deal with pain. i run at a daily level of probably a 5 with taking OTC stuff. that plus a couple of benadryl means i can sleep longer than 4 hours. last night i got 3.

i dont get to play as often as i really need, mostly because of household schedules (Sir is long distance) and those pesky short non adults who have long summers. *grins*

unfortunately for me, that means that cutting incidents go up. and as i'm trying to care for his property...yeah. trouble indeed.

one of these days we'll be able to afford a doctor again......

kitten, who has been up since 2 am....

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RE: daily pain, pain play and endorphins - 9/5/2007 7:08:38 AM

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Not everyone is a masochist. Not everyone is a masochist in the traditional sense of the word. And there are more "happy chemicals" in the body you can get going than just endorphins, or through physical pain.

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RE: daily pain, pain play and endorphins - 9/5/2007 7:19:59 AM

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Endorphins are also a natural opiate-and like opium-one can develop a tolerance for them that makes you need more to get the same effect.

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RE: daily pain, pain play and endorphins - 9/5/2007 3:42:34 PM

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chellekitty, are you my long-lost twin or something? I agree that being in chronic pain, the not-feel-good kind, can raise our level of pain tolerance for the feel-good kind. And can raise our level of need for the endorphins until it becomes like an addiction. Why can't endogenous morphine, naturally released by the body, be just as addictive as the medical morphine derivatives we are prescribed? As a self-proclaimed pain slut, I love the bdsm pain for it's own sake. I am not a (oh god here we go again) true masochist because I don't like causing myself pain just for the pain's sake. But my level of pain tolerance is through the roof. Just because I hiked over 4 miles on a broken ankle trying to get back to my car to drive myself to the hospital doesn't mean I enjoyed it! But I did it without tears or fainting. And you're right...Tylenol, Demerol, Codeine - none of it works. Gotta have the morphs! During play, I've found that the more often I indulge, the more often I get the endorphin high but the more thud it takes to get there. Is there a possibility of building up a resistance to it? Like taking too many antibiotics? Hmmm.

And now I'm rambling so I'll shut up for tonight. ;)

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RE: daily pain, pain play and endorphins - 9/5/2007 4:11:24 PM

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What I call 'outside pain' can really lower the general pain level I'm in. It is the best thing I've found for actually blocking out bad pain, that great endorphin rush. Like some here I live at 7-8 on a daily basis. I don't like pain otherwise, no masochism here whatsoever

unless it is good 'outside pain' which almost pulls my focus in another direction.

My pain tolerance jumps all over the place. Some days banging an elbow can be excruciating but slicing a finger open while chopping goes unnoticed except for the blood lol. I've learned the hard way that when it is a really bad inner pain level that nothing breaks the focus & outside pain makes it worse.

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RE: daily pain, pain play and endorphins - 9/6/2007 3:45:33 AM

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While I do not bottom, do not consent to any type of pain and am not a masochist, I am in pain 24/7/365 and have been since May 21st 2000. I've actually spent the past five weeks in bed due to the barometric pressure rising and falling and making things swell to the point where walking is an 8 on the pain scale. (For those of you blessed enough to have no clue what the pain scale is, it is a pain measuring tool used by Drs. http://www.nccn.org/patients/patient_gls/_english/_pain/2_assessment.asp On this scale, 1 is a mild headache and 10 is the worst pain you can imagine.. aka passing out from pain.) Part of my dealing with my pain is exploring the aspects of it in BDSM. I'm a sadist and have been one since I was very young; but only after my injury started exploring giving pain to others.

Every medication I've tried has lost potency over time. It is the nature of the beast; we build up tolerances. When I realized that I was having to take the next dose of morphine not because of the pain, but because the last dose was running out, I went back to lower level narcotics. I'm more afraid of addiction than pain. At lower pain levels, 4 or below (- which to me is the equivalent pain of a broken toe) I find that endorphins from sex or Domming work very well in conjunction with my 2 Norco. (Norco = hydrocodone/apap 10/325) Every so often, I have to take less medication and spend a bit of time in increased pain so my body "resets" and responds to the pain medication again. It stands to reason for me that your friend no longer getting relief from her normal level of endorphins is a logical progression. I'm not sure what the solution is, since the pain is going to trigger endorphin release with or without her consent. She can't spend time weaning her body from it.

I will say that endorphins are responsible for the only 30 mins I've spent out of pain in the past 7 years. One night, just before 4AM there was a huge crashing noise outside. I was out of bed and moving before I even had time to consciously register that the noise was a car accident. I got out there to a car on its side, smoking, in the middle of the street. I was the first one out there and the person in the car was screaming for help. I literally pulled her from the car, moved her to a safe distance and sat with her till the police arrived. At that point, I took my shorty nightgown clad self (green with lil purple, red and yellow dinosaurs playing football on it.. how embarrassing!) back inside. Once inside and sitting down, I realized I didn't hurt! Not at all. I spent the next 15 mins walking around the house just because I could without pain. Of course I sat down and cried when the pain came back. I don't know how to get that level of endorphins into your system without causing what your body feels is a serious threat. Non erotic pain is supposed to serve a purpose. It stops us for doing further damage to ourselves. As you mention, you have to be careful when under a large endorphin load to not damage yourself.

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RE: daily pain, pain play and endorphins - 9/6/2007 6:54:12 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: camille65

My pain tolerance jumps all over the place. Some days banging an elbow can be excruciating but slicing a finger open while chopping goes unnoticed except for the blood lol. I've learned the hard way that when it is a really bad inner pain level that nothing breaks the focus & outside pain makes it worse.

yes...blood in the food, not of the animal i am cooking is a bad thing...and that i use really sharp knives doesn't help...

and yep...once you hit that wall...no endorphin is gonna make it better, just everyone back the fuck off...

want to write more but i really have to go to school and i am still in not appropriate for school clothes...so will do so later...

toodles
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RE: daily pain, pain play and endorphins - 9/6/2007 3:41:44 PM

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I'm not a massochist, I am a sadist. Pain makes me mad or tired, and I live with it daily, like most of the other posters. I used to be a blacksmith, something that I absolutely loved, but had to quit because I have degenerative arthritis. Most people are lucky, and have never experianced level 10 pain, I have. Everyone feels and reacts differently to pain, I am no exception. For me, pain tolerance is weird, I can stand to work for hours on a bad pain day, but bump an ingrown toenail, and I'm useless. For those who live with constant pain, my heart goes out to you, for those who live with constant pain and also like to be beaten, like my wife, you have my undying respect.
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